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Time for Stoic Brits to Come Out Swinging (Mark Steyn Absolute MUST-READ!!!)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 7/10/2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/10/2005 2:48:10 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

One way of measuring any terrorist attack is to look at whether the killers accomplished everything they set out to. On Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaida set out to hijack four planes and succeeded in seizing every one. Had the killers attempted to take another 30 jets between 7:30 and 9 that morning, who can doubt that they'd have maintained their pristine 100 percent success rate? Throughout the IRA's long war against the British Crown, two generations of politicians pointed out that there would always be the odd ''crack in the system'' through which the determined terrorist would slip. But on 9/11 the failure of the system was total.

Thursday, al-Qaida hit three London Underground trains and one bus. Had they broadened their attentions from the Central Zone, had they attempted to blow up 30 trains across the furthest reaches of the Tube map, from Uxbridge to Upminster, who can doubt that they too would have been successful? In other words, the scale of the carnage was constrained only by the murderers' ambition and their manpower.

The difference is that 9/11 hit out of the blue -- literally and politically; 7/7 came after four years of Her Majesty's government prioritizing terrorism and ''security'' above all else -- and the failure rate was still 100 percent. After the Madrid bombing, I was struck by a spate of "comic" security breaches in London: two Greenpeace guys shin up St. Stephen's Tower at the Palace of Westminster, a Daily Mirror reporter bluffs his way into a servant's gig at Buckingham Palace a week before Bush comes to stay; an Osama lookalike gatecrashes Prince William's birthday party. As I wrote last March: "History repeats itself: farce, farce, farce, but sooner or later tragedy is bound to kick in. The inability of the state to secure even the three highest-profile targets in the realm -- the queen, her heir, her Parliament -- should remind us that a defensive war against terrorism will ensure terrorism.''

To three high-profile farces, we now have that high-profile tragedy, of impressive timing. The jihad, via one of its wholly owned but independently operated subsidiaries, scheduled an atrocity for the start of the G-8 summit and managed to pull it off -- at a time when the ports and airports and internal security of a small island were all supposed to be on heightened alert. That's quite a feat. The only good news is that the bombs were, by the standards of what's out there, small. One day they won't be.

Of course, many resources had been redeployed to Scotland to cope with elderly rocker Sir Bob Geldof's pathetic call for a million anti-globalist ninnies to descend on the G-8 summit and tie up the police with their pitiful narcissist preening: the papier-mache Bush and Blair puppets, the ersatz ethnic drumming, etc.

The choice for Britons now is whether they wish to be Australians post-Bali or Spaniards post-Madrid. That shouldn't be a tough call. But it's easy to stand before a news camera and sonorously declare that "the British people will never surrender to terrorism.'' In reality, unless it's clear a threat is primal, most democratic peoples and their political leaders prefer to regard bad news as a peripheral nuisance which can be negotiated away to the fringe of their concerns.

That's what Britain thought in the 1930s -- back when Hitler was slavering over Czechoslovakia, and Neville Chamberlain dismissed it as "a faraway country of which we know little." Today, the faraway country of which the British know little is Britain itself. Traditional terrorists -- the IRA, the Basque separatists -- operate close to home. Islamism projects itself long-range to any point of the planet with an ease most G-8 militaries can't manage. Small cells operate in the nooks and crannies of a free society while the political class seems all but unaware of their existence.

Did we learn enough, for example, from the case of Omar Sheikh? He's the fellow convicted of the kidnapping and beheading in Karachi, Pakistan, of the Wall Street Journal's Daniel Pearl. He's usually described as "Pakistani" but he is, in fact, a citizen of the United Kingdom, with as English a resume as you can get: born in Whips Cross Hospital, educated at Nightingale Primary School in Wanstead, the Forest School in Snaresbrook and the London School of Economics. He travels on a British passport.

Or take Abdel Karim al-Tuhami al-Majati, a senior al-Qaida member from Morocco killed by Saudi security forces in al Ras last April. One of al-Majati's wives is a Belgian citizen currently residing in Britain. In Pakistan, the jihadists speak openly of London as the terrorist bridgehead to Europe. Given the British jihadists who've been discovered in the thick of it in Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Israel, Chechnya and Bosnia, only a fool would believe they had no plans for anything closer to home -- or, rather, "home."

Most Britons can only speculate at the degree of Islamist penetration in the United Kingdom because they simply don't know, and multicultural pieties require that they keep themselves in the dark. It's not just the British left that's been skeptical of Washington's war on terror. Former Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd and many other Conservative grandees have been openly scornful of the Bush doctrine. Lord Hurd would no doubt have preferred a policy of urbane aloofness, such as he promoted vis-a-vis the Balkans in the early '90s. He's probably still unaware that Omar Sheikh was a Westernized non-observant chess-playing pop-listening beer-drinking English student until he was radicalized by the massacres of Bosnian Muslims.

Abdel Karim al-Tuhami al-Majati was another Europeanized Muslim radicalized by the 250,000 corpses of Bosnia. The fact that most of us were unaware of the consequences of EU lethargy on Bosnia until that chicken policy came home to roost a decade later should be sobering: It was what Donald Rumsfeld, in a remark mocked by many snide media twerps, accurately characterized as an "unknown unknown": a vital factor so successfully immersed you don't even know you don't know it.

This is the beginning of a long existential struggle. It's hard not to be moved by the sight of Londoners calmly going about their business as usual in the face of terrorism. But, if the political class goes about business as usual, that's not a stiff upper lip but a suicide cult. The question now is will the British return to the fantasy agenda of Bob Geldof or avenge their dead?


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1 posted on 07/10/2005 2:48:11 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

UK has made their country a launching pad for all terrorists. It is time for the people of the UK to tell their government that the Political Correctness is going to kill them all. It is pure foolishness.


2 posted on 07/10/2005 3:01:33 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This article is Steyn at his best. He cuts right to the heart of the matter. This should be required reading for everybody at FreeRepublic.
3 posted on 07/10/2005 3:07:12 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I like how he weaved in the Live 8 garbage.


4 posted on 07/10/2005 3:09:04 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This is the beginning of a long existential struggle. It's hard not to be moved by the sight of Londoners calmly going about their business as usual in the face of terrorism. But, if the political class goes about business as usual, that's not a stiff upper lip but a suicide cult. The question now is will the British return to the fantasy agenda of Bob Geldof or avenge their dead?

Steyn on target, as per usual.

5 posted on 07/10/2005 3:24:58 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: tessalu
It is time for the people of the UK to tell their government that the Political Correctness is going to kill them all.

Hitchens has a better take on this. He says there's nobody to negotiate with or even surrender to to stop this crap. The only thing that would stop the terrorists is for the West to become Wahhabi, which is obviously just not going to happen.

So, in the long run, the terrorists will destroy themselves by eventually convincing even the most insane leftists, even the French and Spanish, that there is no alternative but to destroy the terrorists. The sad thing is that this point will probably not be reached until after a nuke goes off in DC, London or Paris.

I'm sure the ankle-biters would love to atone for the sins of our culture by surrendering, but they can't.

6 posted on 07/10/2005 3:25:46 AM PDT by Restorer (Liberalism: the auto-immune disease of societies.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Great article. Reversing the trend, i.e. getting these troublesome groups to go back to the Middle East, is going to be a whole lot more painful than letting them in was. The British government took the path of least resistance, and now they're paying for it.

How many of these are illegals? If they are, could that be used as a reason to ship large groups of people back out? Are many of them on the public dole? I have a hard time believing that most of these people are productive, hard-working British citizens.

I have to wonder if the U.S. will actually make note and learn from the British plight, and try to ensure that we severely limit and monitor immigration, legal and illegal, from the Middle East.


7 posted on 07/10/2005 3:27:21 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Dick Durbin is like a cow pie, but lacks the same level of intellect.)
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To: tessalu
It is time for the people of the UK to tell their government that the Political Correctness is going to kill them all. It is pure foolishness.

Unfortunately, that train has left the station. If a white man stands up and says what he thinks about race relations or homosexuality in England, just as in every other European country and Canada, he will be locked up in prison by the multi-culti commissars for "inciting hatred." These are no longer societies with freedom of speech. (Of course, members of the Religion of Peace are allowed to say anything they like.)

-ccm

8 posted on 07/10/2005 3:28:56 AM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: stripes1776

BUMP!


9 posted on 07/10/2005 3:30:35 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A socialist is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
most democratic peoples and their political leaders prefer to regard bad news as a peripheral nuisance which can be negotiated away to the fringe of their concerns.

John Kerry anyone?

10 posted on 07/10/2005 3:34:19 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Kent great post!

I think for the Brits it is a case of too little too late. They have way too many fasists inside the gate, I hope I am wrong but the leftists aren't goin to change their position, only use the attacks to scream for peace.

They may get an idea of what is going on when they are bowing to Allah or risk being beheaded.


11 posted on 07/10/2005 3:44:13 AM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight them in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Which do you prefer?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Steyn bump


12 posted on 07/10/2005 3:45:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Iraq is the bug light for terrorists" (Mike McConnell 7/2/05))
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To: JustaCowgirl
Old saying: "Be careful who you let move into your home. You may not be able to get him to leave."

Anyone ever see Dirk Bogard's "The Servant"? Passivity can cost you all that you hold dear.

13 posted on 07/10/2005 3:46:09 AM PDT by steenkeenbadges
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I think it's too late. The brutal truth will not be acknowledged in our climate of political correctness. The President of the United States does not even have the stomach to control U.S. borders.

We are on a path of national suicide. In our insanity, we, and the Brits, would rather let our nations be blown up than act upon the obvious but politically INcorrect need to stop these barbarians from ever coming into our countries.

We cannot possibly stop Islamists from entering our countries even though it is they who kill us.

With that mindset, we deserve to die.

14 posted on 07/10/2005 3:46:14 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: beaversmom
It's the open borders globalism that greatly contributes to the notion that all are welcome no matter what... To promote globalism and then use a large portion of your law enforcement assets to police the anti-global crowd, and then blame the anti-globalist for luring away the terrorist preventing police is quite a stretch of the imagination, in my view...

Globalism and terrorism go hand in hand...Russia wouldn't have a massacre at a schoolyard or hundreds dead in a theater if they could have gotten rid of the muzlims...

Israel wouldn't have suicide bombers if they could keep out all muzlims... Britain wouldn't have bombed subways if they would have gotten ridden of the muzlims...

WE wouldn't have 9/11 if we could have kept the muzlims out...

And all of the 'free world' is expecting and anticipating more terrorist attacks, because we let the terrorists live among us...

Let's not blame the anti-globalists...
15 posted on 07/10/2005 3:47:40 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; joan; Honorary Serb; jb6; Destro
Steyn is absolutely wrong about the Yugoslav civil war in Bosnia, and if he claims "250,000 corpses" radicalized the already-radical Muslims, he needs to study history better.

Of the real number of 60-80,000 (confirmed by unbiased UN personnel on the ground), half were Serb natives of the province of Bosnia and half were Slavic Muslim natives of Bosnia plus thousands of foreign Islamic terrorist forces. xxx-president Clinton is the man who made it possible for there to be a radical Islamic state in the heart of Europe, and I am proud of the Serbs for standing up no matter what lying propaganda he promoted.

To blame the Christians of Yugoslavia for what the Islamic fanatics have been intending to do for over a thousand years is ignorant.

16 posted on 07/10/2005 3:48:04 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: stripes1776

So you basically say you want to abolish our freedom to read or not to read??? Is that what you want? Tell me! I´m curious to learn your ideas of freedom. ;-)


17 posted on 07/10/2005 3:53:15 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Deutschland kommt wieder!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Excellent piece. What drove me crazy, watching reporters go on about 'standing tough', 'we've taken worse than this', 'remember the Blitz!', etc., is that much more than standing tough is needed, and I'm not sure British people understand this. They have to clean house, and it's not just a British problem. Europe is a breeding ground for Muslim terrorism, and posturing, merely talking tough and doing nothing will only beget bigger explosions and greater loss of life.


18 posted on 07/10/2005 3:54:45 AM PDT by hershey
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To: ccmay

The trojan horse is in every major city world wide. We will see who has the political will to turn them out.For Londoners I don't believe that Red Ken has the right stuff.


19 posted on 07/10/2005 3:59:05 AM PDT by magua
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To: beaversmom

Me, too! That G-8 summit was as usual, irrelevant. Posturing, and a recycling of old ideas that won't work. As Jesus said, 'The poor will always be with you.' The trick is to help them help themselves. Education, getting them to think beyond tribalism. As for PC ridden Britain and the EU, God help us all.


20 posted on 07/10/2005 4:00:01 AM PDT by hershey
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

bump for a great post.


21 posted on 07/10/2005 4:00:45 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
xxx-president Clinton is the man who made it possible for there to be a radical Islamic state in the heart of Europe...

And he could never have done so without the complicit MSM falsifying the numbers and identities of some of the victims as you point out. Even though the extravagant propaganda was refuted in much of the foreign press, somehow it never got reported here.

The only question left in my mind is whether the Clintons and the MSM did what they did because they hate Christians so much or whether they had a longer term and even more destructive goal in mind...

22 posted on 07/10/2005 4:23:55 AM PDT by Sal
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To: Michael81Dus
So you basically say you want to abolish our freedom to read or not to read??? Is that what you want? Tell me! I´m curious to learn your ideas of freedom. ;-)

When you go to school, the professor assigns the books. Please feel free to drop out of class at any time. I would insert a smiley to indicate good natured humor, except it would be redundant.

23 posted on 07/10/2005 4:27:07 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: Happygal; Colosis; MadIvan

Mark Steyn ping - as usual it's a must read!


24 posted on 07/10/2005 4:49:10 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Terrorism is the modern name we give barbarism.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
But, if the political class goes about business as usual, that's not a stiff upper lip but a suicide cult. The question now is will the British return to the fantasy agenda of Bob Geldof or avenge their dead?

One should also ask the same question of American politicians, particularly the Democrats, because it's pretty clear they have already returned to their own peculiar fantasies!

25 posted on 07/10/2005 4:58:32 AM PDT by Gritty ("Multicultural pieties in the UK require that they keep themselves in the dark-Mark Steyn)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
The President of the United States does not even have the stomach to control U.S. borders.

I think it is more of a lack of desire to secure the border with Mexico.

1. It will make Fox unhappy.

2. He would make the environmentalist unhappy. I believe they have not even been able to construct new power lines through the desert in Arizona to help prevent another power crisis in California. How would the Jack Rabbits and Scorpions react to a real border in the desert?

26 posted on 07/10/2005 5:07:29 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I remember a report from a couple of years ago wherein the Brits were going to stop selling military equipment to the Israeli's because of their use of said equipment in the 'oppression' of the "Palistinians".

I guess I'm a minority voice but I don't see what the big deal with the London bombs is all about.

Sure, 50 people died, and now there's a world-wide manhunt on for the perps with everyone in the world offering to help find them.

Yet when the pali's were killing Jews, the world not only remained silence, they all but condemned the Jews for defending themselves when they wanted to build a wall to protect themselves.

50 Brits die and the world is up in arms. THOUSANDS of Jews die and the silence is deafening.

I guess I just don't get it.

But I will get the flames no doubt.

27 posted on 07/10/2005 5:11:11 AM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The vociferous Mr Galloway denies it all.... No Iraq, no attack.

His ilk in Britain and in Vermont will destroy us.
28 posted on 07/10/2005 5:13:00 AM PDT by bert ( The final Crusade is possible......... just piss us off a little more.)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

So, we will live to regret our actions in Bosnia??


29 posted on 07/10/2005 5:19:28 AM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: Sal

xxx-president Clinton is the man who made it possible for there to be a radical Islamic state in the heart of Europe...

While Clinton may be responsible for the one in the heart
of Europe, we owe a radical Islamic state in the middle East to Jimmy Carter.

Funny that they both belong to the same party eh.


30 posted on 07/10/2005 5:23:54 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68
Yes, and I also question whether Carter started that ball rolling because he's a stupid, ignorant POS or whether he too had a plan with malice aforethought toward the US and all we used to stand for.

He made a lot of mistakes that hurt the US big time. I can't remember one thing he did that helped us either by plan or "mistake".

31 posted on 07/10/2005 5:30:00 AM PDT by Sal
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To: USF; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks

ping


32 posted on 07/10/2005 5:30:10 AM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

Steyn ping!


33 posted on 07/10/2005 5:31:39 AM PDT by Pokey78 (‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The more I think about it, it seems the "peaceful muslims" in the west have a bigger stake in this than anyone. If a nuke does go off in NY City or Wash DC, we will see a wave of repression the likes of which America has never experienced. You can guess who will be on the losing end of that stick. (Think American Indian X 10)


34 posted on 07/10/2005 5:31:55 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Remember the G8 Summit in Georgia? It came off without a hitch--no terrorism, controlled protesters, no clogged highways, no significant disruption.

After finding essentially no comments on the Prostest Board placed in a downtown Savannah park, one frustrated "protester" whined, "You people just aren't interested in what we have to say!"

Furthermore, it's been four years, and 9/11 has never been repeated.

President Bush has been a roaring success!

He successfully took the War on Terror to the Middle East and away from America.

Leftist morons don't seem capable of comprehending this, but, of course, they always go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the way to ignore the obvious. It's part of their delusional system and one reason--of many--why they cannot be trusted and their opinions must be ignored.

35 posted on 07/10/2005 5:32:13 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodesiac!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Abdel Karim al-Tuhami al-Majati was another Europeanized Muslim radicalized by the 250,000 corpses of Bosnia.

I think Steyn goes over the top with this line. Everything that I have read is that this level of death was always a lie put out by the Muslim and leftist propagandist to bring in Western forces on their side. It was used by the Clinton regime to give an excuse for their "Wag the Dog" strategy.

36 posted on 07/10/2005 5:36:08 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: joebuck
(Think American Indian X 10)

Free college educations, Casinos, no property taxes, no hunting or fishing regulations - we should all get so lucky. Yep some are just more equal than others.

37 posted on 07/10/2005 5:37:42 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Terrorist tend to attack innocent civilians, including women and children. Before this is over, I fear, pointed attacks on their women and children will be necessary to make them understand their aspirations are not worth the cost.

It may reach a point where only the terrorist's understanding that their families, mothers, fathers, children, relatives, friends and countrymen will pay a horrible price for their actions - will prevent further terrorist action.

God forbid that they get their hands on nuclear weapons - before we can dissuade them!

38 posted on 07/10/2005 5:42:08 AM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: Sal
Yes, and I also question whether Carter started that ball rolling because he's a stupid, ignorant POS or whether he too had a plan with malice aforethought toward the US and all we used to stand for.

When Carter came into office Iran was rapidly entering the modern world, more so than any of it's neighbors.

When Carter left office they were back in the 6th century.

Supporting the Shaw would of stabilized the country, but Carter cast his lot with the "Peoples Revolution".

39 posted on 07/10/2005 5:44:04 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: joebuck; USF; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
...it seems the "peaceful muslims" in the west have a bigger stake in this than anyone.

By peaceful Muslims, do you mean the "apostates" or those Muslims who privately support and celebrate Jihad. There really isn't any middle ground.

40 posted on 07/10/2005 5:47:34 AM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: hershey
What drove me crazy, watching reporters go on about 'standing tough', 'we've taken worse than this', 'remember the Blitz!', etc., is that much more than standing tough is needed, and I'm not sure British people understand this.

They just need to remember that the last entity that bombed civilians in London, Southampton, Coventry, etc...

Had their cities burned down to the bedrock.

41 posted on 07/10/2005 5:49:34 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: RAY
re : Before this is over, I fear, pointed attacks on their women and children will be necessary to make them understand their aspirations are not worth the cost.

Wont work, the terrorist doesn't care about anyone but them self's and what ever pervereted cause they are fighting.Fighting terror with terror has never worked, as the Germans discovered to there cost on the eastern front.

Tony

42 posted on 07/10/2005 5:51:22 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: RAY
Before this is over, I fear, pointed attacks on their women and children will be necessary to make them understand their aspirations are not worth the cost.

The error in this is that you presume they hold their families dear the westerners do.

They don't.

43 posted on 07/10/2005 5:53:10 AM PDT by Dark Skies (All Muslims aren't evil...just the real ones.)
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To: Pokey78

BTTT!


44 posted on 07/10/2005 5:54:23 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Dark Skies
"By peaceful Muslims, do you mean the "apostates" or those Muslims who privately support and celebrate Jihad. There really isn't any middle ground."

I mean the ones who want to avoid seeing the results of the only military strategy which has historically proven very effective against an enemy waging a purely guerrilla, partisan war. Although effective, it's not pretty.

45 posted on 07/10/2005 5:56:09 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This article will go unheeded. Tony Blair is a weak man who will not even name the evil Britain faces, let alone fight it to the death. Anything short of mass arrests and deportations of Muslims would be meaningless,and that will never happen. Pray for a new leader to emerge, because with Blair there is no hope.


46 posted on 07/10/2005 6:00:28 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Gorzaloon

I don't remember the IRA bombing Southampton...


47 posted on 07/10/2005 6:01:25 AM PDT by toadthesecond
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To: stripes1776
This article is Steyn at his best. He cuts right to the heart of the matter. This should be required reading for everybody at FreeRepublic.

It should be required reading for everyone at DU and moveon.org. Of course Steyn would have to do a Classic Comics version.
48 posted on 07/10/2005 6:02:10 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Previously posted under a different title:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438736/posts


49 posted on 07/10/2005 6:06:39 AM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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50 posted on 07/10/2005 6:07:21 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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