Skip to comments.'Judicial murder' and Terri Schiavo [by Nat Hentoff]
Posted on 07/11/2005 12:27:13 PM PDT by aculeus
While editorials across the nation agreed in chorus that at last, Terri Schiavo will rest in peace, the autopsy report declined such certainty:"It is the policy of this office that no case is ever closed and that all determinations are to be reconsidered upon receipt of credible, new information." Even if no new information surfaces, how Terri Schiavo was put to death is causing many Americans to confront their own death.
Pat Anderson, for a long time the attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents, said the day Terri died of dehydration as ordered by the courts and her husband: "Euthanasia in America now has a name and a face." Dr. Jon Thogmartin's autopsy report made clear that Terri Schiavo was not dying, let alone terminal. As Dr. Carl D'Angio wrote in a June 21 letter in the New York Times: "Her family loved what was left of her and asked only to be permitted to care for her at their own expense. My question is, who or what was better served by her passive execution by water deprivation than by the first alternative?"
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It's good to have him on our side.
Oh BOO HOO!
We have over a MILLION abortions a year and we are upset over an ADULT???
Give me a break!
He's too real for that -- more like a person's person. Nah, he transcends labels. I have no idea ... he's Hentoff, and that's good enough.
How many starved adults will it take to upset you?
Doesn't sound as if the "we" there includes you.
Euthanasia and abortion are promoted by the same scum including the ACLU. Or, some people are just Terri haters or Terri supporter haters. Are you one of them?
We better do something aboaut euthanasia and abortion. Let me see... No more judicial tyranny.
It's an ancient principle that every single life is precious.
Incidentally, Hentoff has never hesitated to speak out against abortion.
I'm upset at both, abortions and the death of Terri equally. Both are examples of our country at its worst.
Nat Hentoff gets it. Florida politicians and judges do not.
VOTE NO ON FLA SENATOR JIM KING in 2006.
Are you an adult? If you were starved and dehydrated to death, would anyone be upset? If I may answer that for you; Yes. A lot of people would be upset. A few people would complain about the majority of people not liking it. A handful of people would make jokes about it. There would be the usual comments about poetic justice. Most of us would be upset.
Hentoff sums it up perfectly.
"It's good to have him on our side."
A self described atheist and against the death penalty?
Do you think that Terri's life was any less precious to our Lord than any one of those aborted babies? All are precious in His sight.
The state allows the choice of abortion. The execution of Terri was ORDERED by the state.
Because they'll be killing both now. This is the slippery slope in action. Elderly, Disabled, Womb.
I saw a lot of comments like that when Roe v. Wade came into being. "It's just if the mother's life is in danger"; Living in a building where it's not unusual to see a 23 year old that's had five or six abortions...at the taxpayers expense, and children being taught about sex in the second and fourth grades...
Apparently you didn't see the House meeting on States and Insurance...I kept hearing that the elderly and disabled take up almost 70% of their funds (meaning...you guessed it, someones thinking about trimming the fat). Meanwhile, no one spoke about hospitals closing and the Medicaid/Medicare systems shutting down in states because of immigration.
Had those children been born, there would be no Social Security problem...most would be in the workforce, we wouldn't have to outsource or hire illegal immigrants.
As a mother of a disabled daughter, who was asked several times to disconnect her (She is perfectly fine...fourth grade, highest scores...walks, even though they said she never would...etc.), I ask if you can even imagine the terror going through the hearts of the disabled over this?
Would it matter if I told you they (Felos, lawyers for Euthanasia Society), went directly to fourteen states (two they have already), to file for right to death?
Yes, we are upset over one adult...that one adult is us. Do you also agree that a non-terminal patient (who by Florida Statues should not have been admitted to a hospice...Felos was on the board of directors), should be slowly starved to death? What does that say about our humanity? If you start with one...you'll go to the other.
People don't see what's happening right before their eyes. Where were the women's rights groups, ACLU...fighting for her to die. The same position they have for unborn females. This should tell you something.
Who were the dems who voted against Terri? Would love to have pictures with that...
To No. 3:
Agreed that the abortion issue is a tragesty. But to give an inch anywhere at this point is not just a minor point. It opens the door to extreme abuse, and if you don't think it possible read more about it from statistics in Holland. Now doctors as well as family feel it is their duty to terminate the ill, the aged, the newly born with serious challenges, etc. Consider this: How would you like it if your wife delivered a child premature and it had shallow breathing and severe jaundice, but otherwise after a struggle for a time for the lungs to mature, would likely live a normal life? Now walks in a nurse or doctor who feels that using ultraviolet light and O2 for a premie is a tragesty when resources could be used for something else. They decide on their own to pull the O2 and disconnect a few tubes and by 4 hours later the infant is in severe anoxia and having seizures. The doctor now decides that the baby has other significant problems and decides the baby should die. End of story.
When it's forty million I guess. Welcome to Nazi Germany.
A person's person who knows jazz -- cool.
Beautiful. You know McCabe dropped Jeb's investigation last week BTW.
And I say taxpayers should be offered a choice of whether they want to pay for abortions.
That would be a big image file.
A self described atheist and against the death penalty?
An atheist, true. But one with a nonetheless well-developed sense of right and wrong. A lot of good people are against the death penalty. The Pope, for one.
He's also an atheist who believes abortion qualifies as a legal sin -- he's characterized Roe v Wade as being the Dred Scott of the 20th century.
I repeat: It's good to have Hentoff on our side.
I find that some human possibilities, like compassion and zeal for justice, are not strictly divisible. Having compassion for one person does not decrease the "amount" of compassion available for all; in fact, it tends to increase it. Likewise having a zeal for justice for one person, opens up the channels of justice for others, too.
Try this. It works.
Yes, it would be...
Elsie seems to not care about life, regardless of age.
I think a better choice would be for the ones wanting an abortion to secure non-tax funding to pay for it or not have an abortion.
Taxation of pro-life folks to pay for some else's abortion forces the tacit consent of pro-lifers for abortion.
Government is consequentially perverting and dictating the terms of the religious, moral, and ethical beliefs of Citizens by forcing them to underwrite the cost of abortion and its support mechanisms.
The same could be said for the peculiar variety of sex education -- normalizing perverions in the public schools.
Elsie appears to Love Wife Abusers and Wife Murderers,those that will use the most heinous of Tortures to complete their task of Murdering an innocent person.Maybe I am wrong, but thats the way it looks from here.
So using your logic, one hit-and-run fatality is nothing. You'll just wait until the hit-and-run fatalities get into the millions before you get upset?
BTW, I vaguely remember you from older threads. You're one of FR's pro-abortion token leftists.
Barf. One of the most disgusting sights-- pro-death (R)'s.
Terri's individual case was surely a states rights case and as such I will NOT voluntarily support the state of Florida. What was a federal case though is the federal condemnation of the Nazi tactic of ridding society of innocent, but undesirable citizens employed by the state of Florida.
This practice MUST be condemned and banned by the United States government regardless of what the individual states do.
Being a disabled person myself if this practice is allowed to spread then it is only a matter of time for me.
At what level of disability do you consider a person to have lost their right to life under the Constitution?
Now the critical factor is this: HE HAS A FEEDING TUBE! I didn't even notice it and was told only later.
I wonder how many people would say he should be killed like Terri Schindler (-schiavo) because of a feeding tube? That's no more a life-support system than a wheelchair is.
The 'door' has BEEN open for years.
NOTHING will get any better on this slippery slope UNTIL abortion is illegal again.
That is the elephant in the room!
Did you miss the implied sarcasm tag??
Your rememberer is REALLY vague, indeed!
...but I'm NOT the one that has the POWER to DO anything about these crimes.
What part of "life, liberty, pursuit of happines" don't the courts seem to understand?
Our Founders wanted all to clearly understand that none of these God-given (natural) rights could be taken away unless we did something specific to cause that loss and that that action was to be proven before a jury of our peers or due process of law. The fifth amendment makes it clear that even if we are accused of a crime we do not lose our basic rights. The proper implementation of habeaus corpus helps guarantee these rights, including the basic right to life, using the exact language which Jefferson originally used in the Declaration: "no person (an unborn baby is a person) shall... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of the law."
The fourteenth amendment reiterates this basic principle: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."
Can anyone tell us what crimes unborn children have committed for which they should lose their lives? Of course agruments which support abortion are pure nonsense and evil in nature.
This goes directly to the heart of Roe v. Wade and unequivocably proves that the Supreme Court made an unconstitutional decision. This is specifically why the pro-abortion folks do not want unborn children recognized as a "person."
|If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. -- , Federalist No. 29|
Truth is violated by falsehood,
but it is outraged by silence.