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AlQaida nukes already in the U.S.
world net daily ^ | July 11, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/12/2005 2:41:05 AM PDT by television is just wrong

FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S. Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters Posted: July 11, 2005 12:22 p.m. Eastern

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WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

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Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."

"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."

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Just read this one, and I guess I'm up for the night.

Little un nerving.

1 posted on 07/12/2005 2:41:05 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: television is just wrong

Joseph Farah reporting on a report by Joseph Farah.


2 posted on 07/12/2005 2:45:04 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: television is just wrong
While the nuclear threat against the US is growing steadily every year, this article is full of holes and poor guess work.

For instance, this line "Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War...."

While I suppose it is possible that Soviet Spetznaz units planted warheads in the US during the cold war, I seriously doubt that any of these devices would be operable today. These things require routine maintenance. While I suppose these devices could probably be overhauled and refueled, such a procedure would require some serious expertise, and would be difficult to undertake in the US without being discovered.

I cannot refute the allegations made in this article anymore than the author can prove them, but he harms his credibility a number of times within this article.

It is a scenario that must be planned for.

3 posted on 07/12/2005 2:54:05 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: television is just wrong

If any of this does happen then we must hunt down those responsible and really let them have it. I'm talking about 3 hot meals a day, daily showers, access to lawyers, time to pray to allah (aka Satan), and protection from such abuse as being forced to stay awake for 18 hours at a time. This must be done in combination with mandatory classes for all to determine and understand exactly what we did wrong to cause our attackers to lash out at us.

I can almost see this being written on some DNC memo.


4 posted on 07/12/2005 2:56:11 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: television is just wrong
According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

This old story was bullsh*t then, and it's bullsh*t now. Does anyone seriously think Al Qaeda has had nukes in the USA for five years and not used them while we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, hunted them down and killed 2/3 of their leadership? What are they waiting for? Us to do something to make them really, really mad?

5 posted on 07/12/2005 2:57:21 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: frankiep

I can see that too written on a DNC memo. They believe Americans are evil and worship all other enemies foreign and domestic.


6 posted on 07/12/2005 2:58:40 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: television is just wrong

Sensationalism sells...

... but it kills you in the long run.

Farah should think about that.


7 posted on 07/12/2005 2:59:49 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: johniegrad
Joseph Farah reporting on a report by Joseph Farah.

A report Farah has been pounding since 9/12/01. If they had 'em, they'd have used them already. IMO.

8 posted on 07/12/2005 3:01:05 AM PDT by metesky (This land was your land, this land is MY land; I bought the rights from a town selectman!)
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To: television is just wrong
Sorry, don't buy it.
9 posted on 07/12/2005 3:01:34 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: television is just wrong
According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Why would the Maras help people that they hold in absolute contempt, destroy their very own neighborhoods, family, friends and source of millions of dollars? This story is crap, IMO.

10 posted on 07/12/2005 3:04:19 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: jaime1959

I do completely agree that our border situation is ridiculous. The fact that we have virtually no border security at all is a display of total criminal negligence.
I like President Bush and fully support his foreign policy but I absolutely hate the fact that he has done and will continue to do nothing about our borders.


11 posted on 07/12/2005 3:11:19 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: television is just wrong
The only certain deterrence for this eventuality is for President Bush to clearly and publicly state that if we are hit with a nuke ,or nukes , in America , that we will nuke Mecca and Medina in immediate response , and Tehran in a second strike. Just put it on the table loud and clear and let the chips where they may. There has to be a terrible , unbearable cost to islam if they hit us. There has to be...
12 posted on 07/12/2005 3:11:22 AM PDT by injin
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To: television is just wrong

This was posted yesterday and here is what I posted then.

I can't believe that they would print such trash.

It is hard to determine which is worse this article or the Koran in the toilet article in Newsweak!

If they had one nuke here we would know right where it "WAS" located by the mushroom cloud.


13 posted on 07/12/2005 3:16:07 AM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight the Muslum Army in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Which do you prefer?)
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To: television is just wrong
?......Al-Qaida nukes already in the U.S. GAS PRICES!

?......NOTHING here,.....move on and just PAY UP your 'forced' Mosque Gas Dues!

/ongoing nukes......

14 posted on 07/12/2005 3:17:48 AM PDT by maestro
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To: television is just wrong

We need to make it absolutely, perfectly clear. A detonated nuclear device in the US by islamite fanatics will be the end of Mecca and/or Medina. Let the other islamites deal some restraint.


15 posted on 07/12/2005 3:20:51 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: television is just wrong
Sooner or later this BS will be true.

Then kiss a blue state or city goodbye.
16 posted on 07/12/2005 3:22:44 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Hugin

Exactly! The terroists watch "24"! They know they had better use them immediately if they want to have them at all.


17 posted on 07/12/2005 3:29:45 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Bon mots

For all of you Fox 24 fans, remember Jack headed across the border into Mexico. Farah may have written next season's plot.


18 posted on 07/12/2005 3:29:48 AM PDT by doosee
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To: television is just wrong
The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism...

Whoever wrote this makes it sound like a nuke employes a chemical 'mixing' process, which is false. The whole report is suspect as a result.

19 posted on 07/12/2005 3:35:58 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Bon mots
Then kiss a blue state or city goodbye.

You could kiss all the blue states and cities good bye. Whatever isn't hit by the terrorist nukes will vote Republican and for Total War...

It is possible that the strong response following 9/11 is all that has held the terrorists back from implementing "Hiroshima". If they really do have nukes in our country already, they're waiting for something to give them an overwhelming advantage so as to force a surrender. As it stands, use of their Hiroshima Option will result in a smoking, radioactive ruin where Mecca currently stands.

20 posted on 07/12/2005 3:38:47 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: doosee

Jack already did the Mexican scenario,but, that was with drug dealers.Now, if he can find Abdul in Venezueala, plotting with Chavez, that might get interesting. SA IMHO is going to be our next great struggle against terrorism. Along with the Chinese using SA as a proxy.


21 posted on 07/12/2005 3:40:51 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: coconutt2000

"As it stands, use of their Hiroshima Option will result in a smoking, radioactive ruin where Mecca currently stands."

More than that. See every terrorist harboring nation reduced to ashes and 1/3 of the earth's population annihilated by our retaliation.


22 posted on 07/12/2005 3:44:36 AM PDT by DarthVader (Always ready to educate liberals by beating them profusely about the head with a Louisville Slugger.)
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To: television is just wrong

First, if they had them, they'd use them.

Maybe they'll get one, but I don't believe it has happened yet.

Second, if someone had nuclear weapons and wanted to bring them into this country, the Mexican border protected or not would have little impact on their success getting them in.

We're an open country with huge borders and coastal areas. Too many ways in that are virtually undetectable for those with resources.

Anyway, why go to all that trouble? A nuke in the bottom of an oil tanker in any harbor USA and the deed is done. That's just the hard cold reality of it. We have to take them out before they have the chance to take us out.


23 posted on 07/12/2005 3:45:29 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: eastforker

I spent some time in Mexico recently and the feedback I got was Muslims arent welcome there. They dont want the mosques and the hatred in that country. That doesnt mean some arent there, but most Latinos aspire to "move" to the US and dont want to blow it up. But money can move mountains.


24 posted on 07/12/2005 3:46:49 AM PDT by doosee
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To: Hugin
Does anyone seriously think Al Qaeda has had nukes in the USA for five years and not used them while we invaded

The terrorists attacked the World Trade Center in 1993 and waited patiently eight years before their next attack.They have demonstrated they are willing to wait more than five years to attack.

If someone had publicly stated on 9/10/01 that some time in the near future a group of terrorists would hijack several planes and use them as WMD's by targeting the World Trade Center Towers, The Pentagon and the U.S. Capital(Plane crashed in PA) the reaction would be the same amount of skepticism being posted in this thread. Obviously myself nor anyone else can prove if this story is accurate but given our porous borders it amazes me so many people can outright dismiss at least the possibility regardless of who sends the message. That kind of denial would be exactly what I would want if I was a terrorist.
25 posted on 07/12/2005 3:48:50 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: azhenfud

If a nuke goes off in a US city - nuking Mecca and/or Medina is not nearly enough in response. There better darn well be smoking glass craters all over the middle east and beyond within hours of the event. At that point playing nice is out.


26 posted on 07/12/2005 3:50:05 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Man50D

One needs evidence.

Otherwise it is just scaremongering to make money.

Where's the evidence?


27 posted on 07/12/2005 3:52:19 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: doosee

OTM, other than Mexicans are being spotted on our borders daily. check out illegal Immigration websites.

It is a big concern.


28 posted on 07/12/2005 3:54:41 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: television is just wrong

Joseph Farah is a very reckless and sloppy reporter. I put more faith in tabloid reports of aliens landing in President Bush's brain.


29 posted on 07/12/2005 4:01:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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If true, then AQ are truly the henchmen of KR. Not only would a stunt like this allow the most aggressive neocons free hand in dealing with Islamofacism, it would dramatically shift the U.S. Demographic red. Virtually all dense population centers in the U.S. are blue, nuking them kills appeasers.

Remember former SecDef Cohen, hardly a neocon, was saying after 9/11 that nukes were not off the table (Saddam, "The American People need to be reasonable." Dirty Harry, "I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it.")

The president would turn to Pakhistan's PM/dictator du jour and say, "You have 30 days to hand me Osama's head on a pike or Islamabad is a glassy parking lot." To the Saudis, "Close down the terror breeding ponds or you're now New Texas."

30 posted on 07/12/2005 4:02:03 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: NeonKnight

I'm not disputing your reply, just aking how you may know what routine maintenance is needed other then say a new energiger battery?


31 posted on 07/12/2005 4:04:30 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: DB
The operative phrase in my post is

at least the possibility

. You maybe correct but then again what evidence could anyone show that would convince the American public who is on the outside looking in. Most individuals have no way of proving there is or isn't WMD's of any kind in the U.S. So it is reasonable to assume there is always a possibility. No one had any evidence terrorists would attack us on 9/11/01 in such a manner but it happened. The prudent reaction would be to verify Farah's statements with other sources just as a person seeks a second or third opinion for medical advice and not automatically rule out the possibility.

32 posted on 07/12/2005 4:12:35 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Joe Boucher

I believe the tritium has to be refreshed. They don't exactly sell that stuff at the Ace Hardware...


33 posted on 07/12/2005 4:15:22 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: DB

34 posted on 07/12/2005 4:17:11 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Mexico, the 51st state.)
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To: television is just wrong

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.


But the borders are STILL OPEN!!!!!


35 posted on 07/12/2005 4:19:35 AM PDT by millefleur (No KING but Jesus !)
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To: Hugin

[invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, hunted them down and killed 2/3 of their leadership? What are they waiting for? Us to do something to make them really, really mad?]

Actually, yes. I moved away from New York City one month after the 9-11 attacks when an AP wire report mentioned a nuke in Manhattan and, within 10 minutes, made the wire report disappear. It spooked me. Since then I've seen Bush playing "chicken" with the enemy...basically fighting them according to rules laid out in advance so there would be no misunderstanding.

First: Bush announced a war that would last many years. Why did he do that? On September 12th, a lot of us were thinking that the slaughtering of 40 Saudi clerics and Prince Najef wouldn't take more than a week. I was thinking "What gives?" Then I realized: we were really in a cold war with a nuclear power. We would have to fight this war as a string of conventional battles where the direct leadership of the other side was never actually threatened. Just as we fought in Vietnam against the Kremlin, we ended up fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq against Rijad and Mecca.

Bush asked Al Qaeda to prove their manhood by fighting a conventional war in Afghanistan. I remember thinking "this means that they can have a nuke in Manhattan but not risk a nuclear exchange that would take Mecca out when they might actually win in Afghanistan against us...especially if the American left had lots of anti-war protests.

Then Bush telegraphed the Iraq War a year in advance. He played chicken with the enemy in Saudi Arabia. He gave them a chance to organize a left wing cold war against America that would "hold us back". Bush got our allies to hold us back on purpose and then give "insurgents" the idea that they could turn Iraq into another Vietnam. It may have been more than just the Flypaper Effect Bush was after.

The way to stop a nuke from exploding is to always give the enemy reason to believe that they can win another way and that they are winning the other way. America's left wing seems to be helping Al Qaeda decide that America can be defeated from within, without a nuclear exchange.

I don't see Bush doing what needs to be done in Syria and Iran now that they have crossed the line with the London bombings. This says to me: they have nukes in US cities. Otherwise, we would liberate those two countries. The London bombings show me that the other side feels comfortable with bringing small bombings to England because they have drawn a line in the sand that we cannot cross in retaliation. The London bombings show me that a new Cold War has begun. We are only allowed to retaliate with subway bombings of our own (which we will not do) but I understand that they will no longer tolerate anymore regime changes. We can do nothing about the London bombings but treat it as a criminial investigation. If the investigation shows Syrian connections, our own government will downplay these findings or bury them.

I don't get any idea at all that nukes are NOT in American cities. I am NOT living in an American city until the government tells me the truth about what THEY know.

One reason why I would like to see war in Iran is precisely so that I know they don't have nukes in the USA.

Where, for instance, are Jenna and Barbara Bush living? If one of them is in Manhattan, then I would admit to being wrong about this. I want to be wrong here.






36 posted on 07/12/2005 4:21:40 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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To: DB

CIA secrets and the Hollywood connection

Actor-director Forest Whitaker is finding himself caught up in an intrigue he never expected nor can possibly deal with. While in Minnesota shooting his new film, "The Falconer," he had the crew dig a long canal so that he could shoot a highly dramatic tracking shot that would really offer some emotional force. But, in the process of upturning all this earth, the crew came across a very strange thing indeed. It was a large strongbox of sorts, firmly planted in the ground. After a lot of heaving and huffing they finally managed to get the buried shed open and were shocked at what they found inside.

Turns out it was a cache of weapons, loads of them, as well as an information retrieval system that managed to intercept what Forest Whitaker later learned were CIA communications. Much like the storehouses former KGB higher-up Vasili Mitrokhin has revealed the Soviets were planting all along the midwest.

Shouldn’t have been a problem for Forest if he had just reported the spectacular find to the local authorities. Unfortunately Whitaker apparently viewed some highly explosive materials, materials the CIA really wish he hadn’t. Whitaker was so freaked out he immediately stopped production on the film and left the set for his Holiday Inn in Brainerd. He has not been heard from since.

Authorities speculate Whitaker is in hiding – others speculate those same authorities put him in hiding. Whatever way you look at it, the man who last directed "Hope Floats" appears to have lost all hope. And who knows what he could have seen (it can’t have been much worse than "Hope Floats


37 posted on 07/12/2005 4:23:10 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Joe Boucher
Lots of good info on both portable nuclear devices and nuclear land mines here...CNS - "Suitcase Nukes": A Reassessment

A short maintenance schedule is an intriguing feature of portable nuclear devices, which is particularly important from the counterterrorism perspective: If that information is correct, such devices would be useless or have limited utility after only a few years, begging the question of whether terrorists would envision the same purpose for such devices as the Soviet Union. The period between routine maintenance--only six months--might seem very short, but short maintenance periods appear to be a typical feature of all Soviet warheads.

Without detailed knowledge of the design of Soviet warheads, it would be impossible to know which components needed replacement at what time intervals. Two potential candidates are tritium and the neutron generator, which may use radioactive materials that decay over time. It seems possible, for example, that Soviet designers balanced on the threshold, using only just enough plutonium to achieve critical mass and relied on tritium to generate required yield. In that case, even modest degradation of tritium could have resulted in a significant drop of yield. Thus, it would be safe to assume that without proper maintenance, portable nuclear devices might still produce chain reaction, but yield would be minimal, and with time, possibly non-existent.

38 posted on 07/12/2005 4:23:54 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: azhenfud

I guess it would take something on that scale before some of the Democrats would not say solve the problem thru diplomacy.


39 posted on 07/12/2005 4:25:36 AM PDT by mel
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To: johniegrad
Joseph Farah reporting on a report by Joseph Farah.

EXACTLY.

There is no doubt, a big threat of nuclear terrorism not only to the United States, but to our allies, the U.K., Australia, or any nation that has opposed the Islamofascist jihadists.

The only thing bigger than that threat is Joe Farah's massive ego.

He so desperately wants to be a "player", he can taste it.

So which is it Joe?

First, you insist that Iran will detonate an EMP nuke over America to fry our infrastructure, now you're going off about al Qaeda nukes "already" in the U.S.

So which is it? Either, or both?

Oh wait Joe, I know: if I subscribe to your (drum roll please) "G2 INTEL NEWSLETTER", and send you my cash each month, you will keep me informed on ALL of these potential threats, in addition to peppering me with MORE urgings to subscribe to this offer, or that offer, or whatever offer will help eliminate the threat of WorldNetDaily being unable to meet their coffee budget for the month.

There ARE real terrorist threats, no question about it folks, but make no mistake: Farah and his WND crowd are making the most of it, and their objective is to profit from it.

And for that, I say:

Stuff it up your suitcase nuke Joe.
40 posted on 07/12/2005 4:30:24 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: television is just wrong

I suppose it could be true.

But the US still holds a nuclear doctrine called MAD. All we have to do is point 25% of our nuclear arsenal at every population center in the middle east. If all-squida detonates a nuke or a series of nukes in the US, they potentially seal the death warrants of hundreds of millions muslims and permantly lose their holiest sites forever.

Wouldn't that be demorilizing for muslims to know that their 'all powerful' allah couldn't stop the US from turning Mecca into an uninhabitable glass parking lot for the next 10k years and that they couldn't fulfil their duties as muslims and had nowhere to point their heads and eat dirt?

They would be just as much the fools as the Soviets would have been during the cold war.


41 posted on 07/12/2005 4:31:05 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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It does take a rocket scientist to determine that terrorists will use a nuke if & when they have them...... Their MO is multiple explosions.

I must agree that smuggling due to poor border control will lead to the deaths of many innocent men, women, & children...both Americans and illegal aliens.....

42 posted on 07/12/2005 4:31:12 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

If this suitcase nuke was built in 1988 as the article says, it's unlikely it would be activated by cellphone, which although invented, was in its infancy in 1988.

This story sounds more like a Tom Clancy book than reality.

43 posted on 07/12/2005 4:33:05 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: NeonKnight
I seriously doubt that any of these devices would be operable today. These things require routine maintenance.

Maybe they have already set a few of them off and they were duds.
44 posted on 07/12/2005 4:33:52 AM PDT by Maurice Tift
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Nukes in the U.S. today? Maybe, maybe not. But with so much of the world hating us and so much of the world's resources in the hands of states and groups that hate us it seems inevitable.

If not nukes, then other WMDs (biological or chemical). Given the resources it seems a very small group is sufficient to deliver WMDs.

How do we prevent such threats? Closing the borders seems the only way. That would leave only the internal threats and conventional war with states to watch.

But can we do even that?


45 posted on 07/12/2005 4:35:27 AM PDT by FulshearTex
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To: NeonKnight

There is techonology to detect the neighborhood-level proximity of these bombs, even if they are lead shielded. I think it would be nice, prudent, if we made a few thousands of that technology and established a nationwide network.


46 posted on 07/12/2005 4:37:10 AM PDT by bvw
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To: cbkaty

At least there are some precautions that conservatives can take that lefties simply won't contemplate:

1) Don't live or work within a mile of an obvious target if you can really help it. Maybe I would take a good job in Washington DC...but preferably my office would be more than one mile upwind of the mall. These nukes won't be that powerful.

2) Don't live or work downwind 5 miles of an obvious target.

3) Don't own real estate in the above areas of at least the 6 most likely to be targeted urban centers.

Those rules aren't that hard to abide by in the post 9-11 world. They would ruin the lives of about 4 million people if the fallout is bad enough. It would cost them all of Saudi Arabia, every last Palestinian, probably Damascus, Cairo, Peshawar, Karachi, Islamabad...and, and, and.

The nukes wouldn't destroy any American city. Just mess up the downtown, and irradiate hundreds of thousands in addition to the 50,000 or so who will die in the blast. It would be a small prinprick to deliver to America in return for the annihilation of much of Muslim civilization.


47 posted on 07/12/2005 4:39:12 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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I have often wondered how many and where the weapons that were smuggled (source various stories and books)into the US during the cold war were buried or stored. A nuke would be hard to maintain for so many years without maintenance but high explosives should be able to be stored for long periods as well as automatic weapons and other devices.

Has anyone found any of these storage sites? Or has anyone been found that were sleeper USSR agents? The American Communist party received millions from the USSR so would expect that, if this is true, they had a hand in the storage and smuggling operation.
48 posted on 07/12/2005 4:41:37 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Mad Mammoth

"First, you insist that Iran will detonate an EMP nuke over America to fry our infrastructure, now you're going off about al Qaeda nukes "already" in the U.S.
"

Even if they did, our military command and control centers are hardened and invulnerable to such an attack. All it would do is kill the lights for us civilians but our military and nuclear arsenal would be more than ready to duke it out.

They think what we did to Iraq was hot stuff? Iraq was a joke. We could have taken out every government in the entire middle east with little or no more forces than we have in Iraq right now...if we were to fight the war like wars were fought during WWII.

We're fighting this stupid war with both hands ties behind our back and our feet shackled. Waking this country up like what happened during WWII would be an utterly amazing and awesome spectacle. These stupid shithole countries and idiot terrorists over there have no idea what hell they'd unleash upon themselves. They'd better hope there’s an allah at that point because that’s where they'd all be going in a hurry.


49 posted on 07/12/2005 4:43:30 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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To: injin

"The only certain deterrence for this eventuality is for President Bush to clearly and publicly state that if we are hit with a nuke ,or nukes , in America , that we will nuke Mecca and Medina in immediate response"

I had a professor in 1979 at the University of Washington assert this same perspective during the Iranian hostage situation.

MAD should be updated to account for religious extremists.


50 posted on 07/12/2005 4:48:33 AM PDT by mountaineer1997
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