Skip to comments.Cooper Email Identifies Rove as "A" Source
Posted on 07/11/2005 5:13:46 AM PDT by harpu
That said, the disclosure that Mr. Bush's top political strategist discussed the CIA employment of Mr. Wilson's wife amounts to a political embarrassment for Mr. Rove and the White House. A presidential spokesman had previously given what appeared to be an unequivocal public assurance that Mr. Rove hadn't been involved in the disclosure of Ms. Plame as a CIA operative. Discovery that earlier denials may have been carefully parsed would represent another blow to the administration's credibility, compounding damage from the underlying issue that initially brought Mr. Wilson into the spotlight.
Mr. Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, last week denied that Mr. Rove had contacted Mr. Cooper last Wednesday, and said that when Mr. Rove spoke to Mr. Cooper two years ago, "Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identification to anyone. That's not a technical statement. That's as practical and direct as I can make it." He also told The Wall Street Journal that Mr. Rove had never asked any reporter to treat him as a confidential source in the matter, "so if Matt Cooper is going to jail to protect a source, it's not Karl he's protecting."
Yesterday, Mr. Luskin explained that Mr. Rove, like other White House officials, had signed a document provided by Mr. Fitzgerald in December 2003, allowing reporters to testify about conversations with him. On Wednesday, before Mr. Cooper was headed to court and a possible jail term, his attorney, Richard Sauber, called Mr. Luskin and asked for reassurance that the earlier waiver encompassed Mr. Rove's discussions with Mr. Cooper. If so, Mr. Sauber sought more express consent. Mr. Luskin checked with Mr. Fitzgerald as to whether more specific consent was necessary, and then gave that consent to Mr. Cooper, who said last week that he received the permission in "somewhat dramatic fashion."
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A source of what, though? He didn't tell him that she was a covert agent.
they're really trying hard, aren't they!
I'd guess it was an "OLD" personal friend of Wilson....in the CIA. If Wilson disclosed his "job" to Valerie on their third date, he's just not a "I can keep a secret" person.
One of these days the administration might wake up to the fact that you cannot trust any reporters.
are you kidding me?
As far as the agency goes that chick was the least "covert" officer walking the streets (and that is saying alot considering how overt the agency was during those years).
Don't even get me started on this.
Probably because she was not a covert agent.
This Grand Jury is going to go through the process, and nothing is going to come of it. It is just entertainment for the Silly Season. In October, the whole thing will go away and be forgotten by everyone except for the folks who keep a litany of injustices dating back to where Bush stole the election in Florida 2000.
No. Because he did not know she had been a covert agent.
What are you talking about, they have! This reporting makes the MSM look like absolute idiots and partisan hacks going after Rove for disclosing NOTHING!
First of all, have you checked the source to see if this report is even true? You have to do that with the MSM ya know! After all the BS they print and report (DR, Newsweek, and all the others) you have no choice but verify yourself, they are never to be trusted!
In fact I call for those in the know on FR to hold a seminar on how to check the authenticity of information in news reports...It should now be SOP around here.
Sorry, when a dizzy blond models herself on the cover of Vanity Fare and then the Democrats complain about her "identity" being revealed after she recommends her dizzier husband to go on a "mission" to Nigeria to discover the orgins of the yellow cake while drinking tea, (OMG! He didn't even know that the yellow cake was not the eating kind) I really care. What is worse, I lost all respect for the CIA. If sending Mr. Dizzy to Nigeria to come to the bottom of the missing yellow cake is the best they can do, that scares the heck out of me. Sheesh. And now the Dummcrats have to blast this CIA failure over and over again. Honestly!
Why is this even a story? This is less of a scandal than Whitewater.
Because the Dims have no other agenda, then to bring down the current administration to their level. They are constantly trying to nick the President with anything they can, truth be damned, because it has the possibility of doing what they cannot: Defeat the President.
Ah, but the ID of the real source and why he/she did what was done would be...
Wouldn't it, Ms. Miller?
The problem is that Valerie WAS INVOLVED in making the trip happen. In all reality, this is the connection that should not have been able to be made.
How about this....someone at the CIA, a Republican, was supposed to go to Nigeria. For whatever reason, Valerie INTERFERRED and Wilson wound up going and issuing a verbal report. As far as I remember, he did not make a written report and anything wriiten only appeared in our "prejudiced" media.
Why was there no written official report?
Well......I've been mostly quiet on this but while i think it's a tempest in a teapot, the media might not let this go.
Parsing whether Rove knew or did not know what Plame was (assuming she even was covert) might not be a defence. If the media frames the whole thing as "Rove outed CIA agent", it doesn't really matter if she was covert or not does it.
Rove has had the media by the b*lls for a long time and this looks alot like payback. If the public perception turns again him (Rove) then he most likely will resign. Is a Rove resignation a big deal at this point? (not really).
Oh well just my POV
Agreed. I was aware all the details you mentioned except the Republican spin. The CIA lost credibility by sending a moron like Mr. Dizzy. This whole caper is ludicrous and if I were the CIA I would put it to bed ASAP.
9 out of 10 people in the media thinks this might be a story. 9 out of 10 people in the public are scratching their heads wondering why anyone really cares. It is not like Rove gave nuclear missile technology secrets to the Chinese.
Interesting how they did not mention any of the other sources for the story in Spikie's story.
"9 out of 10 people in the media thinks this might be a story"
9 out of 10 MSM media types WANT this to be a story. Their viewers however, want to know what happened to the girl in Aruba.
I'd like to see an investigation of how many Washington reporters knew that Valerie Plame got into a car and drove to Langley each and every morning. There was no secret there -- it was commonly known.
Covert agent in the typing pool.
Can someone define "covert" in this discussion?
Apparently Valerie Plame :
1. used her real name.
2. worked in Washington.
3. was known by most everyone to be Joseph Wilson's wife.
4. was not averse to having her picture taken.
5. WAS NOT MAINTAING A "LEGEND", i.e. another identity.
Now what exactly was covert about her? That she worked in the Operations Directorate? Rove did't even tell the reporter what directorate she worked in or her name.
Can someone explain what law was even broken here?
Only the appearance of impropriety is needed to convict a Republican. A Democrat is not guilty until after a trial, and even then it is an over zealous political prosecution, and everyone does it.
There is a perception advanced by the media that there is a story here. Things that may work against Rove
1. Slow news week (London is already forgotten)
2. Supreme Court (no candidates picked yet)
3. A conclusive email or "leak" who points to Rove.
Rememeber that while he may be liked by the masses, I'm sure he has many enemies in the Repub party. Lets also not forget Max Cleland (sp) and other Democrats who've felt his sting. Believe me the knives are out.
One of the big Democrat lies was that Plame was intentionally outed as a way of retaliating against Wilson. That explanation never made any sense, because even had that been the administration's goal, it would not have done any damage to Wilson. If you want an example of an administration scheming to damage a whistleblower, you have to look no further than what the Clinton administration did to Linda Tripp by illegally releasing her confidential employment records.
Rather, from the claim of what is contained in the Time material, it seems obvious that the intent was for reporters to dig into the real story of what was going on, namely a rogue, internal CIA plot to discredit the Bush administration by having Wilson perform his little bit of agitprop.
First Rove did not tell Cooper that Wislons Wife is an undercover CIA agent and he did not know she is an undercover CIA agent.
Second, Rove is not the source for the Bob Novak article that made Valerie Plame name public.
End of the nothing story.
"End of the nothing story."
I'm listening to Tony Snow. He just called it the Seinfeld of stories. All about nothing.
The liberals knives have been out hundred of times in the last 4 /12 years and every time they barely made a scratch to President Bush, his administration, or his policies. This time is no different. This is the one million time that liberals and their media whores get fake orgasms about some story where they have deluded themselves that it will destroy the Bush presidency, but as usual it will end up crushing on the wall of their bitter reality i.e. another utter defeat.
I like Tony Snow.
How this "outs" Plame is beyond me. It sounds like the petty nepotism that goes on all the time in bureaucracies. From what was said, Plame could have been a low level staffer who was exceeding her authority.
Wouldn't it be fun just once to see the press go after a Democrat with this kind of zeal?
"Andrea Mitchell was asked, on MSNBC, whether it was generally known to news people, before the hullabaloo, that Ms. Plame worked for the CIA. She answered, somewhat reluctantly, that it was."
This is ridiculous. both parties make arguments for "their guys" that even their guys don't make for themselves.
Sandy Berger did wrong and so did Rove. I'm sure Bush, Sr. is really happy with Rove .You can do things that are wrong without it being a crime. Our standards are pretty low if "no crime was committed" is the standard.
Nobody can call a spade a spade any more.
She wasn't a covert agent. That's one of the reasons Rove would have no idea that she was ~ Wilson seems to be the only guy around who thinks she's covert, and maybe that has to do with their sex life. He's married to her.
Not just no, but hell, no. Not on this planet, not in this lifetime.
""Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identification to anyone. That's not a technical statement. That's as practical and direct as I can make it.""
Either he means Rove didn't give the "wife" a name, or...
Cooper already knew about the wife.
I love how the MSM seems to find a way to take out the "A" in front of the source and and a "THE". And they wonder why no one trust them.
Explain to me what Karl Rove did wrong here.....talking to a reporter?
There is not one aspect of this sentence that is correct. Sandy Berger stole and destroyed top secret documents. Rove...did what, exactly? Warned a Time reporter not to believe Wilson - noting that Wilson's trip wasn't even authorized, that he'd been sent to Niger by his wife. All of which is absolutely, totally, undeniably true, perfectly legal, and indisputably ethical.
What it means is that he did not tell Cooper or anyone else that Plame was a covert operative.
"noting that Wilson's trip wasn't even authorized, that he'd been sent to Niger by his wife"
Rove's "Double Secret" infomation that Tenet didn't authorize the trip was already known because Tenet already publicly said so. Rove is wrong about authorization, she did not. She recommended him for the trip only - which Wilson bizarrely denies to this day.
Well, I would guess that the only reason this story is a story again at all is that Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives and shoved them down his pants and destroyed them. He is supposed to be sentenced right about now. We wouldn't want his association with the Clintons to be brought up, would we?
Karl Rove is a great American and a great conservative, and he's a trusted advisor to President Bush. How dare you compare him to Burglar Burger.
IMHO,he had no business leaking the identity of an agent.
Yeah. Sure. And what "wrong" did Rove do, exactly?
After all, we know Berger pilfered national security documents. So what did Rove do that was illegal?
He did? Where in the text does it say that? It doesn't. It says that Rove was "a source." There could have been others. And it does not say that Rove gave anyone her name, now does it?
So what did Rove do again, exactly?
Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"CIA Director George Tenetor Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division.
The clips in quotes are quotes Isikoff has selected from Cooper's email to his bureau chief. Are these direct paraphrases of what Rove said or a mixture of what Rove said with Cooper's explanatory notes?--in other words, is the modifying phrase "who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues" a paraphrase of what Rove said or something Cooper learned independently of Rove and is adding as an explanatory note to his bureau chief? The first reading is more natural, but the phrase could reasonably be interpreted either way, and there's no way to prove which interpretation is correct without additional information. The problem here is that we have Cooper's summary of what Rove said, not a recording or transcript of Rove's actual comments. It would be helpful if we had Rove and Cooper's best reconstructions of their actual statements and Cooper's commentary on his own email rather than Isikoff's selective quotations and interpretation. As far as Plame's name, Isikoff's quotations from Cooper's email end before Plame's name is introduced, so this sentence is Isikoff's own commentary: "Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division." This strongly implies Rove did not give Cooper Plame's name. It is certainly not proof that Rove was Novak's source, which was the original issue at stake, supposedly. After this hyped-up article we still have no new information about Novak's source.
There is another interesting item in Cooper's email that is getting buried in the who-outed-Plame controversy:
"not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger..."
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