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Democrats In Need Of Stances (Dean Gets A Smack!)
Washington Post ^ | 7/11/05

Posted on 07/11/2005 7:36:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone

The Democracy Corps -- run by three veteran political consultants, James Carville, Robert Shrum and Stan Greenberg -- offered a mixture of good and bad news for the Democratic Party last week.

In essence, their interpretation of their own latest polling data is that the Republicans are ripe for the taking -- but the vagueness of the Democratic alternative is limiting the prospects for a major comeback.

Although they do not make the point, their findings illuminate the most striking failure of the Democratic National Committee under the chairmanship of Howard Dean -- the reluctance to create the kind of policy arm that has rescued the party from similar doldrums past.

What the Democracy Corps trio reported is that each of their last three monthly surveys has found that likely voters, by 55 percent to 41 percent, say they hope to see the country move in a significantly different direction from the one President Bush has set. The survey indicates that the principal reasons for voters' disillusionment -- these numbers are far worse than a year ago -- are concern about the Iraq war, worries about pensions and Social Security, anxiety about jobs and incomes, and the cost of health care.

All these offer tempting targets for a Democratic campaign. "But for all that," the Democracy Corps memo says, "Democrats are at risk of making only modest gains in 2006. . . . The president's deep troubles have produced no rise in positive sentiment about the Democrats." To achieve their potential, the memo concludes, "they must pose sharp choices -- ones that define the Democrats, not just the Republicans."

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democracycorps; lostdems
But he said he has his staff collecting ideas from Democratic officeholders, activists and contributors about the party's agenda

Dean and his staff have been collecting ideas from disgruntled hateful DUers and Move-On members who have nothing else in mind but impeachment and hate. That is exactly where he and his staff are getting their ideas from. Whenever a DU spews his venom the DNC spews the EXACT same thing. The Dem congressmen and Senators have a really pathetic habit of quoting from Newpaper articles (as if the American people really want their leaders to be guided by the newspapers)and also the rhetoric that the DUers and Move-On people rant about in their e-mails to them.

1 posted on 07/11/2005 7:36:44 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
"the reluctance to create the kind of policy arm that has rescued the party from similar doldrums past."

Au contraire! They have tons of policy positions.

The problem is Democrats cannot state their policy positions because most Americans disagree with them.

2 posted on 07/11/2005 7:41:23 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: areafiftyone

Democrats nationally need to buy a clue. But--oh that right, they have little-to-no money in the DNC coffers thanks to Howl'in Howey. Maybe the Flordia Democratic Party can bail them out financially.


3 posted on 07/11/2005 7:42:08 AM PDT by rod1
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To: areafiftyone

They have stances: sodomy, infanticide, tax hikes, appeasement, to name a few, all laced with anti -Americanism.


4 posted on 07/11/2005 7:42:33 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: Brad Cloven

I disagree.


5 posted on 07/11/2005 7:43:12 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Brad Cloven

...with them.


6 posted on 07/11/2005 7:43:49 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: areafiftyone
It's insane. The Republicans are somewhat vulnerable in the 2006 election, but as areafiftyone so precisely and accurately puts it: "They have stances: sodomy, infanticide, tax hikes, appeasement, to name a few, all laced with anti -Americanism."

I am from Kentucky. The south is not going to vote for such people. If the Dems ran someone who was even somewhat moderate, and not a left-wing freak show, they would almost certainly do well in the next election. But they are so consumed by fear and hatred of Bush that that is the last thing they'll do. They are in an advanced state of self-destruction. The Dem party will eventually either split (which would be good for the country) or it will cease to be a serious political force (also good for the country, but not as good as the former).
7 posted on 07/11/2005 7:50:33 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Brad Cloven
Err, I meant to say as JeeperFreeper said. Not areafiftyone. My mistake.

PIMF
8 posted on 07/11/2005 7:51:29 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: areafiftyone

"Republicans are ripe for the taking "

Unfortunately, I agree. Put on your tin foil hat, I'm going to throw a conspiracy on the table:

Dean is ineffective therefore, damaging most dems. However, we've seen the Clintons have the ability to structure themselves apart from the DNC. Dean being head of the DNC is actually a benefit to Hillary.
I've seen the ads for the new series about a woman president, HRC anyone? That's the MSM doing their best to pave the way for Hillary.
If the Bush administration doesn't make some progress, HRC will be on the inside track to be POTUS.


9 posted on 07/11/2005 7:52:09 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: areafiftyone
likely voters, by 55 percent to 41 percent, say they hope to see the country move in a significantly different direction from the one President Bush has set.

This doesn't necessarily mean they're going to vote for Dems. My guess is that half of the 55 percent are here reading FR. I'm definitely in that group.

10 posted on 07/11/2005 7:52:59 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Brad Cloven

The problem is Democrats cannot state their policy positions because most Americans disagree with them.
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Of course -- and that is why the Kerry campaign (if you can call it that)...was so EMPTY. No policy (EXCEPT RAISING YOUR TAXES), no plan, no vision, no purpose, nothing for America except hate, obstruction and criticism. And they think people cannot figure that out -- GOOD! Let them keep their present modus operandi -- and die! Would be GREAT for the USA!!!


11 posted on 07/11/2005 7:53:45 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: areafiftyone
" "people think they know what the Republicans stand for, and they can't say that about the Democrats." But he said he has his staff collecting ideas from Democratic officeholders, activists and contributors "

Dean can't even figure out what the Democrats stand for. That's why he has his staff trying to find out.

They should just read FR for a few days and they would find out exactly what Democrats stand for.

12 posted on 07/11/2005 7:59:51 AM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is everything in a democracy. Losing is for people unclear on the concept.)
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To: brownsfan
I also believe that republicans are vulnerable at the moment. I also think its obvious that HRC is the dems favorite for president.

HRC is a skilled political operator, no doubt about it and I think she has a real serious chance at winning the presidency. I think she still has an uphill battle, though.

As for the MSM paving the way for her, she's always been their favorite, so this comes as no surprise.
13 posted on 07/11/2005 8:04:17 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: areafiftyone; lonevoice

"The survey indicates that the principal reasons for voters' disillusionment -- these numbers are far worse than a year ago -- are concern about the Iraq war, worries about pensions and Social Security, anxiety about jobs and incomes, and the cost of health care."

Maybe the democrats do not have a clear policy or stance on the issues facing our country today, but this illustrates to me that the President has not made it clear enough to the public that we are winning the war on terror (in Afghanistan and Iraq). It also shows that too many Americans don't realize that the jobless rate is only 5% and the economy has been growing steadily under the President's watch. They also do not understand the social security crisis and that the democrats, who clearly understand that there is a crisis, obstruct all of the President's attempts to fix the ailing social security system while offering no viable alternatives of their own. I think that the President and his top officials need to start hammering these facts home and on a regular basis.
Take it to the people much like they did on the 2004 campaign trail where President Bush is greeted with near rock star status. The Republicans have to go in for the kill so the public learns the truth.


14 posted on 07/11/2005 8:06:57 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: areafiftyone
by 55 percent to 41 percent, say they hope to see the country move in a significantly different direction from the one President Bush has set.

The extremely insignificant “wrong direction, right direction” above is what the liberals pundits have repeated thousands of times in 2004 believing that they are going to win the elections because majority of “polled” believe that the country is on the wrong track. They were so sure of their victory because they so much believed that “wrong track, right track” crap, but at the end they were utterly defeated. They are doing the same thing again, and these are supposedly the “brightest strategists” of the Democrat party. I am glad that liberals are our political opponents, they are too stupid to win.

15 posted on 07/11/2005 8:12:52 AM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: brownsfan
Some education to calm your fear (knee jerk reaction):

Hillary Clinton is an extreme liberal and no matter what she does she cannot hide her spots. Do you remember all the flip flops of John Kerry and how he tried to move to the right and hide his liberal record, guess what the majority of American people did not believe him and he was crushed together with his miserable party in the 2004 elections. The same thing will happen to Hillary Clinton no matter what she does, the majority of voters will see her as who she really is, a flaming liberal. The majority of voters will realize that Hillary Clinton is a fake person, fake character, fake smile, fake attitude, etc… If you think that one of Kerry major problem were his flip flops then Hillary Clinton attempt on faking who she really is will make Kerry flip flops a tiny problem.

The majority of the American voters are not ready yet for a woman President and they will not trust yet a woman to protect their lives. Women in particular will have a problem with Hillary Clinton because they do not feel secure with a woman President in charge of protect them and the life of their families. Moreover she does will not only have problem with majority of married and mature women but also with a substantial number of young and single liberal women. Many liberal women consider her a political “B****” because she stayed with Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal and she defended him. I am not saying that majority of the liberal women will be against her but it will be minority large enough to kill any chance she has to win the women vote, and hence not chance to win the Presidency. Of course the men vote will be 70% to 30% against her.

Moreover the majority of American will realize that she is a nasty and a mean person. When she is cornered Hillary Clinton will show her ugly and disgusting nastiness and meanness that will turn off the majority of voters, in particular women voters, and man will call her a “B****”. Few want to elect a “B****” for President.

If we thought that Kerry has non-charismatic dry personality, Hillary Clinton will make look like the ultimate motivation speech person and will make look like Cicero. Have you heard give an “Passionate” speech? If you did not you should because we will be laughing for at least tow hours after you hear her screeching voice and how she runs out of breath. She is a simply a “clown” when it comes to political speeches, and Jay Leno will be have an ocean of comedy materials about her “Campaign stops, events, and speeches”.

You may make the dumb argument that the media will protect her and we will not see anything about her problems? Really, as if they did not try to protect Kerry. One of the most important lessons we learned in 2004 that the media cannot make anyone win an election no matter what. After the 2004 election it is not called anymore the MSM, main stream media, it is called DLM, defeated liberal media.

16 posted on 07/11/2005 8:16:58 AM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: areafiftyone

Quote; "In essence, their interpretation of their own latest polling data is that the Republicans are ripe for the taking. . . ."

Aside from the fact that the Martian always thinks that the Republicans are ripe for the taking, Carville acknowledges that the democrats can't take back power without any ideas and proposals of their own. This begs the simple question: how exactly are the Republicans "ripe for the taking" if the democrats can't take them?

Where besides immigration and spending are the Republicans weak? Given those two areas of weakness, are the democrats really going to try and sell the voters that they are tough on immigration and are deficit hawks. The democrats don't think we are letting in enough illegals and aren't spending enough money.

Earth to Martian, Earth to Martian. . .the anti-war platform is not ever ever ever going to work, no matter how much you try to dress it up and teach it a new dance.


18 posted on 07/11/2005 8:27:28 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Cato_The_Younger

Your link just brings me to a Photo bucket page.


19 posted on 07/11/2005 8:30:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Cato_The_Younger
I think this is what you were trying to post


20 posted on 07/11/2005 8:31:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone
In essence, their interpretation of their own latest polling data is that the Republicans are ripe for the taking

Well maybe we are and maybe we aren't but I'm not going to get upset at democrat poll results. Two things would help the Republicans: get tougher on the borders and start to refute the endless democrat talking points. President Bush does not do this enough and the Republicans in the Senate are absolutely pathetic about it. It amazes me how they let the democrats go on and on and rarely do they get out there and refute anything.

21 posted on 07/11/2005 8:35:20 AM PDT by sydbas
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To: areafiftyone

There is one thing that shouldn't need pointing out. This is a poll conducted by Carville et. al. Does anyone really believe it? I don't buy that likely voters by a margin of 51% to 40 whatever percent hope the country heads in a direction opposite of where President Bush is sending it. President Bush laid out his agenda during the campaign. Then why and how did he get elected, if these numbers are true? The President is not doing anything that he didn't say he was going to do.

As to our borders, the President sure isn't doing anything that he said he said he wouldn't do, namely, nothing. But despite dissatisfaction over that issue, it still doesn't translate into votes for the dems.

In short, the only room to maneuver around the President in a manner that registers with voters is by being to the right of the President. Who in the democrat party (besides Hillary and she will be faking it) is going to do that? The democrats and the MSM assume that any dissatisfaction with the President's policies mean the voters long for liberalism and a left wing agenda (since that is all the dems ever offer). I reject that premise. If anything, I think the voters want more from the President in terms of being aggresive in securing our borders and being aggresive in taking the war to the terrorists, i.e. direct action against Iran.


22 posted on 07/11/2005 8:39:03 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: areafiftyone
their interpretation of their own latest polling data is that the Republicans are ripe for the taking -- but the vagueness of the Democratic alternative is limiting the prospects for a major comeback.

If I were a Dem political strategist(s) who wanted additional millions in consulting fees I would:
1) Tell the Dems they very, very close to winning majorities back, get them excited even though they are known losers
2) Tell them they have no ideas that they can win on, unless of course they consult your firm.

23 posted on 07/11/2005 8:44:19 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: areafiftyone
"Democrats are at risk of making only modest gains in 2006..."

In other words, they're royally screwed. Again.

24 posted on 07/11/2005 9:20:37 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: areafiftyone

Democrats In Need Of Stances

1. Raise Taxes.
2. Raise Fees.
3. Raise Fines.
4. Raise Permits.
5. The Children.
6. The Bums, er, "Homeless."
7. De-Industrialize.
8. Bow Down To Muslims.
9. Raise Aid To Socialist Worldwide.
10.Confiscate Guns.
11.Raise Rules.
12.Raise Regulations.
13.Raise Codes.
.......

Just doing my part.


25 posted on 07/11/2005 9:23:07 AM PDT by Leisler ("You're either with us, or against us." GWB. "Well punk( muslim ), what's going to be?" Dirty Harry)
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To: JamesP81
" If the Dems ran someone who was even somewhat moderate, and not a left-wing freak show, they would almost certainly do well in the next election. But they are so consumed by fear and hatred of Bush that that is the last thing they'll do.."

The Demwits are stuck. Even against some of the more intelligent ones better judgment, Hill-da-Beast OWNS the nomination. Although it will be the stupidest thing to do, I don;t think they can get off the road to run her.

With all thats at stake for them, they will run the person with the most baggage and enemies. Pubbies came together to keep Kerry out, and it will be twice as focused this time.

Hill-da-Beast doesn't have the temperament to withstand what will be thrown at her. In her mind she is destined for this, and that will not play well with middle America. She will wear that on her sleeve everyday, and she will grate on people over a long campaign. If things start going bad for her she will not understand how this can;t just be given to her and she will crumble like a cookie.

26 posted on 07/11/2005 10:25:57 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Brad Cloven

"The problem is Democrats cannot state their policy positions because most Americans disagree with them."


Exactly! And .. the only way they get their "policy positions" foisted upon the public is through the courts - not through the voting booth.

The public has found this out - and that's why they can't win elections.


27 posted on 07/11/2005 12:23:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: The Old Hoosier

Just as they misjudged the results of the election - I think the country is going in the wrong direction, too; difference is I want it to be more conservative than GWB does...


28 posted on 07/11/2005 1:58:07 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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