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'Judicial murder' and Terri Schiavo [by Nat Hentoff]
The Washington Times ^ | July 11, 2005 | Nat Hentoff

Posted on 07/11/2005 12:27:13 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: floriduh voter

Barf. One of the most disgusting sights-- pro-death (R)'s.


41 posted on 07/11/2005 3:15:56 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: aculeus
Terri's death was in my opinion a judicially sanctioned and supported murder. I am not intimately involved enough in her case to make an opinion any further, but I can repeat my personal exeriences with people repeating the lie perpetrated by the mainstream media. The MSM characterized her condition as vegetative and on life support without describing her as needing a simple feeding tube unlike the mental images conjured up of breathing machines and such.

Terri's individual case was surely a states rights case and as such I will NOT voluntarily support the state of Florida. What was a federal case though is the federal condemnation of the Nazi tactic of ridding society of innocent, but undesirable citizens employed by the state of Florida.

This practice MUST be condemned and banned by the United States government regardless of what the individual states do.

Being a disabled person myself if this practice is allowed to spread then it is only a matter of time for me.

42 posted on 07/11/2005 3:48:57 PM PDT by libill (The first casualty of War is Truth-disputed origin)
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To: Elsie

At what level of disability do you consider a person to have lost their right to life under the Constitution?


43 posted on 07/11/2005 4:12:46 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: libill
Speaking of that, we just visited an uncle who is in a nursing home for a few days, and he was sitting up talking and joking. He has a little difficulty walking but gets an hour therapy a day.

Now the critical factor is this: HE HAS A FEEDING TUBE! I didn't even notice it and was told only later.

I wonder how many people would say he should be killed like Terri Schindler (-schiavo) because of a feeding tube? That's no more a life-support system than a wheelchair is.

44 posted on 07/11/2005 4:50:50 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Shery; All

The 'door' has BEEN open for years.

NOTHING will get any better on this slippery slope UNTIL abortion is illegal again.


That is the elephant in the room!


45 posted on 07/11/2005 5:20:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Halls

Did you miss the implied sarcasm tag??


46 posted on 07/11/2005 5:21:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: k2blader

Your rememberer is REALLY vague, indeed!

(And wrong...)


47 posted on 07/11/2005 5:23:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: nina0113
Ah...

...but I'm NOT the one that has the POWER to DO anything about these crimes.

What part of "life, liberty, pursuit of happines" don't the courts seem to understand?

48 posted on 07/11/2005 5:35:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Our Founders wanted all to clearly understand that none of these God-given (natural) rights could be taken away unless we did something specific to cause that loss and that that action was to be proven before a jury of our peers or due process of law. The fifth amendment makes it clear that even if we are accused of a crime we do not lose our basic rights. The proper implementation of habeaus corpus helps guarantee these rights, including the basic right to life, using the exact language which Jefferson originally used in the Declaration: "no person (an unborn baby is a person) shall... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of the law."

The fourteenth amendment reiterates this basic principle: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Can anyone tell us what crimes unborn children have committed for which they should lose their lives? Of course agruments which support abortion are pure nonsense and evil in nature.

This goes directly to the heart of Roe v. Wade and unequivocably proves that the Supreme Court made an unconstitutional decision. This is specifically why the pro-abortion folks do not want unborn children recognized as a "person."




(And why Terri was declared to be a 'non-person' to be able to eliminate her.)


49 posted on 07/11/2005 5:38:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie; All



If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. -- , Federalist No. 29 Quote on Government
LC
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Truth is violated by falsehood,
 but it is outraged by silence.

50 posted on 07/11/2005 5:39:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"I find that some human possibilities, like compassion and zeal for justice, are not strictly divisible. Having compassion for one person does not decrease the "amount" of compassion available for all; in fact, it tends to increase it. Likewise having a zeal for justice for one person, opens up the channels of justice for others, too."

Indivisible human rights. Cut one of us -- all bleed.


The snake was the first symbol of America. A symbol designed and published by Ben Franklin, for a snake -- being in parts it would die, all parts were needed all joined if any were to survive.

Likewise Moses was directed to make a copper snake on a pole in order to cure the Israelites of a plague that sweeping through the assembled tribes.


51 posted on 07/11/2005 5:46:05 PM PDT by bvw
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Nat Hentoff rocks when it comes to prolife.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

52 posted on 07/11/2005 6:29:21 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback ("James...Earn this...Earn it.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Very nice.

Love seems to have its own arithmetic. The faster you give it away, the more it multiplies.

53 posted on 07/11/2005 7:19:57 PM PDT by T'wit (If any liberals get to Heaven, they'll tell God what's wrong with it and reform it all to Hell.)
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To: All

Please help the LIFE issue by calling the president at 202-456-1111, or e-mailing him at president@whitehouse.gov, and asking him to pick judicial nominees, like Scalia and Thomas as he promised in his campaigns. While the president is not perfect, so far, he has kept his campaign promises.


54 posted on 07/11/2005 8:04:21 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: All

More on the judiciary. I received this via e-mail from frc.org:

Give 'Em War, Schumer Calls for Camp David Summit

Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who last week called for war
on ANY nominee President Bush might appoint to the Supreme
Court, now wishes to negotiate at Camp David with the
President on picking a "consensus" judicial nominee.
Merriam-Webster Online defines consensus as the judgment
arrived at by most of those concerned. The U.S.
Constitution grants the sole power of nominating a Supreme
Court justice to the President and allows the Senate
(currently being controlled by the President's own party)
to then vote on that nominee. Any effort by the President
to include the Senate's minority party, the Democrats, is
done out of President Bush's goodwill.

Senator Schumer, in an op-ed published today in the New
York Daily News, cites President Bill Clinton nominee Ruth
Bader Ginsburg as an example of a "consensus candidate."
Justice Ginsburg had a long history of liberal activism
before joining the Supreme Court, including advocating for
the elimination of Mother's and Father's Day. Schumer's
words of last week, refusing to support any nominee put
forth by the President, belie any chatter this week about
"peace talks" and "consensus." This week FRC is airing
radio ads in selected markets calling for Senate Judiciary
Members Schumer and Ted Kennedy (D-MA) to recuse themselves
from Supreme Court nomination hearings. These Senators
have already polluted the process of judicial nominations -
they should not be allowed to run roughshod over the U.S.
Constitution.


55 posted on 07/11/2005 8:05:39 PM PDT by Sun (Call the U.S. SELL-OUT senators toll-free, 1-877-762-8762 & give 'em "heck.")
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To: floriduh voter
Everyone..please, support the National Right to life.

It appears we need some group muscle to fight this slippery slope.

56 posted on 07/11/2005 11:14:32 PM PDT by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants_"Where there is life, there is hope"..Terri Schindler)
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To: Smartaleck; floriduh voter

"A self described atheist and against the death penalty?"

Remember from our lengthy thread of last month, indeed atheists joined forces with us in support of Terri. They were horrified at the implications, too.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1416995/posts#comment?q=1


57 posted on 07/12/2005 1:06:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (www.ChristtheKingMaine.com)
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To: LaFlorida

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.


58 posted on 07/12/2005 2:02:15 AM PDT by Maggie4life (Who is pulling the strings now?)
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To: LaFlorida

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.


59 posted on 07/12/2005 2:08:56 AM PDT by Maggie4life (Who is pulling the strings now?)
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To: LaFlorida

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.


60 posted on 07/12/2005 2:24:26 AM PDT by Maggie4life (Who is pulling the strings now?)
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