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THE PASSIVE KARL ROVE AND THE ACTIVE JUDITH MILLER
The Corner ^ | July 12 2005 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 07/12/2005 3:10:12 PM PDT by Dog

Stick with me--this is a long post.

Byron York has a vital detail in his must-read piece right now on the main part of the NRO website. Karl Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, tells Byron that Time's Matt Cooper called Rove to talk about something else and that only secondarily did the subject of Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame come up.

This is important, because it means Rove wasn't "retailing" the information about Wilson and Plame -- wasn't reporter-shopping to drop a dirty dime on those involved -- but was rather a passive source, answering a phone call at the reporter's behest and presumably changing topics to the sexier one at issue at the reporter's behest as well.

Since Rove-centric psychos can devise any scenario whereby he manipulates people into doing everything he wants, I doubt this detail will change any minds in Daily Kos-ville. But it offers an important and nagging clue to the continuing antics of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. What do I mean?

It means that clearly information was circulating around Washington about the identity of Wilson's CIA operative wife Valerie Plame. The presumption has thus far been in most quarters that the only people who could have known about this were administration officials.

But what if that's not right? What if the original source for the "Wilson got the job from his CIA wife" was, in fact, a reporter? After all, we know that the vice president's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, has testified he learned of Plame's identity from a journalist.

Wilson had gotten very cozy with a couple of them -- Walter Pincus of the Washington Post and Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times among them. What if he spilled the beans to enhance his own standing in the story somehow, to bolster his supposed findings?

What if -- and here's where it gets really interesting -- what if the real target of Fitzgerald's investigation is now none other than the jailed Judith Miller of the New York Times? What if she let it all slip and in the giant game of telephone around the nation's capital, Miller was the original source? What if he needs her notes to discern whether Miller knew or didn't know of Plame's supposedly covert status?

Fitzgerald already has a major bone to pick with Miller. He believes she materially and dangerously impeded his investigation into a terrorist-financing scheme run by the Holy Land Foundation.

When Miller found out that Fitzgerald was on the verge of indicting Holy Land, she called the Foundation for comment -- and right after her call the Foundation commenced a shredding party that ensured prosecutors would find little paperwork to go on when they raided the Holy Land offices.

As the Washington Post put it, "On Dec. 3, 2001, Times reporter Judith Miller telephoned officials with the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, a Texas-based charity accused of being a front for Palestinian terrorists, and asked for a comment about what she said was the government's probable crackdown on the group. U.S. officials said this conversation and Miller's article on the subject in the Times on Dec. 4 increased the likelihood that the foundation destroyed or hid records before a hastily organized raid by agents that day."

Fitzgerald sought her phone records on that occasion to uncover the source of a potential leak in his own office and was blocked by a liberal New York judge named Robert Sweet. Miller didn't get so lucky this time. Fitzgerald thinks Miller has a loose tongue, and for good reason. It's possible he's trying to figure out what other mischief her loose tongue might have caused.

Chew on that for a while. I'm exhausted. Posted at 05:55 PM


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: byronyork; cialeak; hlf; holylandfoundation; plame; podhoretz; valerieplame
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Wilson had gotten very cozy with a couple of them -- Walter Pincus of the Washington Post
1 posted on 07/12/2005 3:10:13 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Fedora; Shermy; cyncooper

Someone else.... is asking what if it was a reporter?


2 posted on 07/12/2005 3:11:46 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog

According to briefs filed in court, Fitzgerald wants Miller to tell him the substance of a conversation she had with someone who has already given her a waiver. That is not a very large set of people.


3 posted on 07/12/2005 3:14:25 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Dog

Ofcourse it was, when Karl Rove siad it was Wilson's wife that sent him to some hellhole. What did Cooper do......started calling his reporter buddies to find out what theat blonde chicks name is that Wilson is seen at every social function in D.C. with. I'm sure Sally Quinn (social diva) knew her name.


4 posted on 07/12/2005 3:16:03 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Dog

"When Miller found out that Fitzgerald was on the verge of indicting Holy Land, she called the Foundation for comment -- and right after her call the Foundation commenced a shredding party that ensured prosecutors would find little paperwork to go on when they raided the Holy Land offices."


5 posted on 07/12/2005 3:17:43 PM PDT by nairBResal
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To: Dog

Interesting column. I've always thought the original leaker was none other than Joe Wilson himself.


6 posted on 07/12/2005 3:18:15 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Howlin; Mo1

Check this out..


7 posted on 07/12/2005 3:18:23 PM PDT by Dog
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To: normy

What a coinky dink, check out the latter half of this article...


8 posted on 07/12/2005 3:19:57 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Dog

My money is still on Joe Wilson being the original leaker. Miller or somebody else may have passed it on, but I suspect that good ol' Joe is the boy responsible. And I'll even speculate Judith Miller is going to jail rather than reveal that Joe Wilson is her source.


9 posted on 07/12/2005 3:20:12 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Dog

Outstanding post!

I feel safer knowing Miller is in jail, let's keep her there.


10 posted on 07/12/2005 3:22:10 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: eureka!; Howlin

I get giddy hoping this will be tied to an inside the beltway reporter..


11 posted on 07/12/2005 3:22:37 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog; Fedora; Mitchell; cyncooper; Howlin; Mo1; Wolfstar

"It means that clearly information was circulating around Washington about the identity of Wilson's CIA operative wife Valerie Plame."

Identity, but her role in the Niger trip too?

I think there's multiple leaks. Novak's was related to the White House. Miller might have been telling other reporters what she learned from Tenet or other prior souce for her in her WMD stories. As for Rove/White House, how did they find out?

I think through Colin Powell or assistant Lawrence Wilkerson. They ordered up the INR (State Department) memos about the meeting hiring Wilson. Press reports said Powell was quizzed on this. One analyst wrote Plame "convened" the meeting. That is closer to Rove's word "authorized" than came out in the CIA memo, Plame's own, in which she was clearly recommending hubby for the trip, not appointing him.

BTW, the State Department memo said Plame said Wilson would be travelling to the region soon on business. One source reportedly said the trip was a "boondoggle." That description probably comes from the implication Wilson got a free ride for a trip he was already planning. Perhaps that trip involved the Niger gold interests the Vanity Fair article mentioned.


12 posted on 07/12/2005 3:23:24 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: eureka!

Very very interesting


13 posted on 07/12/2005 3:27:02 PM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: r9etb

"My money is still on Joe Wilson being the original leaker."

Wilson allegedly talked about his wife being in the CIA, but a very much doubt he would say his wife got him the trip to Niger.


14 posted on 07/12/2005 3:27:06 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Dog
I've been reading on other threads that months ago Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, issued a statements on this case. He stated that the investigation had branched out into other issues.

One of the other issues was a planned raid on a phony "charity" that was leaked and somebody tipped off the "charity" in time to thwart the raid.

Now Podhoretz is saying Miller herself might be the leaker who also tipped off the charity! No wonder she is keeping her mouth shut. So much for journalistic principles - she might be protecting herself.
15 posted on 07/12/2005 3:27:20 PM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: Shermy
Correction:

I think there's multiple leaks. Novak's was NOT related to the White House.

16 posted on 07/12/2005 3:27:56 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Dog

Someone has finally printed what a lot of us have thought all aong. We know that Rove told them to spill their guts so why is Miller so h<ll bent on going to jail?. Who is she trying to protect? What's the worst case scenario for Judith Miller? Hmmm.


17 posted on 07/12/2005 3:28:03 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (...when the Iraqi soldiers stand up, we will stand down...GWB)
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To: Dog
Someone else.... is asking what if it was a reporter?

Yes!

Ain't it fascinatin'?

Karl Rove is brilliant. The liberofascists leap upon a passing remark and reveal their own operatives as stupid political shills married to memo-producing weapons-of-mass-destruction pimps who recommend their incompetent husbands for front-line spy duty.

And, as a bonus, he nails a NYT-wit reporter who thinks she is above the law. She is now pursued by a Democrat special prosecutor (Fitzgerald) who is trying to make a name for himself while prosecuting a possible violation of the law in a Republican administration that is hated by the liberofascist base of the Democrat party.

BUT: there has been no violation of the law (except by Wilson, who probably has committed perjury), and the NYT has engaged a story that will not prove true or worthwhile, in the summer when no one really cares anyway, and just in time to make the lib Democrat senators in the Senate look childish, without judgment or maturity, and merely obstructionist in nature and purpose.

Brilliant. Absolutely. Brilliant. Win-win-win-win-win.

I love it.

18 posted on 07/12/2005 3:28:15 PM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Dog
Here is the Byron York article
19 posted on 07/12/2005 3:29:30 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Dog
Fitzgerald already has a major bone to pick with Miller. He believes she materially and dangerously impeded his investigation into a terrorist-financing scheme run by the Holy Land Foundation.

When Miller found out that Fitzgerald was on the verge of indicting Holy Land, she called the Foundation for comment -- and right after her call the Foundation commenced a shredding party that ensured prosecutors would find little paperwork to go on when they raided the Holy Land offices.

Is there room for her at Gitmo?

20 posted on 07/12/2005 3:29:36 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Dog

I'm with you! I'd give anything if it were told to Terry Moran by Joe Wilson!


21 posted on 07/12/2005 3:29:38 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Dog

Me too. That Miller's source has released her means that Fitzgerald knows who it is. Still, he wants her before the GJ under oath. Hmmmmm. Inquiring minds...


22 posted on 07/12/2005 3:30:12 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: cyncooper

John Podhoretz has been reading your stuff......;)


23 posted on 07/12/2005 3:32:03 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Shermy
Wilson allegedly talked about his wife being in the CIA, but a very much doubt he would say his wife got him the trip to Niger.

Oh, I don't know. Makes a swell anecdote to spice up the conversation a bit with your intimates. I'd expect nothing less from a fellow whose response to this allegedly heinous crime was this:


24 posted on 07/12/2005 3:32:09 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Howlin

I think you mispelled his name. It's Terry Moron. LOL


25 posted on 07/12/2005 3:32:12 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (...when the Iraqi soldiers stand up, we will stand down...GWB)
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To: robomurph

FYI (see the latter half of the article)...


26 posted on 07/12/2005 3:32:50 PM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Shermy
Wilson allegedly talked about his wife being in the CIA, but a very much doubt he would say his wife got him the trip to Niger.

That's what makes the Wilson angle so relevant in this case. In public at least, he was doing exactly the opposite -- he was denying that she had any role in his trip at all (which later turned out to be absolutely false). His role in this story as the author of an op-ed piece for the NY Times makes the newspaper a party to the story, and therefore unable to report on it in an objective manner (not that they're objective anyway).

The other alternative I've considered here is that Miller isn't protecting any source at all. Perhaps she intended to identify Plame by name simply because a whole bunch of people in Washington already knew who she was -- and Miller is now going to jail rather than admit that her "source in Washington" just doesn't exist.

27 posted on 07/12/2005 3:33:36 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: GOP_Proud
Who is she trying to protect? What's the worst case scenario for Judith Miller? Hmmm.

History repeats itself.


28 posted on 07/12/2005 3:37:51 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: r9etb

Brit Hume just said Plame was the one who notified Joe Wilson that he was assigned the trip to Niger. She started with "There's this crazy report (about Saddam wanting to buy uranium from Niger)." Wilson's attorney also denied that Wilson's wife involved in the sending of Joe to Niger...even though a CIA agent testified to that and there is a email from Plame recommending that her husband should be assigned to go.

Also on Fox tonight, John Gibson recommended that Rove be given a medal for exposing a CIA agent (Plame) who knows her husbands thoughts on the war has the CIA send her husband on such a critical mission. Who was trying to harm national security???? "There's this crazy report...", nope, no bias there!


29 posted on 07/12/2005 3:37:58 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: NathanBookman
Wilson's attorney also denied that Wilson's wife involved in the sending of Joe to Niger...even though a CIA agent testified to that and there is a email from Plame recommending that her husband should be assigned to go.

They got her emails!

Never play poker with a Texan..

30 posted on 07/12/2005 3:40:22 PM PDT by Dog
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To: NathanBookman

If Joe Wilson and Val tesify to the GJ???


31 posted on 07/12/2005 3:41:17 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
Lets do that again.

Did Wlison and his wife tesify in front of the GJ?

32 posted on 07/12/2005 3:42:06 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
"... what if the real target of Fitzgerald's investigation is now none other than the jailed Judith Miller of the New York Times? What if she let it all slip and in the giant game of telephone around the nation's capital, Miller was the original source?"

Ooh! Ooh! I want to answer!

If the jailed NYT reporterette Judith Miller is the one who let Valerie Plame's identity slip, the entire mainsteam media will do an abrupt 180-degree turn in heavy traffic and claim "Oh come ON, man! *Everyone* knew who Valerie Plame was the CIA agent wife of Ambassador Joe Wilson! FREE JUDITH MILLER!"

33 posted on 07/12/2005 3:43:15 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: NathanBookman

Brit Hume just said Plame was the one who notified Joe Wilson that he was assigned the trip to Niger. She started with "There's this crazy report (about Saddam wanting to buy uranium from Niger)."

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http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/13jul20041400/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/s108-301/sec2.pdf


34 posted on 07/12/2005 3:57:55 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Rove's lawyer isn't really helping things with statements like this (at least I dont think it helps)

The lawyer for top White House adviser Karl Rove says that Time reporter Matthew Cooper "burned" Rove after a conversation between the two men concerning former ambassador Joseph Wilson's fact-finding mission to Niger and the role Wilson's wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, played in arranging that trip. Nevertheless, attorney Robert Luskin says Rove long ago gave his permission for all reporters, including Cooper, to tell prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald about their conversations with Rove.

Maybe it does help because it implies it wasnt Rove who gave last minute permission.

35 posted on 07/12/2005 4:03:45 PM PDT by grondram (The problem with the middle of the road is that you're passed on all sides and likely to be runover.)
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To: Dog; Shermy

Good article.

I'm leaning towards multiple leaks as well. It also seems logical to conclude the reporters who actualy wrote articles related to this were only a subset of the full number of reporters who were aware of Plame's CIA background, which unfortunately would further complicate things.

The possibility of information passing through a Wilkerson-Powell channel is interesting. That could've down up or down the chain, too.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 4:07:31 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Shermy

Wilson denied his wife got him the Niger gig in his book, but the senate committee found a memo written by Plame recommending him. He's a flat liar. On his website he named his wife as a CIA person--long before KR ever had a conversation with cooper. Also Aldrich Ames outted Plame 9+ years ago.
The whole whole thing is hysterical!! Typical liberals.


37 posted on 07/12/2005 4:08:07 PM PDT by jackv
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To: Shermy
I think there's multiple leaks

Me too. And yes, I think Judith Miller more than likely spilled to Cooper, who then found some mundane reason to call Karl Rove; and in asidem, wrangled about the Niger story; using whatever Karl Rove said as a "confirmation". Miller has the same waiver as Cooper, right?

Miller is doing time for the NY Times.

38 posted on 07/12/2005 4:08:18 PM PDT by Alia (Free Karl Rove! No Justice No Peace!)
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To: jackv

Judith Miller is hiding something embarrasing to Dems/Libs. Her supposed source, is Rove. OR IS IT??????


39 posted on 07/12/2005 4:09:47 PM PDT by jw777
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To: Temple Owl

ping


40 posted on 07/12/2005 4:12:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: grondram
Karl Rove got "burned". What this means? Not that Karl Rove said anything about Plame; but that when issue B in that phone call Miller made to Karl Rove was brought up (Niger); Karl Rove went out of his way to simply advise Cooper to not believe everything he hears -- that there was surely a larger story about the Niger event.

Ergo, Karl Rove got "burned" through trying to be helpful on a matter not at all directly related to PLAME in the phone call. And Cooper, and mad, mad, mad, mad liberal MSM (and their Democrat shills) trying to twist this story into something it is not.

41 posted on 07/12/2005 4:12:06 PM PDT by Alia (Free Karl Rove! No Justice No Peace!)
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To: Shermy

Thanks for the link. I liked this part:

"...becasue INR analysts did not believe that Niger would be likely to engage in such a transaction and did not believe Niger would be able to transfer uranium to Iraq because a French consortium maintained control of the Nigerien uranium industry."

A French consortium maintained control. I wonder if it was the same French consortium that received the oil-for-food bribes???


42 posted on 07/12/2005 4:14:19 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Shermy
As for Rove/White House, how did they find out?

I sleep well at night with the confidence that these folks can know just about anything they want, when they want.

43 posted on 07/12/2005 4:14:30 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: grondram
oops..."Not that Karl Rove said anything about Plame; but that when issue B in that phone call Miller "...make that...

Not that Karl Rove said anything about Plame; but that when issue B in that phone call COOPER made to Rove...

44 posted on 07/12/2005 4:14:58 PM PDT by Alia (Free Karl Rove! No Justice No Peace!)
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To: jw777

It's got to be a lib, if the NYT is maintaining her "silence". Somebody they're embarrassed about outting. heheheh!


45 posted on 07/12/2005 4:22:09 PM PDT by jackv
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To: Dog
Never play poker with a Texan.

It really is nice that there are grownups in the WH that see the big picture.

46 posted on 07/12/2005 4:22:32 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: NathanBookman
Also on Fox tonight, John Gibson recommended that Rove be given a medal for exposing a CIA agent (Plame) who knows her husbands thoughts on the war has the CIA send her husband on such a critical mission.

Indeed, I've been asking why we aren't referring to Rove as a whistleblower, who should be protected by the whistleblower laws covering federal employees. Deep Throat and Daniel Ellsberg actually did break laws, and they are held up by the media as whistleblowing heroes.

47 posted on 07/12/2005 4:23:07 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Alia
Alia,

Sorry about that, my post was sloppy. "Cooper burned Carl Rove" is a quote from the Byron YorK Story I was quoting.

I left out the link.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200507121626.asp

Here is that post in a little better context

Lawyer: Cooper “Burned” Karl Rove Rove’s attorney talks to NRO.

The lawyer for top White House adviser Karl Rove says that Time reporter Matthew Cooper "burned" Rove after a conversation between the two men concerning former ambassador Joseph Wilson's fact-finding mission to Niger and the role Wilson's wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, played in arranging that trip. Nevertheless, attorney Robert Luskin says Rove long ago gave his permission for all reporters, including Cooper, to tell prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald about their conversations with Rove.

In an interview with National Review Online, Luskin compared the contents of a July 11, 2003, internal Time e-mail written by Cooper with the wording of a story Cooper co-wrote a few days later. "By any definition, he burned Karl Rove," Luskin said of Cooper. "If you read what Karl said to him and read how Cooper characterizes it in the article, he really spins it in a pretty ugly fashion to make it seem like people in the White House were affirmatively reaching out to reporters to try to get them to them to report negative information about Plame."

I'm also new to the formatting around here and was afraid to try to format more of the story. I'm sorry for any confusion.

48 posted on 07/12/2005 4:27:26 PM PDT by grondram (The problem with the middle of the road is that you're passed on all sides and likely to be runover.)
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To: Dog

Wasn't Walter Pincus bragging about being have to get his on classified documents?


49 posted on 07/12/2005 4:27:43 PM PDT by Mo1 (We will stay in the fight until the fight is won ~~~ President G.W. Bush)
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To: jackv

Bush orders an investigation. That right there, threw them for a loop. I knew as soon as he called for a Special Counsel that it was a Dem/Lib in trouble.


50 posted on 07/12/2005 4:29:47 PM PDT by jw777
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