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To: aculeus

Oh BOO HOO!


We have over a MILLION abortions a year and we are upset over an ADULT???


Give me a break!


3 posted on 07/11/2005 12:40:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

How many starved adults will it take to upset you?


8 posted on 07/11/2005 12:46:32 PM PDT by tutstar ( <{{--->< OurFlorida.true.ws Impeach Judge Greer)
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To: Elsie
We have over a MILLION abortions a year and we are upset over an ADULT???

Doesn't sound as if the "we" there includes you.

10 posted on 07/11/2005 12:52:14 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Elsie
You don't grasp that this opens the door for many other disabled people to be murdered? That means children and adults. Terri is a symbol for the disabled community. This is often overlooked. The disabled community knows full well this puts them in danger.

Euthanasia and abortion are promoted by the same scum including the ACLU. Or, some people are just Terri haters or Terri supporter haters. Are you one of them?

11 posted on 07/11/2005 12:52:38 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.terrisfight.org & www.conservative-spirit.org... The Schindlers "Never again.")
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To: Elsie

It's an ancient principle that every single life is precious.

Incidentally, Hentoff has never hesitated to speak out against abortion.


13 posted on 07/11/2005 12:54:45 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Elsie

I'm upset at both, abortions and the death of Terri equally. Both are examples of our country at its worst.


14 posted on 07/11/2005 12:55:46 PM PDT by BloomNTn
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To: Elsie

Are you an adult? If you were starved and dehydrated to death, would anyone be upset? If I may answer that for you; Yes. A lot of people would be upset. A few people would complain about the majority of people not liking it. A handful of people would make jokes about it. There would be the usual comments about poetic justice. Most of us would be upset.


18 posted on 07/11/2005 1:04:22 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Elsie

Do you think that Terri's life was any less precious to our Lord than any one of those aborted babies? All are precious in His sight.


21 posted on 07/11/2005 1:10:25 PM PDT by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: Elsie

The state allows the choice of abortion. The execution of Terri was ORDERED by the state.


22 posted on 07/11/2005 1:10:40 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: Elsie

Because they'll be killing both now. This is the slippery slope in action. Elderly, Disabled, Womb.

I saw a lot of comments like that when Roe v. Wade came into being. "It's just if the mother's life is in danger"; Living in a building where it's not unusual to see a 23 year old that's had five or six abortions...at the taxpayers expense, and children being taught about sex in the second and fourth grades...

Apparently you didn't see the House meeting on States and Insurance...I kept hearing that the elderly and disabled take up almost 70% of their funds (meaning...you guessed it, someones thinking about trimming the fat). Meanwhile, no one spoke about hospitals closing and the Medicaid/Medicare systems shutting down in states because of immigration.

Had those children been born, there would be no Social Security problem...most would be in the workforce, we wouldn't have to outsource or hire illegal immigrants.

As a mother of a disabled daughter, who was asked several times to disconnect her (She is perfectly fine...fourth grade, highest scores...walks, even though they said she never would...etc.), I ask if you can even imagine the terror going through the hearts of the disabled over this?
Would it matter if I told you they (Felos, lawyers for Euthanasia Society), went directly to fourteen states (two they have already), to file for right to death?

Yes, we are upset over one adult...that one adult is us. Do you also agree that a non-terminal patient (who by Florida Statues should not have been admitted to a hospice...Felos was on the board of directors), should be slowly starved to death? What does that say about our humanity? If you start with one...you'll go to the other.

People don't see what's happening right before their eyes. Where were the women's rights groups, ACLU...fighting for her to die. The same position they have for unborn females. This should tell you something.


23 posted on 07/11/2005 1:11:51 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Elsie

To No. 3:

Agreed that the abortion issue is a tragesty. But to give an inch anywhere at this point is not just a minor point. It opens the door to extreme abuse, and if you don't think it possible read more about it from statistics in Holland. Now doctors as well as family feel it is their duty to terminate the ill, the aged, the newly born with serious challenges, etc. Consider this: How would you like it if your wife delivered a child premature and it had shallow breathing and severe jaundice, but otherwise after a struggle for a time for the lungs to mature, would likely live a normal life? Now walks in a nurse or doctor who feels that using ultraviolet light and O2 for a premie is a tragesty when resources could be used for something else. They decide on their own to pull the O2 and disconnect a few tubes and by 4 hours later the infant is in severe anoxia and having seizures. The doctor now decides that the baby has other significant problems and decides the baby should die. End of story.


25 posted on 07/11/2005 1:12:51 PM PDT by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Elsie
You wrote: "Oh BOO HOO!...We have over a MILLION abortions a year and we are upset over an ADULT???...Give me a break!"

I find that some human possibilities, like compassion and zeal for justice, are not strictly divisible. Having compassion for one person does not decrease the "amount" of compassion available for all; in fact, it tends to increase it. Likewise having a zeal for justice for one person, opens up the channels of justice for others, too.

Try this. It works.

32 posted on 07/11/2005 1:25:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life.)
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To: Elsie

So using your logic, one hit-and-run fatality is nothing. You'll just wait until the hit-and-run fatalities get into the millions before you get upset?

BTW, I vaguely remember you from older threads. You're one of FR's pro-abortion token leftists.


40 posted on 07/11/2005 3:14:24 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Elsie

At what level of disability do you consider a person to have lost their right to life under the Constitution?


43 posted on 07/11/2005 4:12:46 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: LaFlorida

Michael Schiavo was never a pawn in the end game. He was the instigator. George Felos was a part of the end game but he was never the puppet master. Michael Schiavo remained the puppet master.

On the other hand if anyone is familiar with the hit movie Chicago, I can visualise George Felos in the starring lawyer role. He is just like the tap dancer in that movie. He and his cronies managed to do a lot of tap dancing as they pulled the strings of the MSM.

Michael Schiavo used the euthanasia movement to arrange the killing of his wife. The euthanasia movement, represented by Felos, Greer, Cranford and others used Terri Schiavo as their ticket to fame and a new legal nightmare.


60 posted on 07/12/2005 2:24:26 AM PDT by Maggie4life (Who is pulling the strings now?)
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To: Elsie
Your flip comments regarding Terri merely reflect your callousness and lack of compassion. Terri was denied due process and was killed in a barbaric way not even permitted for mad dogs or the worst of criminals. There are numerous implications involved in her case, including assigning guardianship to a sadistic sociopath with vested interest, the frightening power of judges, etc.

I recommend that you read the article by Martin Katz in "The American Thinker" (posted also on FR) and Mark Fuhrman's excellent book, "The Silent Witness." You may still disagree with those of us who supported Terri, but at least you might understand why we did.

61 posted on 07/12/2005 3:25:17 AM PDT by Dante3
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