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Time For Questions (Today's crazy Press happenings on Rove)
fishbowlDC ^ | 7/11/2005 | Garrett Graff

Posted on 07/11/2005 12:26:45 PM PDT by NathanBookman

Contention reigns today at the White House press briefings. After many rounds of questions re: Rove, David Gregory said that Scott McClellan's stonewalling was "ridiculous."

For anyone who is following the Plame story closely, particularly this weekend's developments with Karl Rove, Dan Froomkin's White House Briefing is a must-read today. He pulls together a lot of varied information, and lays out some questions for his fellow journalists:

* For those covering the latest developments: How does it matter whether Rove literally used Plame's name or not?

* Why, as the Think Progress blog has been asking, did no one in the White House press corps ask McClellan even one question about Rove's involvement last week as the story was starting to unfold?

* Has Karl Rove routinely hidden behind confidentiality to spread damaging information about the White House's enemies?

* Should there maybe be a new category of "I'll-go-to-jail-for-you" on background reserved exclusively for whistle-blowers?

* Will any of you ever grant Karl Rove confidentiality again?

Howard Kurtz's chat today is almost entirely about Plame/Miller/Cooper/Rove too.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cialeak; cooper; miller; plame; rove
The press is now going crazy on the Rove thing. The article above has links to some other press takes on this. One link is an online chat with WaPo's Howard Kurtz: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/07/07/DI2005070701459.html

I still don't see the big deal. A reporter called Rove. At the end of the call the Wilson thing comes up. Rove gives his two cents on the true sponsor of the trip. Mentioning a CIA agent in and of itself is not a crime. Many criteria must be met.

1 posted on 07/11/2005 12:26:47 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: NathanBookman; All
The press is now going crazy on the Rove thi

They are going crazy on this because DUers and Move-On Leftist have blasted every article they could find to the media so they would not forget about it and had to finally react! The Leftists were sooo pissed that the London Bombings occurred to take the story away from the Rover/Plame story that while we were worried about the London bombings they were blasting Rove Rove Rove and more Rove to all the media outlets!

2 posted on 07/11/2005 12:32:21 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: NathanBookman
The MSM are freaking over this story because their past months' defense of these reporters is that there was no crime.

They seem to be saying it's a crime to "whistle blow" perceived wrongs by government personel, but only those who blow the whistle on "conservative" bad guys get TIME covers and praise.

Reporters come to information by many ways and they are the ones who decide what gets printed. Therein lies the responsibility--Plame wouldn't have been "outted" (if she was) if only the reporter kept his mouth shut; ditto with Novak.

But it's truly hilarious--not amusing, hilarious--to see these reporters, who, since Watergate, have been defending the whistleblowing tradition, now screaming "Save us from ourselves! Don't spill secrets to us!"

3 posted on 07/11/2005 12:33:00 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377

The MSM are freaking over this story because their past months' defense of these reporters is that there was no crime.
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Exactly. The radical left is just livid that again their attack on the evil right has blown up in their faces -- you would think by now, that they would have no face left...


4 posted on 07/11/2005 12:37:14 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: NathanBookman

It must be July if we are dealing with things this stupid.

The Donks want Rove so bad they can just taste it. The Clintonistas can sell the entire country to the ChiComs and they don't give a damn. But if Karl Rove mispoke while giving a backgrounder, it's the crime of the century


5 posted on 07/11/2005 12:37:36 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Real Americans couldn't care less about this. In fact, 298 out of 300 million Americans don't watch the highest rated cable news show. Add up the top 10 shows, and something like 280 out of 300 million are not watching. No one cares about important stuff. They sure as hell don't care about meaningless crap like this.


6 posted on 07/11/2005 12:37:47 PM PDT by Huck (Conservatism jumped the shark with GWB.)
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To: NathanBookman

Remember when Kerry stated the name of a real CIA covert agent during the hearings over John Bolton?

The MSM wasn't interested in that, I wonder why ?

sarcasm off !!!!!!!!


7 posted on 07/11/2005 12:38:14 PM PDT by federal
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To: gridlock
The Donks want Rove so bad they can just taste it.

That was the impetus behind this whole thing from the start.

8 posted on 07/11/2005 12:38:29 PM PDT by Huck (Conservatism jumped the shark with GWB.)
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To: NathanBookman

It's nice to see the press corp being as diligent about ROve as they were about Clinton's and the FBI files.
/scarcasm


9 posted on 07/11/2005 12:39:40 PM PDT by Leto
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To: NathanBookman
I agree that Rove didn't commit a crime. Then why lie about to the press afterwards? Why is there an investigation now? If Rove didn't do anything wrong, why did he lie all this time and NOW it comes out that it was him all along?

If Rove was a Democrat, everyone here would be demanding his resignaton.

10 posted on 07/11/2005 12:42:01 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13

when did Rove lie? and wasn't Rove the one who released Cooper from his confidentiality agreement?


11 posted on 07/11/2005 12:44:47 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: gridlock

You said: It must be July if we are dealing with things this stupid.

I for one am waiting for a little more explanation on this before I pooh-pooh it. The one thing I hate most about politics on both side is the tendency to defend personalities "on your team" just because they are "on your team." We are best off if we keep alert for any bad apples instead of being denial that they're out there, IMHO.


12 posted on 07/11/2005 12:49:27 PM PDT by arizonaconservative
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To: gridlock

You said: It must be July if we are dealing with things this stupid.

I for one am waiting for a little more explanation on this before I pooh-pooh it. The one thing I hate most about politics on both side is the tendency to defend personalities "on your team" just because they are "on your team." We are best off if we keep alert for any bad apples instead of being denial that they're out there, IMHO.


13 posted on 07/11/2005 12:49:48 PM PDT by arizonaconservative
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To: conserv13

You obviouly don't have a clue about this situation, I suggest you do some research and actually understand the circumstances before accusing others of being hypocrits.

There was never any lies told and there was never any law broken, and your thinking that someone would be calling for someones resignation when nothing was ever done wrong is hyperbole at the minimum.


14 posted on 07/11/2005 12:50:28 PM PDT by federal
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To: All; areafiftyone
Sillies... don't you realize that all these stories of leaks, corruption and conspiracy would stop if we did what the press wants us to do?! ELECT DEMOCRATS!
15 posted on 07/11/2005 12:51:20 PM PDT by johnny7 ('Deservin ain't got 'nothin to do with it! -Will Money)
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To: snorthwood1

If Rove resigns...over nothing but leftist made up crap, then we are done. You can say hello to President Mrs. Clinton.


17 posted on 07/11/2005 12:57:32 PM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Huck

Well, I dumped all TV in 1997 and miss nothing. When I am exposed to it in airports, etc., it is literally comical. I was in a friends hotel room yesterday after riding the STP and his tv was on with the sound off. These guys were on the TV for HOURS standing near crashing waves because of some hurricane. How long does it take to report a weather story? I am thinking maybe a minute with pictures.

It became high comedy to look at the screen from time to time and belittle the sense of urgency on they guys face or some other irrelevant piece of trivia he was trying to make appear to be important.


18 posted on 07/11/2005 12:59:00 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenance (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: vbmoneyspender; federal
Rove didn't lie? Maybe we should go after his lawyer then:

This is from the DrudgeReport:

But Rove did not leak the name of the CIA op Plame, Rove's lawyer said again Saturday night.

Robert Luskin said Rove never identified Plame to Cooper in those conversations.

"Karl did nothing wrong. Karl didn't disclose Valerie Plame's identity to Mr. Cooper or anybody else,'' Luskin said to the WASHINGTON POST. Luskin said the question remains unanswered: ``Who outed this woman? ... It wasn't Karl.''

19 posted on 07/11/2005 12:59:54 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: snorthwood1

You are a idiot ! And I'll bet you DU types are getting your panties all in a wad over nothing again.

If you actually knew anything but blind hatred you would know this is as big a non event as "the downing street memos". And will only leave you liberal freaks crying in your drug coctails again.........


20 posted on 07/11/2005 1:01:21 PM PDT by federal
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To: arizonaconservative
You would think that journalist would wait for a little more to come out before convicting Rove in the media. Actually from what has come out, it seems to me that Rove is completely innocent of what the special prosecutor is after. I believe (without proof yet, of course) that a government official, probably a Clinton appointee or sympathizer, is responsible. All this speculation about Rove seems to be cover for the Dems when the true identity comes out. That way when one of their own is outed they can claim "well what's so bad about that, Rove did it too." Classic Clinton politics.
21 posted on 07/11/2005 1:02:37 PM PDT by saleman
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To: conserv13
He did so because, even though it probably wasn't within the scope of the statute, it is a bit scummy to go after one who is viewed as a political enemy by spreading around info about his wife.

That's really the end of story. Some folks didn't like what Wilson wrote, so their response was to go after the wife. "Fair game." I don't care whether it is a violation of the statute or not - it is low class.

22 posted on 07/11/2005 1:04:39 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: federal
Seems mr snorthwood1 has left the building

This account has been banned or suspended.

23 posted on 07/11/2005 1:06:42 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Does it hurt when they shear your wool off?)
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To: saleman

It's obvious the media is now a de facto arm of the DNC.

This crazy story is all upside down. Perhaps the Wilson's broke the law with the "unofficial" trip to Niger. Perhaps Joe Wilson didn't have a security clearnance at the time nor was qualified for the trip. Maybe his only qualifications were being a DNC operative.

This story smells as much as the media revising our 15 year involvement with Iraq.


24 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:52 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: areafiftyone
Liberal Democrats were saddened the terrorist didn't bomb US commuter trains. It's always party politics over US interest for them.

Let's see:

Economy ------- A-ok
Unemployment -- A-ok
Afghanistan --- Liberated,Free Elections
Iraq ---------- Liberated,Free Elections
Terrorist ----- No US attacks outside Iraq & Afghanistan It must suck to be a democrat.

25 posted on 07/11/2005 1:12:15 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: NathanBookman
* Has Karl Rove routinely hidden behind confidentiality to spread damaging information about the White House's enemies?

No.

That was someone else in another Administration.

26 posted on 07/11/2005 1:13:07 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: conserv13

Again if you actually knew what you are speaking about you would know this.

Cooper had called Rove about Wilson's claim that the White House was lying about Saddam having tried to buy yellow cake from Africa. Rove told Cooper that Wilson's report did indeed confirm Saddam had tried to by yellow cake (which is true) but that also there were other sources that showed the same thing (which is also true).

When asked why Wilson was sent in the first place Karl Rove stated that his wife had lobbied for and won his appointment (which coincidently is against the law).

That is what transpired and Karl Rove neither lied or broke the law.


27 posted on 07/11/2005 1:13:45 PM PDT by federal
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To: federal
That is what transpired and Karl Rove neither lied or broke the law.

Well, they are investigating it now and we'll see what happens.

28 posted on 07/11/2005 1:24:00 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13

Rove did not lie. He always admitted that he talked to people, and said that he did not out her. The only thing that's changed is that Time Magazine now abandons its "sacred honor" and reports that Rove was its "source."

But its source for what? Rove never told them that Plame was covert. Apparently, the only thing Rove told them was that it was Plame's idea to send Wilson to Niger. So what?


29 posted on 07/11/2005 1:28:08 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I don't know what the believe, both sides are spinning this so much. I'll wait for the investigation and see what happens.


30 posted on 07/11/2005 1:32:25 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13
If Rove was a Democrat, everyone here would be demanding his resignaton.

I disagree. If Rove was a Democrat there would be no story and no one would make a big deal about it. I really don't get why anyone cares.

31 posted on 07/11/2005 1:37:03 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: RobRoy

I feel the same way. It's worthless. ESPECIALLY the "news" shows. That goes for Fox too. It's all infotainment.


32 posted on 07/11/2005 1:40:26 PM PDT by Huck (Conservatism jumped the shark with GWB.)
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To: conserv13
Why is there an investigation now?

There is a investigation right now because the democrats and the MSM demanded one. The investigation should have been shut down a long time ago. But what happens when you get a special prosecutor is that they get carried away. There seems to be nothing on Novac and Rove. So now Fitzgerald is going after the other reporters who are either not cooperating or telling the truth. I think everyone that is going around half cocked should wait for Fitzgerald to finish his witch hunt before mouthing off what to what Rove did or didn't do.

33 posted on 07/11/2005 1:55:41 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: conserv13
I agree that Rove didn't commit a crime. Then why lie about to the press afterwards?

I am not aware of Rove lying to the press about this matter. What are you referring to?

34 posted on 07/11/2005 1:59:37 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES!!)
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To: conserv13
You are paraphrasing a lawyer. That is not really useful in terms of advancing your argument. If you want to say what a lawyer said, quote him. Because 9 time out of 10 a lawyer includes weasel words that make what he says true, even if it is possible to easily misconstrue it.

Suppose, for instance, Luskin said that "Rove never revealed the name of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame to Cooper." That could be technically true, even if he Rove did talk to Cooper about Joe Wilson's wife. If Plame is not a CIA covert operative, it is true. If Rove revealed she was Wilson's wife, that does not mean he revealed her name. If Cooper asked him about Plame, and he did not reveal that she was a covert CIA operative, the statement is still true.

Like it or not, lawyers talk this way, particularly in prepared statements. So paraphrasing them is useless at best, and probably deceptive as well.

35 posted on 07/11/2005 2:08:47 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES!!)
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To: Brilliant

Miller is protecting a source other than Karl Rove. And I'm willing to bet it's...drum roll please...Joe Wilson. Or possibly Tenet or even Miller herself.

The biggest joke here is Wilson characterization of the comment's as "retaliation" that put his Emma Peel super-spy wife in danger. Rove was answering an obvious question. Why would the Bush admin send an anti-Bush ass clown like Joe Wilson on a mission of this sort.

Joe lied about his wife's role himself because he knew it made his story less credible.

This entire affair is soooo lame. Since when do the media go after government leakers. It's their lifeblood. I wish they were as eager to prosecute Mark Felt.


36 posted on 07/11/2005 4:03:42 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: snorthwood1
It is likely Rove will resign before the week is out.

Speculate all you want, Kerry still lost. I wonder what your rant will be about next week? By the way Ohio turned out and DSM is going, I'm not too worried.

37 posted on 07/11/2005 4:06:41 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Wristpin

You are absolutely right.

Rove state a fact about Joe Wilson's wife. Wilson was the one peddling nonsense.


38 posted on 07/11/2005 4:09:27 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: NathanBookman

The last I heard she was NOT a CIA agent but merely an analyse.


39 posted on 07/11/2005 4:10:39 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: federal

Remember when Kerry stated the name of a real CIA covert agent during the hearings over John Bolton?

I do and he was not the only one

http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html


40 posted on 07/11/2005 4:11:57 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: snorthwood1

You're kidding, right. If Rove resigns because of this trumped up nonsense, the right side of the blogosphere should turn in our keyboards because we allowed it to happen.


41 posted on 07/11/2005 4:12:15 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: NathanBookman

I just can't seem to care about this story. It strikes me as another in a long line of mountains out of molehills the press builds to make Bush look bad. Yawn...


42 posted on 07/11/2005 6:33:36 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Callahan

Yeah, I agree that Miller's source is someone else. I doubt it's Wilson himself. That would be incredibly shocking, I think. Tenet, possibly, but more likely, I think, it is this guy in Cheney's office, who's name I've forgotten, who was rumored to be the source in the first instance. I say it's not Tenet because Tenet supposedly tried to convince Novak not to publish the story, though he obviously goofed it big time. Also, it was Tenet who asked for the investigation.

The other possibility is that Miller made up the whole story out of whole cloth, which would be more in character for the NYT, afterall.


43 posted on 07/11/2005 6:56:09 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Are you thinking of Scooter Libby? I don't think Miller would fall on her sword to protect one of Cheney's guy.

Hell, it could have been Plame. The media already knew she worked for the CIA.


44 posted on 07/11/2005 7:43:54 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Callahan

Yeah, Miller would do that. I still think it's more likely though that when they finally get the notes, the notes will say that some low level Bozo told her--maybe the janitor, and everyone will then realize that the story was ghost written by Jayson Blair.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think they are going soft on her. Why don't they just bust into her office and seize the notes? I'm sure they could get a warrant.


45 posted on 07/11/2005 7:47:52 PM PDT by Brilliant
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