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To: MACVSOG68

I've been on this fourm awhile, and I don't see the calls for theocracy as you do. I'll tell you what I think. I would like to see Christianity, through the democratic process of the grassroots voting their preferences, be the predominant ethic in our culture including our government.

This will take a lot of evangelism, and a lot of work. But our nation was overwhelmingly Christian when it was founded, and it was more free that anywhere on earth. Today it is less Christian that in has ever been, and is now less free and more socialistic. I believe there is a causal relationship here.

But politics aside, Christianity starts with a person acknowledging their sinful nature before God. Christ came to forgive and to heal. Government has no part in that other than to get out of the way.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 7:19:38 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I've been on this fourm awhile, and I don't see the calls for theocracy as you do.

I have been on a thread recently here relating to "Is Europe Dying?" The Freeper I have been in lengthy discussions with openly prefers theocracy to democracy. A year or two ago, I was on several threads relating to the religious movement to secede and establish a Christian nation. At that time I ran into a number of posters who were clearly pro-theocracy (at least to the point where the Bible was the principal and supreme law). As for now, anyone who subscribes to a Christian test for any justice or other official in effect subscribes to a theocracy.

I'll tell you what I think. I would like to see Christianity, through the democratic process of the grassroots voting their preferences, be the predominant ethic in our culture including our government.

This is the slippery slope I refer to. It will ultimately not end until there is an official religion in this Country, Christianity. And then of course, the battle begins for which Christian religion takes precedence. And what of Islam, or any of the other non-Christian religions. If religion is a religion of and for the individual as you say, why does it have to permeate our government and its policies?

But our nation was overwhelmingly Christian when it was founded, and it was more free that anywhere on earth.

True, and before the First Amendment, it was moving precipitously towards theocracy. Almost every nation-state within the Confederation between 1776 and 1789 had Christian only tests for government officials. When you exclude members of society from the government for religious reasons, you create artificial classes within the nation. Forcing Christianity on folks is not the way to salvation for either the people or the nation.

Today it is less Christian that in has ever been, and is now less free and more socialistic. I believe there is a causal relationship here.

History would not agree with you. First Christianity is by far the most populous religion in the US and the world. It outnumbers the next by almost a 2 to 1 margin. You are correct in that Christianity in the US has dropped from 97% in 1900 to about 85% now. But the population of the US is still by far Christian! Yes, it's more socialistic, but that's pretty easily explained by a USSC that was stacked by FDR for that very purpose. As for a freer nation, you may want to provide some examples.

Finally, like the other poster I have been discussing Europe with, he tends to correlate a drop in the population rate with a drop in Christianity. That is a fallacy of logic. The two may or may not be correlated, but simply showing two facts occurring at the same time does not create a cause and effect relationship. Both the changes in America and those in Europe are far too complex for that.

But politics aside, Christianity starts with a person acknowledging their sinful nature before God. Christ came to forgive and to heal. Government has no part in that other than to get out of the way.

We agree completely.

40 posted on 07/12/2005 8:40:50 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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