Skip to comments.INSIDE POLITICS---CNN Transcript Isikoff/Crowley
Posted on 07/11/2005 4:06:17 PM PDT by hipaatwo
CROWLEY: In the latest ease additions of Newsweek, reporter Michael Isikoff quotes attorneys who say that White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove was a source for TIME magazine reporter Matt Cooper. Cooper, of course, is at the center of the grand jury investigation involving the leak of a CIA employee's identity.
So a couple of things about this story. First, what we do know at this point about Rove's relationship to this leak?
MICHAEL ISIKOFF, REPORTER, NEWSWEEK: I should say, we did more than quote attorneys. What we did is we obtained an internal TIME magazine e-mail that Matt Cooper wrote to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy, immediately after talking to Karl Rove on July 11th, that's before the Novak column, in which he says: "Double super-secret background, not to be attributed to the White House or Rove, but Rove gave me a big warning about some of what Joe Wilson has been saying. He wasn't sent to Niger by George Tenet or Vice President Cheney, it was Wilson's wife who apparently works at the agency on WMD issues who authorized the trip." That's the quote from Matt Cooper to his editor right after talking to Karl Rove.
What that tells us is that Karl Rove did indeed discuss Joe Wilson, Joe Wilson's wife, Joe Wilson's wife's employment with a reporter, Matt Cooper, prior to the Robert Novak column. That would seem to conflict with many of the White House public statements at the time, and certainly some of what Karl Rove's lawyer had been saying publicly up until we got hold of this e-mail.
It doesn't answer underlying questions here. For one thing, as many people have pointed out, and we pointed out, Karl Rove doesn't identify Valerie Plame by name, so that's an important distinction.
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ISIKOFF: But the problem that people in the White House, Rove among them, may have is how did they know that Valerie Plame, or Wilson's wife worked at the CIA? What we do know is there was a classified State Department report that said this, that was taken by Secretary of State Powell with him on the trip to Africa that President Bush was then on, and many senior White House aides were on.
That classified State Department report appears to have been -- or may well have been the source for the information that Rove and others were then dishing out to reporters. And if that's the case, there still may be -- we don't know yet, but there still may be an instance where classified information was provided to reporters.
No problem that Wilson himself was disclosing this stuff piece-meal, of course, or that he's a LYING SCUMBAG.
It's going to be all Rove all the time all summer. The same kind of people who thought Ellsberg was a hero for leaking REAL classified information will be outraged -- outraged -- at this most trivial of leaks, if it even qualifies as a leak, which has not been established. Still, you wonder why Rove would even talk to a guy like Cooper, who is after all married to noted Clintonista Mandy Grunwald. Why ever? Our side will never ever learn about the MSM, if they get burned a million times.
Rove isn't going anywhere. This is all BS.
Speedy!!! Nice to FReep you! Want a soft pretzel? LOL
If the prosecutor ends up with nothing, then what will the Dems do. I guess smear the prosecutor.
Wilson goes to the DNC/MSM and tells bald faced lies about that classified report.
So the Administration has to defend itself by saying the report did indeed show Saddam was trying to buy yellow cake.
So now the DNC/MSM is going to shift the focus to say that a classified document was disclosed to the media, as if that has ever bothered them when the document is used against the President.
You know I have avoided saying this but I do believe President should just cut off the media especially the one which just spin the information.
On the guest list of the 1999 state dinner hosted by President Clinton for President Jerry Rawlings of Ghana, no occupation was listed for Valerie Wilson, the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV, Clinton's top White House Africa analyst from 1997 to 1998.
Wow! Do you still have that article? Maybe repost it.
Isikoff may have wet his pants again.
Hiya hipaa -- yeah, that soft pretzel sounds pretty good, direct from Wawa. I'll supply the mustard and the Black Cherry Wishniak. Yes, if there is nothing to prosecute, Fitzgerald will be slandered. Why did Bush even go along with this business? Special prosecutors are always self-perpetuating and always feel obligated to extend their jobs on for years and years.
Please correct me if Im wrong...does the SP have to tell the *target*(of the investigation)that he is the target.....I remember reading a long time ago that he does.
Wow, I'm impressed. What investigative skills this must have involved. /sarcasm. What a bunch of self-important tools. I'm looking forward to their big disappointment in this matter (as well as three more years of their bunched panties)...
May be nothing. But if this is true, some pretty shoddy handling by the W.H. of this whole matter. I told everyone long ago that it was a big mistake for Bush to have ever named someone to investigate this trivial matter. All he did was give the press a golden opportunity to create a scandal out of nothing.
That classified State Department report appears to have been-- or may well have been the source for the information that Rove and others were then dishing out to reporters. And if that's the case, there still may be -- we don't know yet, but there still may be an instance where classified information was provided to reporters.
Since Isikoff knows darned well that it only appears to be what all the dadblasted 'journalists' and drooling Dims want it to be, why not just conjure up a bit of magic, sleight of words, if you will, get the verbal fog machine going and by golly, you've got Rove in handcuffs before the end of the first act! (pssst! Don't leave during intermission. The second act is called 'Impeachment' and they're taking the show on the road.)
Can't have a soft pretzel without water ice.
I don't know why the president went to a special prosecutor. I wasn't a political junkie back then. I don't think Rove is guilty. Hell, look what Sandy Berger did and he got slapped on the wrist and the press is mum about that issue. I guess it's not important because it's only national security and he was in the Clinton administration.
BTW, Isikoff is playing the wordsmith here with his smarmy lines about Rove.
I fart in Isikoff's general direction.
don't be shocked to see Rove out of there by Labor Day, and the RATSs with their SCANDAL for 2006 and beyond. The press will make sure this explodes.
" ....CIA brought Plame and others back to Washington .... Aldrich Aimes had disclosed their identities to the Russians before his arrest in 1994."
Isn't there a only a five year period after covert operations that exposing the agent's role and identify is in effect ... after that they're no longer covered by the law that is being prosecuted here? If she came back in '94, and the ID was revealed in '02, or '03, what's the crime ?
And that will be a good thing. Rove is setting them up.
Not really, he never mentioned her name. They got the name from someone else, my bets is Bill or Hellery, since these two idots were known WH visitors .
Yeah, and you were wrong then, and you are wrong now. You should pay better attention to what is actually happening.
Who is Isikoff but a self-proclaimed hero, (ala Kerry), for keeping the lid on the Lewinsky story?
Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, is a CIA official who monitors the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction .
She has described herself as an energy analyst for the private company Brewster Jennings & Associates, which was subsequently acknowledged by the CIA as a front. It has been reported that this cover was not executed very convincingly.
Plame is the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Wilson is her second husband. Plame met him at a Washington party in early 1997. She was able to reveal her CIA role to him while they were dating because he held a high-level security clearance. At the time Wilson was married to, but separated from, his second wife Jacqueline, a former French diplomat. Wilson and Plame are the parents of five-year old twins.
A July 11, 2003 e-mail from Cooper to his bureau chief indicated that Rove had told Cooper that it was Wilson's wife who authorized her husband's trip to Niger, mentioning that she "apparently" worked at the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues. Newsweek reported that nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggested that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative. ()
In other interviews Novak confirmed that his sources warned him not to mention Plame. His motivation to disregard the warnings is suggested by this comment in "The CIA Leak:" "I was curious why a high-ranking official in President Bill Clinton's National Security Council (NSC) was given this assignment." Just four days before he revealed Plame's name Novak wrote, "Bush's Enemy Within." Therein Novak excoriates the Bush Administration's appointment of Frances Fragos Townsend to an important national security post explaining she could later betray Bush because two of her former superiors were liberal democrats and she had served in the US Attorney's office in Manhattan. According to Novak this office was "notoriously liberal laden."
"'Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this,' Novak said on CNN, saying the information was disclosed to him while he was interviewing a senior Bush administration official.... Novak said the administration official told him in July that Wilson's trip was 'inspired by his wife,' and that the CIA confirmed her 'involvement in the mission for her husband.' ... 'They asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else,' he said, adding that a source at the CIA told him Plame was 'an analyst -- not a covert operator and not in charge of undercover operators.'"
Rove needs to voluntarily move on to his next career ASAP.
Nah. We still don't know if it was Rove who released Cooper last week; remember, Rove was "a" source.....spin spin spin by the media.
Secrets of the Scandel New York Times, October 11, 2003
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
I take it you're a weenie who believes the spin?
None of this is hard to figure out; it was all widely reported when the Intelligence Committee's report was issued in July 2004. There is no excuse for an AP reporter not knowing these basic facts.
The Intelligence Committee report confirmed that Valerie Plame did indeed--contrary to Joe Wilson's denials--recommend her husband for the Niger assignment. The report quotes Plame's memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations dated February 12, 2002, which said that her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." Why do prominent newspapers like the Boston Globe print op-eds by writers who don't know any facts?
Kuttner says "the administration" leaked Plame's name to Robert Novak as "part of a clumsy campaign to discredit and punish Wilson." This is dumb. First of all, Novak has already explained the context of the "leak." Many people wondered why the CIA sent such an unsuitable person as Joe Wilson on the Niger mission; someone in the administration explained to Novak that Wilson was selected because his wife worked for the Agency. Which, of course, turned out to be true.
But, in any event, why would that "discredit and punish Wilson"? The fact that his wife is a CIA employee doesn't discredit Wilson in the least. And her employment status is anything but a deep dark secret, as her subsequent Vanity Fair photo shoot demonstrated.
Kuttner now makes the real point of his column, titled "Politics Taints Probe of CIA Leak." His purpose is to libel U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.
I couldn't disagree with you more.
People in government and various Administrations talk to reporters all the time in Washington. That's how reporters get their stories. It's nothing new. But its also a politically dirty town. Give people a rope, and they'll hang you with it.
First, the C.I.A. suspected that Aldrich Ames had given Mrs. Wilson's name (along with those of other spies) to the Russians before his espionage arrest in 1994. So her undercover security was undermined at that time, and she was brought back to Washington for safety reasons.
Second, as Mrs. Wilson rose in the agency, she was already in transition away from undercover work to management, and to liaison roles with other intelligence agencies. So this year, even before she was outed, she was moving away from "noc" which means non-official cover, like pretending to be a business executive. After passing as an energy analyst for Brewster-Jennings & Associates, a C.I.A. front company, she was switching to a new cover as a State Department official, affording her diplomatic protection without having "C.I.A." stamped on her forehead.
How many "Watergates" have the libs felt they have found on Bush? 5, 10, 15? And they all end the same way...in disappointment for the libs. I am going enjoy watching them lose #16.
I have to agree with Redwood on this one. Rove should have admitted that he talked to a reporter a long time ago. He will probably resign in the next day or two.
Why? We don't know that he's done anything wrong and, it's so much fun watching him make the libs and media hyperventilate and wet themselves.
I disagree. Plame was not outed by anyone at the W.H. As Novak and others have said, half of social Washington already knew her real name and what she did. She should have been suspended from covert activities long ago due to this indisretion. There is no crime whatsoever, therefore no reason to appoint a special investigator.
Baloney. Did you read #25? If you didn't, I highly suggest you do so.
Ahem. Rove DID "admit" he spoke with the press. Publicly and presumably to the Grand Jury.
We have all known that Rove spoke with Cooper and others. What he denies and what #25 above confirms is that he named Plame by name.
Not to mention that the reporter could have weel been ltying in the email. Just because he sent it doesn't make it so. Are we to beklieve they would be too good to do this just to porduce "evidence" against Rove. What BS.
I'll bet on that, there is no way Karl Rove has done anything and he won't resign.
As far as admitting anything about the investigation the special prosecutor told all of them not to comment on the investigation, That's why none of them have responded to all the BS speculation.
Thank you for your posts that put all of this in honest perspective.
Keep up the great work.
ABC news tonight admitted it proves nothing.
Yes, but he should have admitted it to the guy in the Oval Office. The White House has been standing behind him. Not good to hide the truth from the boss.
I don't believe Rove can be indicted or convicted.
I want to subpoena the Meet the Press producers. I want to subpoena Walter Pincus at the Washington Post. I want to know when they first found out they would have an opportunity to interview a former Ambassador about the Niger/Yellowcake matter. Who pitched the story to them, and when?
Here's what I think. I think the Niger trip was set up from the get-go as a press stunt designed to benefit Kerry's election prospects. It was set up by somebody with one foot in the Kerry camp and one foot in the Clinton camp... somebody who could actually arrange for this guy no one ever heard of to get his op-ed into the New York Times, be featured in an article in the Washington Post, and appear on Meet the Press, all on the same day. John McCain couldn't pull off such a trifecta, and here is some third-tier Clinton aide doing it. What's that smell?
So they think up the press stunt. It'll be great. It'll discredit Bush. How to get it done? Here's Wilson, a rabidly partisan Democrat whose wife just happens to be watching over WMD proliferation for the CIA. Well, let's have her need a trip to Africa done to go check out a tip. She recommends her husband. When he comes back, he explodes all over the news. Great idea, let's do it!
So let's find out when the "press explosion" was set up, who set it up, and whether either Wilson or Plame, or both, knew that Wilson would be a Media Darling when he got back.
The name Valerie Plame was listed as his wife on that liberal Middle eastern think-tank.
What do you make of that?
It points out that he was selected to that job by his wife, Valerie Plame.
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