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RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman Statement On The Partisan Attack On Karl Rove
Republican National Committee ^ | July 12, 2005

Posted on 07/12/2005 12:34:34 PM PDT by RWR8189

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Tracey Schmitt
202-863-8614


"It's disappointing that once again, so many Democrat leaders are taking their political cues from the far-left, Moveon wing of the party. The bottom line is Karl Rove was discouraging a reporter from writing a false story based on a false premise and the Democrats are engaging in blatant partisan political attacks."

 

-RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman


 

Cooper’s Own Email Claims Rove Warned Of Potential Inaccuracies In Wilson Information:

“[Time Reporter Matt] Cooper Wrote That Rove Offered Him A ‘Big Warning’ Not To ‘Get Too Far Out On Wilson.’ Rove Told Cooper That Wilson’s Trip Had Not Been Authorized By ‘DCIA’ - CIA Director George Tenet - Or Vice President Dick Cheney.” (Michael Isikoff, "Matt Cooper’s Source," Newsweek, 7/18/05)

Wilson Falsely Claimed That It Was Vice President Cheney Who Sent Him To Niger, But The Vice President Has Said He Never Met Him And Didn’t Know Who Sent Him:

Wilson Says He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President’s Office. “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. … The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.” (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, “What I Didn’t Find In Africa,” The New York Times, 7/6/03)

 

 

Vice President Cheney: “I Don’t Know Joe Wilson. I’ve Never Met Joe Wilson. … And Joe Wilson - I Don’t [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 9/14/03)

 

CIA Director George Tenet: “In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIA’s Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release, 7/11/03)

 

 

Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger, But Documentation Showed She Proposed His Name:

Wilson Claims His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA To Discuss Report. CNN’S WOLF BLITZER: “Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. … Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?” JOE WILSON: “No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq.” (CNN’s “Lade Edition,” 7/18/04)

 

Wilson’s Report On Niger Had “Thin” Evidence And Did Not Change Conclusions Of Analysts And Other Reports:

Officials Said Evidence Was “Thin” And His “Homework Was Shoddy.” “In the days after Wilson’s essay appeared, government officials began to steer reporters away from Wilson’s conclusions, raising questions about his veracity and the agency’s reasons for sending him in the first place. They told reporters that Wilson’s evidence was thin, said his homework was shoddy and suggested that he had been sent to Niger by the CIA only because his wife had nominated him for the job.” (Michael Duffy, “Leaking With A Vengeance,” Time, 10/13/03)

 

Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador’s Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts’ Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq, 7/7/04)

 

 

CIA Said Wilson’s Findings Did Not Resolve The Issue. “Because [Wilson’s] report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.” (Central Intelligence Agency, “Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence,” Press Release 7/11/03)

 

The Butler Report Claimed That The President’s State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, “Was Well-Founded.” “We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.’ was well-founded.” (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, “Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction,” 7/14/04)

 

Sens. Roberts, Bond And Hatch All Dismissed Wilson’s Claims:

Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS), Kit Bond (R-MO) And Orrin Hatch (R-UT) All Stated, “On At Least Two Occasions [Wilson] Admitted That He Had No Direct Knowledge To Support Some Of His Claims And That He Was Drawing On Either Unrelated Past Experiences Or No Information At All.” (Select Committee On Intelligence, “Additional Views Of Chairman Pat Roberts, Joined By Senator Christopher S. Bond And Senator Orrin G. Hatch; Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq,” U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)

 

 

 
Wilson Tied To The 2004 Kerry Campaign For President:

Wilson Endorsed Kerry In October 2003. “Former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence to exaggerate the threat from Iraq, endorsed Democrat John Kerry for president … In a conference call with New Hampshire reporters, Wilson said he and Kerry have shared the experience of challenging their government – Wilson when he questioned the ‘rush to war’ with Iraq, Kerry when he challenged America’s role in Vietnam.” (David Tirrell-Wysocki, “Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03)

 

“Wilson … Said He Has Long Been A Kerry Supporter And Has Contributed $2,000 To The Campaign This Year. He Said He Has Been Advising Kerry On Foreign Policy For About Five Months And Will Campaign For Kerry, Including A Trip To New Hampshire …” (David Tirrell-Wysocki, “Former Ambassador Wilson Endorses Kerry In Presidential Race,” The Associated Press, 10/23/03)

 

“In Mid-May, [Wilson] Began Talking To Kerry’s Advisers About Helping The Campaign; He Made His First Donation May 23. Kerry Himself Had Not Met Wilson Until Tuesday Night At A Campaign Fund-Raiser In Potomac, Md., A Kerry Aide Said …” (Patrick Healy and Wayne Washington, “In Probe Of CIA Leak, Two Sides See Politics,” The Boston Globe, 10/2/03)

 

“[Kerry Advisor Rand] Beers Said Wilson Communicates With Campaign Advisers At Least Once A Week.” (Patrick Healy and Wayne Washington, “In Probe Of CIA Leak, Two Sides See Politics,” The Boston Globe, 10/2/03)


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1 posted on 07/12/2005 12:34:39 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
This Rove thing is going nowhere and fast for the left.

Next!

2 posted on 07/12/2005 12:39:48 PM PDT by RushCrush (Booyaka-sha. Check dis!)
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To: RWR8189

Doesnt matter WHAT the truth is to these DIMOS. All they see is a chance to bash Bush and get revenge. No matter if the story is true or not. Very, very pathetic.


3 posted on 07/12/2005 12:40:21 PM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: RWR8189

LOL. I just heard on Hannity that Kerry (I think it was) has put up an online petition to fire Karl Rove. This gets more hilarious by the minute.


4 posted on 07/12/2005 12:43:15 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: RWR8189
Good post, but I will also add the fact that Rove did not out a covert agent as the MSM are saying. Plame had not been covert for nine years as she was outed by Aldrich Ames prior to 1994 and then again by the Cubans. She was assigned a desk job as an analyst at that time.

The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a news column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation, U.S. officials say.

Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana.

The documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said.

Washington Times

She would have had to have been covert in the last five years for Rove to have broken the law. Add that to the info above and there is no story, but the MSM won't let a few facts get in their way...
5 posted on 07/12/2005 12:43:30 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: RWR8189
The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Betrayed My Wife's CIA Identity: A Diplomat's Memoir by Joseph Wilson, appropriately ranked by Amazon at #7244.
6 posted on 07/12/2005 12:44:22 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: RushCrush

I've only had a few problems discussing this with people who are not political junkies:

1) Explaining who Karl Rove is.
2) Explaining who Joe Wilson is.
3) Explaining who Valerie Plaime is.
4) Explaining who Robert Novak is.
5) Explaining who Judith Miller is.
6) Explaining why, even assuming any of the allegations are true, anyone without a political agenda should give a rat's rump about it.

Other than that, this story has great legs. Especially if one compares it to the much less interesting Jeff Gannon "scandal".


7 posted on 07/12/2005 12:45:34 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority ("There is no terrorist threat! There is no terrorist threat!" - Michael Moore)
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To: RWR8189

I am much encouraged that the Republicans are fighting back with the truth.


8 posted on 07/12/2005 12:45:55 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: RWR8189

But the truth is so boring and is harder to read than MSM soundbite claptrap. There is no way this will actually get reported.


9 posted on 07/12/2005 12:46:48 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Register to vote as a Dem! You get to vote in their primaries and it screws up their polling data!)
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To: Quilla

# 7244 is much too high for that piece of carp.

Unless Soros is secretly buying and burning all the existing copies so there won't be a paper trail.


10 posted on 07/12/2005 12:48:33 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority ("There is no terrorist threat! There is no terrorist threat!" - Michael Moore)
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To: RushCrush

everyone says this thing is going nowhere, but it seems to command a lot of posts and replies


12 posted on 07/12/2005 12:55:40 PM PDT by benben
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To: Question Liberal Authority
"Explaining why, even assuming any of the allegations are true, anyone without a political agenda should give a rat's rump about it."

From Day 1, this has been a media creation and a media fixation. So far, the evidence points to this being an inadvertent, second-hand leak, put out to correct some misinformation that was circulating in the press. The same press that deliberately fanned the flames of the Abu Ghraib situation, in total disregard of the immediate and tangible effects on the security of our soldiers in the field and on Iraqi civilians, is now trying to use this faux breach of national security as an excuse to destroy Rove. Utterly shameless.
13 posted on 07/12/2005 12:55:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: benben; Admin Moderator

Wow you were fast on #11!


14 posted on 07/12/2005 12:56:27 PM PDT by RushCrush (Booyaka-sha. Check dis!)
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To: RushCrush

Nice job Ken Mehlman! This response was handled with the usual class I've come to expect from this party.

God forbid the mainstream media be confused by the facts.


15 posted on 07/12/2005 12:56:42 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: benben
"everyone says this thing is going nowhere, but it seems to command a lot of posts and replies"

It intrigues many of us because we suspect collusion between the media and anti-Bush elements within government. It also intrigues us because it is one of the more classic demonstrations of media bias and feeding-frenzies in recent years. And, paradoxically, it fascinates us that such a minor event should have acquired such magnitude in the media's eyes.
16 posted on 07/12/2005 12:58:32 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: RWR8189

That's gonna leave a mark.


17 posted on 07/12/2005 12:58:50 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: QQQQQ

Unlike the demonRATs, the truth is all the Republicans (and the rest of us!) have.


18 posted on 07/12/2005 1:00:36 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (fiat voluntas Tua)
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To: Bahbah

You heard right about the Kerry petion. A brainwashed liberal (I repeat myself) co-worker of mine sent this to me. This guy is a big pro-democrap - UAW POS........


Dear Friend,

Less than two weeks ago, members of the johnkerry.com community demanded that Karl Rove be fired for his deliberate attempt to, once again, use the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to divide America. Now Karl Rove is embroiled in another controversy concerning the leaked identity of a covert CIA agent, which was done to punish her husband, a man who had the courage to tell the truth about manipulated intelligence in Iraq.

Karl Rove is the President's top advisor in the White House and what he has admitted doing has deep and troubling consequences for our national security.

It's hard to understand how the President can tolerate his top advisor being involved in exposing a CIA agent in the name of politics by telling reporters about her work - making her already dangerous job that much more dangerous.

In order to do what the President called on us to do earlier this week - "continue to take the fight to the enemy" - the White House and Karl Rove must stop taking it to their so-called political enemies here at home.

It's perfectly clear that Rove - the person at the center of the slash and burn, smear and divide tactics that have come to characterize the Bush Administration - has to go.

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

The problem is that, instead of protecting the American people from real threats to our security, this Administration spends its time protecting Karl Rove. That's not leadership.

They're doing their best to brush off this new Rove controversy as just another political story, but this time they are having a harder time getting away with it. That's why, if we raise our voices now, we can really make a difference. Please ask all your friends to sign our "Fire Rove" petition today:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

Despite carefully worded denials, it is now apparent that Karl Rove discussed the identity of an undercover CIA agent with a reporter. His clear aim was to discredit that agent's husband who had dared to challenge the Administration in the buildup to the war.

There appears to be no limit to the lengths to which Rove - and this Administration - will go. But, there is a limit to the patience of the American people - and we have reached it. President Bush has a choice to make: Spend the months ahead focused on protecting Karl Rove's job security or spend them focused on protecting America's national security.

We are asking the President and the White House to do what they promised. When the scandal first broke, here's what the President's spokesman, Scott McClellan, said:

"If anyone in this Administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this Administration." (9/29/03, White House press briefing). Now we will find out if the Administration honors its word. Call on President Bush to keep his word and fire Rove now:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

It's as simple as this: We need President Bush and his White House staff to focus on finally taking action necessary to avoid a quagmire in Iraq. The American people can't afford to wait while the White House spends its time and energy defending a top presidential aide's dangerous political maneuvers.

In the days ahead, the President will either make good on his promise to hold accountable those who shared the identity of a secret soldier in the war on terror - or he'll prove that promise hollow.

We now know that Karl Rove "was involved" in a breach of national security. Decency - and the interests of the American people - demand an end to Karl Rove's days in the White House. It's time for you to demand it as well.

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

I urge you to take action right now.

Sincerely,

John Kerry


19 posted on 07/12/2005 1:01:07 PM PDT by mund1011
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To: Steve_Seattle

Excellent analysis.


20 posted on 07/12/2005 1:02:06 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (fiat voluntas Tua)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Unless Soros is secretly buying....

I sincerely believe this tactic is used with many authors suffering from a sales slump or those attempting to show inflated figures. Copies of Johnny Cochran's book are housed in a local storage facility - in every unit of the warehouse but one - I'm renting that one and was asked to vacate as Mr. Cochran needed the additional space. Obviously this story is over a year old and I have no idea if his estate is still paying the fees.

21 posted on 07/12/2005 1:02:10 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: Bahbah
moveon is the one with the petition.

MoveOnPAC to Bush: Keep your promise; Fire Karl Rove

22 posted on 07/12/2005 1:02:23 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: mund1011

I followed the link and signed the petition with a phony name under a stealth email that I use for such nefarious purposes. If anyone would like to know the name I used for it, FReepMail me and I'll tell ya.


23 posted on 07/12/2005 1:05:12 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (fiat voluntas Tua)
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To: SueRae
"God forbid the mainstream media be confused by the facts."

They aren't confused; they committed themselves to the "Bush tried to 'punish' Wilson by 'outing' his wife" story-line on Day 1, and they aren't going to let any facts get in the way of that. They've systematically ignored every contrary fact that's come out, and have continued to rely on unfounded accusations to try Rove in the court of public opinion. And it has failed, and will fail, unless some real evidence of wrong-doing finally comes out.

Meanwhile, the media almost totally ignored the Sandy Berger case, where there was an admission of stealing and destroying classified documents. That story vanished into history faster than the foam settles on a glass of beer.
24 posted on 07/12/2005 1:07:10 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

but isnt suspicion of collusion at the heart of this, no matter what side of the fence youre on? isnt there a concern over corporate bias from "the other side?"
the liberals are looking to get a grip on something, and theyre going to keep grabbing until they do.
you can call me what you will, but ideologues are fallable, no matter which side you stand on


25 posted on 07/12/2005 1:07:20 PM PDT by benben
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Until the 'Rats started demonizing Rove maybe a couple of years ago I had never heard of him. I hear hes been with Bush a long time but geez, he's just an adviser isn't he?
What the hell is the big deal? Or am I missing something here?
27 posted on 07/12/2005 1:13:22 PM PDT by saleman
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To: minnesotared

So far, there is no proof that Rove mentioned Plame by name, or that he was motivated by a sense to "punish" Wilson. He was merely setting the facts straight, countering false media reports that Dick Cheney had recruited Wilson for the Niger trip. If anyone in this scenario has repeatedly been found to be lying, it is Joseph Wilson.


28 posted on 07/12/2005 1:13:52 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: minnesotared

It MAY be Rove??? The media is bending over backwards to parse everything to make it sound that way. That tells me that they know it ISN'T Rove.


29 posted on 07/12/2005 1:15:48 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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30 posted on 07/12/2005 1:18:19 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: minnesotared

It was mentioned on Fox News this morning that Rove's email to Cooper was dated after Novak's Plame/Wilson/Niger column was printed. The timing makes the Rove "controversy" and your consistency statements moot. Oh, and welcome to Free Republic.


31 posted on 07/12/2005 1:19:19 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: minnesotared

The story you linked to had nothing to do with Plame. Or didn't you notice that? This is the kind of crap DU folks do all the time, refrence "evidence" that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. So please tell me and everyone here what your link has to do with Rove. Inquiring minds want to know.

Oh, nevermind, just STFU Troll.


32 posted on 07/12/2005 1:19:20 PM PDT by saleman
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To: benben

As far as Rove is concerned, here is what seems to have happened: There were media reports that Dick Cheney had commissioned Joe Wilson's Niger trip, and that Cheney had disregarded Wilson's report because it undermined administration claims about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger. Cooper called Rove to ask about this, and Rove said it was false: Cheney had not authorized the trip - it was dreamed up by a CIA group who recruited Wilson at the suggestion of his wife, a CIA employee. Moreover, Cheney did not know Wilson, had never met him, and had never seen his report. Now, if you see criminal wrongdoing on the part of Rove in any of this, I'd like you to tell me what it was that he did wrong.


33 posted on 07/12/2005 1:20:06 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: RWR8189
Where is the EPA when they are needed? The Democraps should all be FLUSHED out of the congress and a clean air environment established!
34 posted on 07/12/2005 1:25:04 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: RushCrush

It was amazing to watch David Gregory go after Scott McClelland tooth and fang. He looked like a rabid dog. I understand why the dems are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but the MSM should be capable of seeing the way the wind is blowing, yet they try to hold the party line. They will be made to look very, very foolish and will result in further marginalizing the MSM. Have they not heard of internet bloggers? They are the compass as the story gets directed off course. There is discussion and there are instantly thousands, tens of thousands of editors, some extremely well informed. Yet they keep up their trash talk.


35 posted on 07/12/2005 1:26:39 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: saleman

What you didn't mention about minnesotared's link is that it pointed to a story describing how the New York Times had blown the cover of a CIA operative who was providng valuable information about Al Quaeda. That's quite a strange link for minnesotared to cite as an argument against Rove. lol


36 posted on 07/12/2005 1:26:52 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Don't forget Cooper.


37 posted on 07/12/2005 1:27:14 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: Texas Songwriter

To paraphrase the song, "The media has their story and they're sticking to it." They will not let facts get in the way of a good story - how did CBS put it? - "false but accurate"?


38 posted on 07/12/2005 1:30:38 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: minnesotared
***See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187175/posts
Now that it's revealed that it may be Rove, suddenly it's ok? ***

Go back to the DU troll.

39 posted on 07/12/2005 1:31:15 PM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Steve_Seattle

youre now asking me to take the side of attempting to explain what Rove did wrong?
i aint gonna do that.
i think all the fury is trying to get at the false claims to go to war. i think that the fury is about wanting to hold the President to statements he made about how anyone in his admin connected to this - leaked this, would be fired. i also think there is a fury to make this heated and of the essence.
at the root, there isnt much to stand on.


40 posted on 07/12/2005 1:32:42 PM PDT by benben
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To: minnesotared
Back when it was reported that there was a leak, everyone here was screaming Treason, or screaming to have the scoundrel thrown into jail.

It all depends on what the meaning of the word "leak" is. To hear the MSM say it, Rove was like "hey, bud. I don't like the way Joe Wilson is sniffing too close to my secret plan to destroy the world. So let me tell you, his wife, Valerie Plaime, is an undercover super spy, and if anyone found that out her life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel."

From the account, it doesn't seem that this was the case at all when Rove told Cooper that he was barking up the wrong tree.

Now, the Judith Miller source COULD be a mole at the White House whose intention WAS to embarrass the Administration and undermine the War On Terror. In which case, it's possible the "traitor" angle will still stand.

42 posted on 07/12/2005 1:37:07 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority ("There is no terrorist threat! There is no terrorist threat!" - Michael Moore)
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To: minnesotared

I'm not the one who called you a troll; in fact, to my knowledge, I've never called anyone in here a troll, on any thread, in the five or six years I've been in here. I did point out, however, that you linked to a tstory that cast aspersions on the NYT, not on Karl Rove, and on a matter unrelated to the Plame case.


43 posted on 07/12/2005 1:37:12 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Excellent reply. Your "Hey, bud . . . " scenario is EXACTLY what the media have been trying to imply, and this story about Cooper and Rove suggests nothing of the sort happened, at least as far as the Cooper/Rove connection is concerned.


44 posted on 07/12/2005 1:40:03 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

..."cast aspersions"...
nice!


45 posted on 07/12/2005 1:40:26 PM PDT by benben
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To: Jazzman1

I have been fighting in a foreum all day long with stupid young lefties. They are stupid and get their info straight off Du and move onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.


46 posted on 07/12/2005 1:40:36 PM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
From Day 1, this has been a media creation and a media fixation.

The Media is still trying to set the agenda.

47 posted on 07/12/2005 1:40:55 PM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: saleman
Until the 'Rats started demonizing Rove maybe a couple of years ago I had never heard of him. I hear hes been with Bush a long time but geez, he's just an adviser isn't he?

The Liberal fantasy is that Bush is a complete idiot, yet the hard reality is that he keeps winning electoral and political victories.

To explain the disconnect, it is posited that George W. Bush is the sock puppet of some shadowy neo-conservative overlords - primarily Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.

But, yeah. Your basic premise is correct. Clinton went through several advisors, some of whom died under mysterious circumstances. Heck, the man even had his own dog murdered. Yet, through it all, Clinton was always Clinton.

48 posted on 07/12/2005 1:44:23 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority ("There is no terrorist threat! There is no terrorist threat!" - Michael Moore)
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To: benben
"cast aspersions"

I'm not sure what you're referring to; I don't think I or anyone else used that phrase in a recent post.
49 posted on 07/12/2005 1:44:56 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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No not strange at all. The guy's an idiot DU'er and that's the way they look at all things political. You have to understand, facts and logic don't matter. Common sense sure as hell doesn't matter. Nothing matters except getting Bush or any Republican, and regaining power. Doesn't matter if it hurts the country. Doesn't matter if it aids terrorist organizations or enemy's of the US. IMO many on the left are nothing but traitors. I hope one day they will get their due.
50 posted on 07/12/2005 1:47:16 PM PDT by saleman
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