Posted on 07/11/2005 5:08:17 PM PDT by bayourod
America's openness to newcomers willing to work hard to succeed creates a virtuous cycle that benefits all ---SNIP___
THREE ADVANTAGES. It is hard not to notice the disproportionate number of immigrant success stories in America. All across the world, America is considered the land of opportunity, and so it should not be surprising that the immigrants who do get here end up being uncommonly successful: They are the ones who fought the hardest, stared down the most competition, were driven by the fiercest pangs of hunger. They arrive to find a university system that is unparalleled for the variety it offers and the breadth of the community it embraces.
Immigrants have three advantages over most people born in America. First, by prevailing in the rigorous competition to enter America, they have proved themselves capable of overcoming both past and future adversity. Second, they do not take America for granted. They have a strong, even desperate desire to prove that they deserve a place in the society of their chosen country. Finally, they take pride in their native culture, and thus are determined never to tarnish its image so that other immigrants who follow will find at least an equal welcome.
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You really love that "we need illegals to do the jobs 40 million aborted children can't do" bit, don't you? Are you going to answer the questions I asked you in that other thread, or not?
If only they spent as much effort protecting those 40 million murdered babies as they do protecting the millions of illegals....
Of course not. Questions like that cause the quislings to flee much like a vampire shown the holy cross.
I don't think she is referring to the current crop of millions of illegal aliens who aren't assimilating but are sucking America dry.
Point taken. I'm just asking roddy to explain why he thinks the two issues are related. For one thing, just because 40 million people have been aborted in the US over the last 30+ years doesn't necessarily mean that every single one of them would be alive today AND working. It's an unproveable, and he knows it, but he keeps using it without explaining the inherent lack of logic in it. Hey, it gives him a hobby, I guess...
Heh heh. Yeah, that's one reason I keep asking. The other reason is because I'd love to see what kind of answer he comes up with. Strap in, it's gonna be an instant classic!
The vast majority of them would be alive. Also remember the ones not born due to those orignally aborted.
BTW, why your defense of roe v. wade.
Don't flatter yourself by thinking that I remember you or even know what question you are talking about.
Didn't your parents teach you the basics of common courtesy such as you inform (ping) someone when you insult them, or did they raise you to make snide remarks behind peoples' backs?
Now what is this question you claim I've dodged; why do think it's so important and why don't you know the answer?
The "vast majority," eh? Can you give an exact number? How about a ballpark figure?
BTW, why your defense of roe v. wade.
Because I question the connection between illegal immigration and abortion, you infer that I defend Roe v. Wade? That's quite a stretch, there.
It's funny - in my previous post, I almost mentioned that as being part of roddy's tactic: "What? You question my logic? You must be pro-abortion!" Nice tr, but try sticking to the actual topic.
Well, it's not like she takes on any tough questions, or considers the ways in which the system can break down. Apparently she's still in high school. Immigration can be a benefit to America, and often is. But the assumption that the country can solve pressing problems simply by taking in new people is one that may not hold up forever. Also, this sort of self-celebration can rub people the wrong way, even if there's some truth in it.
Today's "immigrants" know that America's Favorite Trust Fund Baby (Little Howie Dean) is eagar to open the checkbook (Uncle Sam's,not his own) as soon as they claim asylum or swim the Rio Grande.
Thanks for asking.
Here it is: "Loyal American conservatives believe in defending American sovereignty, protected and secure borders, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language. These are the values of loyal American conservatives. Are they yours?"
The pro-illegal alien contingent never provide a yes or no answer. They bob & weave, stonewall and deny, mount an attack which always features the race card, or simply disappear from the thread. Amazing how consistent their behavior is on this one simple question.
How will you handle it? A simple yes or no answer is all that is required.
Oh yeah - forgot to ping ya, roddy.
Just using common knowledge that avg. American life expectancy is around 71 years for a male amd 78 for a female and that roe has been around for 32 years, one can extrapolate that the vast majority of those aborted in the last 32 years would still be living if not aborted in the womb.
Do you have any other NARAL or FAIR spin to regurgitate on this thread?
No, first they take billions of dollars from American tax payers every year, then they take us for granted.
Boy, you're full of assumptions today! I have no idea what "spin" NARAL or FAIR have on this issue, and frankly, I don't have the time to look it up now because I have to get back to work. So go ahead and throw out another insult, and you can have the last word. Huh JMO.
Yeah it breed success. Just ask the 18th street gang of LA.
Let me go out on a limb here and predict that you won't be getting a clear YES or NO answer.
Hey, this country loves immigrants and we welcome them, always will. What we don't like are ILLEGALS! Those who shove in line in front of the people who are attemting to immigrate to this country LEGALLY.
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Yep, the border hoppers who are closing our hospitals, overburdening our schools, overloading our social services system and causing taxes to increase in order for the invaded states to avoid bankruptcy. More of those we DON'T need or want.
The bills for these freeloaders should be sent to Vicente Fox, the biggest offender whose only victory in Mexico is the exportation of his peons.
Why does GWB think this failure of a leader is such a great guy? America wants to know.
that was not a bad post X!
Do I believe in Mother and Apple Pie?
Yes. Yes, simple Yes.
Does that mean I'm stupid enough to believe that the border can be sealed? No. Simple no.
Does that mean that I would risk throwing the American economy into another great depression just to appease insecure people with inferiority complexes that want big government to enforce some intangible, undefinable mythic goal of "the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language"? No. Simple No.
You make up some idiotic definition of what conservatives stand for and then condemn anyone who doesn't conform to your myopic definion.
Would you like to know what a conservative stood for thirty years ago? I'll tell you anyway.
A conservative was someone who: 1. Opposed admission of Red China to the U.N. 2. Opposed giving away the Panama Canal 3. Opposed forced busing 4. Opposed fluoridation of drinking water 5. Supported the death penalty 6. Opposed unilateral disarmament, and 7. Supported a return to the gold standard.
Your silly little definition of a conservatiove serves no purpose but to identify you as someone who
Yep, I see 'em getting tanked up at the tracks every morning.
If nobody picks them up, they might sell some drugs or burglarize my Mom's house.
If they ain't ambitious though they might just hang at the tracks all day.
Great work if you can get it.
Their chosen country is one in which English is not spoken.
Maybe later they will go home to the wife and
fourteen kids and ask how it went down at the WIC office.
Las PROGRAMAS muy bien!
Stripped of all the ifs, ands, buts, and excepts, your answer is the usual pro-illegal alien response (when there is a response) filled to the brim with alibis, excuses and obfuscations designed to fuzz up the non-answer. You know, the kind of stuff we always expect from the pro-illegal alien supporters, enablers and apologists.
Like the rest of your pathetic little gang, you disparage the importance of American sovereignty, secure & protected borders, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language. Therefore, I have no use for you. None.
You may be a Big Tent RINO/Liberal/Moderate, at best, but you're sure as hell no conservative.
But by all means continue posting your pro-illegal alien nonsense. Who knows, perhaps you can sign up another one or two misguided enthusiasts.
As for the rest of us, we know exactly where you stand. It's not with us.
BTTT
Are you referring to legal immigrants? If so, please provide documentation and a source.
Don't you ever get tired of losing?
Ever buy a bullet?
If unrestrained immigration is such a good thing, why are so many people leaving California? Why has that state teetered on bankruptcy for so many years?
Are you a US citizen, bayourod?
A conservative was someone who:
1. Opposed admission of Red China to the U.N.
2. Opposed giving away the Panama Canal
3. Opposed forced busing
4. Opposed fluoridation of drinking water
5. Supported the death penalty
6. Opposed unilateral disarmament, and
7. Supported a return to the gold standard.
With the exception of the idiotic inclusion of fluordation I still agree with all of these.
I didn't know that you so strongly support commie China.
No thank you. If America becomes dependent on importing foreigners from failed nations to replenish the population, America will soon be another failed nation. We will become like Mexico.
I would rather see our population decline than to devolve into a corrupt third-world kleptocracy.
We can seal the borders. We just have to be a little tougher about it. If we authorized our border patrol to use lethal force when they attempt to cross, they will stop coming. We won't need to kill that many. After they realize we are serious, they will get the message.
Losing? Haven't you noticed the change in the Antis' posts? They no longer claim we have "open borders" or that it is possible to "seal" the borders or that President Bush is a traitor for not doing so, or that Hispanic immigrants are destroying our Western heritage, ruining our neighborhoods, diluting our culture, lowering our education achievements, putting plastic pink flamingos in their front yards, etc...
I didn't give up when I was going into counties in East Texas that had never held a Republican primary looking for people willing to hold one in their garage so that we could get a few more votes for Reagan in his contest for the nomination against Ford or Bush. The Antis are pushovers compared to some of the good ole boys in East Texas who only knew that Lincoln was a Republican.
And no I still haven't bought any ammo for my guns.
Because California is dominated by socialist Democrat officeholders, because the uberconservastives have alienated so many moderate voters and gratuitously insulted Hispanic voters because the uberconservatives don't value winning elections. They proudly lose and then try to get symbolic referenda passed to prove that they aren't losers.
Texas has the same percent of Hispanics but all statewide officeholders are Republican.
I can see the open border contingent is out spreading their nonsense yet again.
What else do these supposedly virtuous immigrants bring? Other than increases in crime, overburdened services of every sort, and resistant strains of tuberculosis?
One thing, certainly - an absolute conviction that crime does pay; it most assuredly has for them.
And on this pathetic foundation, we expect to build a strong America?
You talk a lot.
A lot.
You never address the difference between legal immigration and the illegal criminals that are streaming across our open borders that Bush has done nothing to seal which is indeed possible and possibly a traitorous act on his part.
If you have anyone who would mistakenly look to you for protection you continue to let them down.
I don't let my wife and kids down. We are all trained to protect ourselves. We will not fall victim to some goblin because we are too stupid or too lazy to prepare ourselves.
That's only because trying to reason with you is like trying to reason with a dog in heat. You have only one goal and that is allow as many illegals as possible. There is no changing that so most ignore you.
Immigration and assimilation, NOT INVASION.
The answer is quite obvious. Assuming that at least some of the 40 million aborted children would have grown up to be criminals, we need these illegal criminals to do the crimes the aborted criminals cannot do. And if you doubt that, you must clearly be supporting Roe v. Wade.
Simple, isn't it?
LOL!!!
I give!!
You got me!
I see your getting picked upon tonight. LOL!
Here is your worst nightmare:
Seal the borders to all illegals.
Razor wire and land mines. Entry only through border checkpoints.
Round up and deport all illegals.
Arrest and fine heavily the employers of illegals.
Fire the bureaucrats that enabel illegals.
Vote the RINO's out of office.
Enforce our laws.
Welcome legal immigrants with open arms.
Let the whining begin.
We haven't had an open border with Mexico in over a hundred years.
It's impossible to seal the border.
President Bush has significantly strengthened the CBP
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"We will not fall victim to some goblin because we are too stupid or too lazy to prepare ourselves. "<
I'm not really worried about Goblins, but by the way, just out of curiosity, who did get killed in the new Harry Potter book?
Uberconservatives? Are you talking about Arnold?
You make the case for me when you say that California is dominated by socialists because they have so many Hispanic voters. Hispanics vote for socialists because Hispanics want socialist policies.
California is dominated by socialist Democrats because it is also dominated illegal aliens who vote. Don't try to blame it "uberconservastives". One of the conservative planks is opposition to abortion, and you argue that abortion has created the necessity for immigration.
If immigration from Mexico is a good thing, people would be moving to California from other states, but the reverse is true.
Are you a US citizen?
Your response is a joke.
Lies and then a stupid question.
Is that the best that you can do?
Do you REALLY think you are doing the America last illegals first open border lobby a service bringing a losing argument everytime?
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