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Plame, By Any Other Name: Does Rove's current position pass the smell test?
Wash. Post ^ | Monday, July 11, 2005; 1:21 PM | Dan Froooooomkin

Posted on 07/11/2005 12:53:39 PM PDT by rface

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To: speedy
This may finally be the manufactured "scandal" that has some traction for the Rats. Hope I am wrong.

You are wrong.

61 posted on 07/11/2005 1:32:03 PM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: MortMan
Please keep in mind that this article is reporting how other journalists reported as if it were the gospel truth - rumor mongering at its best. Let's get the facts, then decide

Correct...all we have so far is an email.

I got one from the Atty General of Nigeria just the other day.
Said he had some money.......

62 posted on 07/11/2005 1:32:54 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: speedy
but much as it pains to say it, he really could have a problem, at least a bad PR problem.

The average voter on the street has no clue who Rove is. Unfortunate but true.

63 posted on 07/11/2005 1:33:59 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: speedy
Plus they'll be getting testimony from Bush...

You need to stop your knee jerk reaction my fellow freeper. President Bush testifying in this?! Give me a break.

64 posted on 07/11/2005 1:36:49 PM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: rface
It's weird how the comments on this thread are more or less the same as the ones when the "scandal" first broke.

I think my theory then was that someone in the Administration chain of command used a leak to play hardball - to discredit Wilson. Amidst people predicting the incident was meaningless and would soon blow over, I thought it had the makings to be kept alive as a "scandal" for a long time.

The components of the case lend themselves to the typical Democrat-water-carrying MSM distortion. Like the way they portray the GOP aide who found Democrat memos as having been in effect hacking their computers.

65 posted on 07/11/2005 1:37:16 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: rface
"There is no longer any question that top presidential adviser Karl Rove is a key player in the Valerie Plame case."

Really. How's that? The available information says that Rove was *a* source - and nowhere is it said that there weren't others. So how does that make him a "key player?"

"The latest news reports indicate that Rove is the source who Cooper was trying to protect until last week -- and that Rove tipped Cooper about Plame three days before Robert Novak published his now-famous column exposing Plame's identity."

No. The latest news reports indicate that Rove was *a* source. The latest reports do not "indicate that he was *the* source for anything. And the "latest reports" have absolutely nothing to say about whether or not Rove mentioned Plame's name, or for that matter if he even knew her name.

So, I guess we're left with the usual exaggerated nonsense from the Leftists in the news media.

66 posted on 07/11/2005 1:37:25 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: benben
Yes, but this whole issue strikes at the core of something very significant

I cannot imagine what you think is signicant, but I do note that this is your very first day on FR.

Do enlighten us.

67 posted on 07/11/2005 1:37:26 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: rface
so how bad is it???

Nothing really new in this story. It's a re-hash.

It's not that bad. Rove didn't lay it all out for the Time, Inc. reporter, Cooper.

That's why his lawyer can say he didn't knowingly disclose any confidential information. Cooper may have already had the information when he interviewed Rove.

Of course, Lawrence O'Donnell will tell us it's all true and Rove is a scumbag to top it off and it's a major scoop for Lawrence O'Donnell. Apparently he is privy to the e-mails Cooper sent to his bosses that have been handed over to the grand jury. (I really doubt that. He just hates Rove.)

68 posted on 07/11/2005 1:39:01 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: rface

They dont have a thing. Read the email, if any thing, Rove is warning Cooper off. The left wanted a scandal, and they got it. Except just like all the other manufactured scandals, its backfiring on them.


69 posted on 07/11/2005 1:41:18 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Relocate Guantanamo inmates to Dick "Rhymes with Turban" Durbin's house..)
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The only outing was of Joe Wilson as a smarmy little prick....


70 posted on 07/11/2005 1:42:49 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Liberals preach comity and practice calumny.)
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To: johnmecainrino
What a waste of time this case is. By the way I don't remember the liberal media going after Sandy Berger.

Hey, he was sentenced on the 8th, wasnt he?

71 posted on 07/11/2005 1:42:52 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Relocate Guantanamo inmates to Dick "Rhymes with Turban" Durbin's house..)
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To: rface

The fact that a reporter is going jail makes me positive that it is not Rove. He would never allow that to happen, he is the ultimate opposite of Clinton and Co.


72 posted on 07/11/2005 1:43:20 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: rface

A better question is does the media's position pass the smell test? Cooper spent the last 1-1/2 years resisting the production of these notes, and now he suddenly produces them to avoid jail, explaining that his "confidential" source did not object, and in fact, wanted him to disclose them.


73 posted on 07/11/2005 1:44:30 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Miller's source is obviously not Rove. She knows that Rove was Cooper's source, and that Rove gave him permission to disclose the notes. If she's going to jail to protect Rove's identity, then she is a bigger fool than I thought... And that is a pretty big fool!


74 posted on 07/11/2005 1:46:52 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: rface

Hate to say it, but my guess is Rove will resign in the next day or so.


75 posted on 07/11/2005 1:47:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: benben; Admin Moderator

I think we need a troll alert here!


76 posted on 07/11/2005 1:48:41 PM PDT by Chuck54 (Someone please ping me when Barak Obama utters an original thought.)
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To: Judith Anne

The Rove threads are attracting a lot of trolls in the last few weeks. The left are having yet another fake orgasm, number “1,875,603”, about a scandal that in their insane delusional mind will destroy the Bush Presidency. That is why the Dummies are coming on these threads to post their stupid delusional stuff. Like the many fake orgasms and early fake victories that the left have hallucinated about in the last 4 ½ years against President Bush, his administration, and his policies, this Rove/Plame no story will all end up crushed under the bitter weight of reality. And as usual the liberals will suffer another devastating defeat.


77 posted on 07/11/2005 1:50:16 PM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: Chuck54

i suppose i'm the troll. i'm new at this. what does this mean?


78 posted on 07/11/2005 1:51:42 PM PDT by benben
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To: Terabitten

I expect Rove will be found to have done nothing illegal. It appears that he was trying to prevent Cooper from making a factual error in a story Cooper was writing. As you say, only time will tell.


79 posted on 07/11/2005 1:53:10 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Judith Anne

"She and her hubby are considered people who don't know how to keep their mouths shut. Wonder what Val's actual clearance level was? Bet it wasn't much. With a hubby like that, it couldn't be."

Maybe not. I imagine much of the non-proliferation information is sourced from HUMINT which has stratospheric classification levels.

Which leads to the next question. Since Joe Wilson had not been in the employ of the US Government for over 4 years, did he have a security clearance W/ current 5 year background investigation? Did Plame's DNC shadow cell break the law by giving an uncleared individual access to highly classified information?

Can't wait to see the results of the investigation!


80 posted on 07/11/2005 1:53:38 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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