CA: In Search Of Problem Teachers (teacher tenure initiative)

SF Chronicle ^ | Monday, July 11, 2005 | Louis Freedberg

[Paloma_55]

Before I get flamed for my "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics" line as being to trite....

Note the number of dismissed teachers claimed under the premise of how easy it is to do... does not distinguish between new teachers and tenured teachers.

In other words, the vast likelihood is that the big number of teachers dismissed are non-tenured.

The reason tenured teachers are not fired is because they get a "reasonable proceeding"... reasonable being defined by the teachers's union as "virtually impossible to make a case" by the normal human being.

[abclily]

Plus the fact that the education organizations are consulted on which textbooks should be on the Title I list for purchase. Textbooks being dumbed down = less learning = lower test scores = cry by unions for smaller class size = more teachers hired = more union dues. Unions always win, since they are controlling the entire education situation. I wish parents were aware of this.

[leanoray]

Your calculations are embarrassingly primitive: Please check this reasoned defense for teachers making $90,000 per year. You may need to brush up on your calculus to understand it.
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2003/03/teacher_pay.html

[leanoray]

I would like to know your qualifications to judge a good teacher?

If by chance your child takes physics or calculus, are you qualified to evaluate my degrees awarded, the prestige of the universities I attended, or my content knowledge.

Have you read my master's thesis on plant canopy thermodynamics? Have you evaluated my Ph.D. work? Have you observed my laboratory work with my students? Would you even know what you were doing?

I suggest your comment is a bit extreme and almost redneck in its tone. I caution you because it can prejudice your grandchildren against the rigors of education: If it is hard, it is the teacher's fault.

If your children fail to get a solid education their incomes will suffer.

[dk/coro]

I shant demean myself with a reply to your clap-trap

[leanoray]

I am a retired Naval Officer, educated physicist, with an advanced degree in mathematical physics, and I can confidently say that not a single poster on this thread could confidently and accurately evaluate what I do on a daily basis.

The posts on this thread are redneck in tone and intent: None of you know advanced mathematics or physics, or economics for that matter.

Your bile and bitterness will poison your children against trying hard in school. And it will be your fault.

[leanoray]

The Free Republic is published in the redneck capital of the world: Fresno.

Please read Thomas Sowell's book on the redneck culture.

This thread is brimming with redneck contempt for educated people.

[Jim Robinson]

Y'all don't cut the grade. Buh bye, troll.
Spit.

[abclily]

You need calculus to do simple division? I don't. Most people learn the algorithms of arithmetic at a very young age. You didn't learn arithmetic until you studied calculus? And you think I should be embarrassed? Whoever attempted to educate you should be embarrassed.

[Osage Orange]

And I am not a member of the NEA.:)

Butt....R U..a Rednek?

[abclily]

Were you referring to 'NBER Working Paper Series'? Is that the reasoned defense I should read on that site, or am I looking at the wrong thing?

[abclily]

I beg to differ with you. I went to the site you told me to check out. Started reading 'NBER Working Papers Series' - needs some serious editing. Who did your editing?

[Osage Orange]

If by chance your child takes physics or calculus, are you qualified to evaluate my degrees awarded, the prestige of the universities I attended, or my content knowledge.

Mayebe's...i canknot tell wethers yous one of dem jeanous's....butts i wood no if u twas ignert or knot.

I's meeted manies folk dat hollers bout dim be'in reel wright quik figure'ers...butt's day most'y dummer dan waatermelons.....