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Paris city hall will not honour Scientologist Cruise(passed resolution to diss him)
AFP ^ | 07/12/05

Posted on 07/12/2005 7:58:13 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Paris city hall will not honour Scientologist Cruise

Tue Jul 12, 7:42 AM ET

The Paris city hall has pledged not to make US actor Tom Cruise an honorary citizen because of his membership of the Church of Scientology.

In a debate late Monday, the Socialist-controlled municipal assembly approved a resolution "never to welcome the actor Tom Cruise, spokesman for Scientology and self-declared militant for this organisation."

Last month on a promotional tour for his film "War of the Worlds," the 43-year-old star chose the Eiffel Tower to propose to girlfriend Katie Holmes. He was also made an honorary citizen of the southern French city of Marseille.

Like many other European governments, the French authorities view Scientology -- founded in the United States in 1954 by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard -- as a dangerous cult.

Cruise was described as a "sect-symbol" by a Socialist deputy.


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Last month on a promotional tour for his film "War of the Worlds," the 43-year-old star chose the Eiffel Tower to propose to girlfriend Katie Holmes.

Since Cruise "exploited" Paris for his PR by doing this stunt, they slapped him with the resolution od "non-welcome." Still it looks petty.

French left are just as much nutcases as Cruise. However, they apparently fail to notice.

1 posted on 07/12/2005 7:58:16 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

That so funny rack this town

Hey Tiger I read W magazine with future MRs Tom Cruize Katie Holmes OH MY GOD can you say brainwashing not only interviewer was told to ask certain question to Katie there was friend who only been her friend for six week this friend happen to be Scientlogist observer and according to interviewr Katie was looking over the shoulder

IT A CULT Scientlogy it was develop by failed sci fi writer L Ron Hubbard


2 posted on 07/12/2005 8:03:02 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Such a shame. They deserve each other.


3 posted on 07/12/2005 8:07:03 PM PDT by mmercier
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Say, the French are on quite a roll. First they vote down the EU, then they diss the unofficial Church of Satan. Not bad.


4 posted on 07/12/2005 8:09:03 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It's a cult. Nothing but.


5 posted on 07/12/2005 8:11:20 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
LOL. Now if only the French would recognize the dangers in their Islamofascist immigrant problem... but I guess it's a start. And the French are right, the way Cruise handled the proposal, it was like one big Tom promo. Note - not a TomKat promo or WOTF promo, just him, as always.

Like many other European governments, the French authorities view Scientology -- founded in the United States in 1954 by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard -- as a dangerous cult.

This must be one of those prime examples of what Hitler meant by repeating a lie often enough. Scientology was not a religion invented by Hubbard in 1954. Dianetics was a poorly written science fiction book written by Hubbard in the 50's (54?) that morphed into self-help in the 70's and that he turned in to a 'religion' shortly after, on a bet really that he could start a religion and quickly grow rich separating sheeple from their money. He cruised (pun intended) the talk show circuits in the 70's hoping to lure show-biz people in and the proof is in the pudding. In the mid-90's he and his cult fought like hell to keep the 'secrets' of their 'religion' from being freely posted on the internet. They lost, and now we know how the upper level members believe in aliens, and what their thoughts are on psychiatry and illness in general. Some of this had been kept secret from 'lower level' members until they had been sufficiently hooked in. So many articles as of late refer to it as a religion founded by Hubbard in the 50's, lending it a false credibility, very misleading, possibly intentional by some.

6 posted on 07/12/2005 8:21:02 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Like many other European governments, the French authorities view Scientology -- founded in the United States in 1954 by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard -- as a dangerous cult.

If only they would do the same with islam.

7 posted on 07/12/2005 8:21:38 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Scientology is dangerous only in that it offends Pychiatrists who peddle chemical imbalances everywhere they go. Cruise is right even if Scientology is wrong as a "religion". People need to deal with and learn to cope with the real underlying problems in their lives. Depression is a normal response to problems in ones life, you lose your job, get a disease, wreck your car, have a conflict with your wife, lose a child and is there any wonder you feel depressed? What most folks need is someone to talk to them and get them out and about. Its been my experience that most people who are cronically depressed need a friend and a purpose not a pill. A brain is a complex self affecting organ and though it is tempting to write off real deficiencies in your life, your parenting, your spouse, your workplace to the catch all "chemical imbalance" one should think twice before shackling themselves with a chemical dependancy that locks them into a holding pattern of mediocrity. We feel bad for a reason and usually it means we are screwing up or need to change our behavior, change our thoughts, or our path in life. I imagine Jesus would've been labeled as having a chemical imbalance because his brain and thoughts didn't fit the "norm" which brings us to the big question is what is the methodology used to determine what is a "normal" chemical balance? I suppose people who don't fit the average height are experiencing a height imbalance? What is more suspicious is the vast numbers of people that are postulated to have chemical imbalances and not even know it. It certainly makes one wonder how humanity got along without Prozac and all the other wonder drugs. How ever did they control their children and their depressions?


9 posted on 07/12/2005 8:29:37 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (One man's chemical imblanace is another's eureka.)
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How ever did they control their children and their depressions?

They locked them away in attics, prisons or asylums.

10 posted on 07/12/2005 8:33:29 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Ma3lst0rm
How ever did they control their children and their depressions?

Let me tell you... I sure there had been drugs for my mother who was depressed and violent. Made for a miserable life for me. My aunt was also treated (barbarically) with electric shock treatments and both my sisters have been institutionalized for depression.

Anti-depressants saved my life!

11 posted on 07/12/2005 8:35:00 PM PDT by WarPaint (Crush Islam)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Maybe they could have tried the "resolution of non-welcome" 65 years ago.


12 posted on 07/12/2005 8:35:59 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: Ma3lst0rm


So David Berkowitz just had a off-beat sense of humor?


13 posted on 07/12/2005 8:37:06 PM PDT by james500
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To: Judith Anne
They locked them away in attics, prisons or asylums.

You got that right on!

14 posted on 07/12/2005 8:37:18 PM PDT by WarPaint (Crush Islam)
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To: WarPaint

Psychotropic medications are not perfect, nor are they a cure-all, but for those who are in need, they represent a big step forward from the barbarism of years past.

A person with a truly broken mind (from whatever cause) can no more "cure" him/herself with the help of a friend who gets him/her out and about than a person with a fractured femur can "walk it off."

Tom Cruise is really, really ignorant on this subject.


15 posted on 07/12/2005 8:46:16 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: fortunecookie
Scientology was not a religion invented by Hubbard in 1954.

Picky, Picky. Hubbard incorporated the Church of American Science, the Church of Scientology, and the Church of Spiritual Engineering in December 1953

16 posted on 07/12/2005 8:47:42 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (well you asked!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Like many other European governments, the French authorities view Scientology -- founded in the United States in 1954 by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard -- as a dangerous cult.

Cruise was described as a "sect-symbol" by a Socialist deputy.

But they totally ignore a cult founded in 622 AD that really is dangerous.

17 posted on 07/12/2005 8:55:10 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Cruise was described as a "sect-symbol" by a Socialist deputy."

From "sex-symbol" to "sect-symbol". How far we've fallen.

:(|)

18 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:25 PM PDT by monkeybrau
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Like many other European governments, the French authorities view Scientology -- founded in the United States in 1954 by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard -- as a dangerous cult.

If there is a dangerous cult they need to be worried about, it is Islam.

19 posted on 07/12/2005 9:00:28 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Anybody know whether Matt and Trey are planning "Team America II"? Because Tom sure seems to be hand-feeding them material for it.


20 posted on 07/12/2005 9:04:44 PM PDT by RichInOC (Does Scientology require you to be crazy to join, or does it just work out that way?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

First Oprah, then Tom. The French do have their good side.


21 posted on 07/12/2005 9:07:14 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Ms Jeezlooweez

Kook alert! :-)


22 posted on 07/12/2005 9:08:00 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I guess the French aren't falling for that space alien stuff either.
23 posted on 07/12/2005 9:14:44 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Ma3lst0rm
Scientology is dangerous only in that it offends Pychiatrists who peddle chemical imbalances everywhere they go.

You really need to do more research before making such statements. This is how Scientologists deal with mental health issues.

On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida. According to the coroner's report, Lisa was underweight, severely dehydrated, and had bruises and bug bites.

Lisa's last address was listed by the police as 210 S. Ft. Harrison in Clearwater Florida, which is the Fort Harrison Hotel, a Scientology property. Lisa had been a Scientologist from the age of 18 to her death at age 36.

Lisa was put on the Introspection Rundown that Scientology uses to handle those who have had a psychotic break.

On November 18, 1995, Lisa was involved in a minor car accident. She was apparently not hurt, but she got out of her car and took all her clothes off and seemed mentally unstable. She was taken to a hospital where she was physically evaluated as being unharmed, but the hospital wanted her to be psychologically cared for. However, some Scientologists arrived and stated that Lisa did not believe in psychiatry, and she checked out after a short evaluation and left with the Scientologists. She went with them to the Ft. Harrison Hotel for "rest and relaxation" according to the church, but church logs from Lisa's stay there from November 18 to her death December 5 show differently. Some logs are missing, and a high ranking ex-Scientologist has written an affidavit in which he claims that the church has in the past destroyed documents that might get the church in trouble.

Link to more info

24 posted on 07/12/2005 9:19:05 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

This is a parody of little Tommy that I came across from The Spoof! site:

New York - Tom Cruise, who clashed with Today show host Matt Lauer on Friday when Lauer brought up Cruise's earlier criticism of Brooke Shields for taking anti-depressants, issued an apology today for his belligerent behavior from Hollywood.

According to his publicist, Mr. Cruise failed to take his prescribed dose of Ritalin that morning and, as a result, was "a tiny bit on the edge."

"Tom is doing fine now," publicist/sister/fellow Scientologist, Lee Ann Devett explained to reporters. "Between his new bride's constant need for attention and being sprayed in the face with water last week at the London premiere of his new movie, it's more important than ever that he sticks to his strict regiment of exercise, vitamins, and Scientology. You see, Tom has a very fragile psyche," she continued. "When he goes off the vitamins, especially the Ritalin, he can be quite unpredictable."

Unpredictable indeed. Cruise went on the defensive during the Today show interview with Matt Lauer last week, accusing him of "knowing nothing about psychiatry." When Lauer pushed the issue, Cruise leaned toward him aggressively, stating "I've studied the history of psychiatry, Matt, and you haven't." He added, "I had to memorize the entire script of Rain Man once. Have you ever memorized a script about a savant, Matt? Well, have you Matt? "

Lauer's every attempt to refocus the star was met with further aggression. When Lauer asked about his new movie, War of The Worlds,Cruise responded, "You don't know anything about Martians, do you,Matt? I know about Martians. My first wife was a Martin. Have you ever been married to a Martian, Matt?"

"I was waiting for him to punch me," Lauer later said to an unnamed Today show insider. "The guy was out there, man. I mean, I've interviewed some nuts before, but holy crap."

This is the second incident of bizarre behavior involving Cruise and interviewers in recent weeks. While on the Oprah Winfrey show recently,Winfrey's personal security forces went on high alert as Cruise stood on her couch and raved wildly about himself.

"I came this close to taking the dude out," Rocky Lee Brown,Winfrey's chief security aide told reporters. "Nobody messes with Oprah on my watch...Nobody."

Ms. Winfrey herself had no comment regarding the incident.

Cruise's scheduled appearance on Dr. Phil next week has been cancelled.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/s­poof.cfm?headline=s4i8531


If you like it, I'll post more.


25 posted on 07/12/2005 9:30:48 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Regan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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This is a parody of little Tommy that I came across from The Spoof! site:

New York - Tom Cruise, who clashed with Today show host Matt Lauer on Friday when Lauer brought up Cruise's earlier criticism of Brooke Shields for taking anti-depressants, issued an apology today for his belligerent behavior from Hollywood.

According to his publicist, Mr. Cruise failed to take his prescribed dose of Ritalin that morning and, as a result, was "a tiny bit on the edge."

"Tom is doing fine now," publicist/sister/fellow Scientologist, Lee Ann Devett explained to reporters. "Between his new bride's constant need for attention and being sprayed in the face with water last week at the London premiere of his new movie, it's more important than ever that he sticks to his strict regiment of exercise, vitamins, and Scientology. You see, Tom has a very fragile psyche," she continued. "When he goes off the vitamins, especially the Ritalin, he can be quite unpredictable."

Unpredictable indeed. Cruise went on the defensive during the Today show interview with Matt Lauer last week, accusing him of "knowing nothing about psychiatry." When Lauer pushed the issue, Cruise leaned toward him aggressively, stating "I've studied the history of psychiatry, Matt, and you haven't." He added, "I had to memorize the entire script of Rain Man once. Have you ever memorized a script about a savant, Matt? Well, have you Matt? "

Lauer's every attempt to refocus the star was met with further aggression. When Lauer asked about his new movie, War of The Worlds,Cruise responded, "You don't know anything about Martians, do you,Matt? I know about Martians. My first wife was a Martin. Have you ever been married to a Martian, Matt?"

"I was waiting for him to punch me," Lauer later said to an unnamed Today show insider. "The guy was out there, man. I mean, I've interviewed some nuts before, but holy crap."

This is the second incident of bizarre behavior involving Cruise and interviewers in recent weeks. While on the Oprah Winfrey show recently,Winfrey's personal security forces went on high alert as Cruise stood on her couch and raved wildly about himself.

"I came this close to taking the dude out," Rocky Lee Brown,Winfrey's chief security aide told reporters. "Nobody messes with Oprah on my watch...Nobody."

Ms. Winfrey herself had no comment regarding the incident.

Cruise's scheduled appearance on Dr. Phil next week has been cancelled.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/s­poof.cfm?headline=s4i8531


If you like it, I'll post more.


26 posted on 07/12/2005 9:31:13 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Regan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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To: Luke21

Now, if they will just support us in the war in Iraq, they might just redeem themselves.


27 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:53 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: fortunecookie
John Travolta is a Scientologist. I just can't grasp that. He seems like he would be more intelligent than that. Years ago, when he was young, he was in a relationship with an older actress who died of cancer. He stayed with her until the end. She was a beautiful woman, I think her name was Diana Highland. Am I correct, anyone?
28 posted on 07/12/2005 9:40:06 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This from the same city that made cop-killer Mumia an honorary citizen...


29 posted on 07/12/2005 9:49:07 PM PDT by mondonico
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To: Ma3lst0rm
Obviously you have never had to deal with major depressive disorder. That is quite different from feeling bad because of a relationship, etc.

I have suffered from a major depressive/anxiety disorder since 1995. I was working too long and too hard. I had teenagers who were in crisis from time to time. However, that is not happening now. I am on medication which needs to be changed from time to time as one won't work forever. I can't control the times when I spiral down. I wish that I could. However, if it were not for the medication and the excellent treatment by my psychiatrist, I would be dead now. Instead, I am able to function pretty well most of the time. I managed to nurse my husband for the 2 1/2 years he fought cancer until he died.

I know I have a chemical imbalance because, without the meds, I go into a deep black hole and can't function at all. I have had to have ECT treatments to help with the chemical imbalance. They do work.

So, don't talk about something that you have no earthly idea about. Walk in our shoes for a few months and see how it feels before you judge us.
30 posted on 07/12/2005 9:50:11 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: WarPaint

God bless you. I hope you are doing well now. I am, too. Some people are ignorant of mental illness, but it is not right for them to judge what they know nothing about in such harsh terms.


31 posted on 07/12/2005 9:52:18 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: fortunecookie

Get your facts straight.


32 posted on 07/12/2005 9:52:42 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: Goodgirlinred
He stayed with her until the end. She was a beautiful woman, I think her name was Diana Highland. Am I correct, anyone?

Yes.

33 posted on 07/12/2005 9:53:31 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thank you. It is good to know my mind is still working. ;)


34 posted on 07/12/2005 10:12:04 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Goodgirlinred
Thank you. It is good to know my mind is still working. ;)

It is.

Travolta is rather quiet about Scientology. Cruise sounds as if he's coming unglued. Wonder if Cruise will end up getting the "Lisa McPherson" treatment.

35 posted on 07/12/2005 10:16:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I don't know what they will do with Cruise, but he needs help. It is really sad to see someone who had such promise go to pieces like that.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 10:18:48 PM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Yes their nut cases and most times just plain stupid.

However they can spot another fake like them miles off.

Like 5,000 miles off in Hollyweird, USA.
37 posted on 07/12/2005 10:21:40 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Goodgirlinred

He's not doing their cult any good. I'd hazard a guess and say they'll try to muzzle him. Cults don't normally like being in the spotlight.


38 posted on 07/12/2005 10:24:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yeah, I think you are right. I wonder if that is the reason he and Nicole were divorced. Maybe she did not buy into his "religion."

I wonder how many Hollywood types are in this cult? I wonder what it has that they want or lack?


39 posted on 07/13/2005 12:26:01 AM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Judith Anne

"How ever did they control their children and their depressions?
They locked them away in attics, prisons or asylums"

Many people, especially young people with untreated depression commit suicide.

Scientology is a cult. They are dangerous. To discourage people with mental illness from seeking help, or from taking medication is reprehensible.


40 posted on 07/13/2005 12:38:46 AM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: Cincinna

I completely agree.


41 posted on 07/13/2005 12:51:41 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

42 posted on 07/13/2005 1:23:44 AM PDT by Old Seadog ("The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- WINST)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

43 posted on 07/13/2005 1:25:28 AM PDT by Old Seadog ("The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -- WINST)
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To: Goodgirlinred
I wonder how many Hollywood types are in this cult? I wonder what it has that they want or lack?

There's probably more than just those two. From the reports we're hearing on Katie Holmes, it would appear that brainwashing techniques are used. And I really don't think Cruise is all that bright either.

44 posted on 07/13/2005 8:10:20 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I feel really sorry for Katie Holmes. She will probably end up divorcing him, too. He seems to be going off the deep end.


45 posted on 07/13/2005 9:30:14 AM PDT by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Oztrich Boy; null and void
Well, I stand corrected in regards to the official dates of the 'religion'.

I do recall learning about his book 'Dianetics' and others in junior high in the mid 70's in a Lit class about Science Fiction, and held up in comparison to good sci fi. Dianetics was also marketed in bookstores for some time as sci fi. Curious. He marketed the books as sci-fi yet used it as the basis (with various editions) for his 'religion'.

46 posted on 07/13/2005 12:17:34 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Goodgirlinred

I believe you are correct - Diana Highland. He was quite devoted to her. It was touching. I think I heard, not long after that, that he 'found' Scientology, in a period of personal grief, no doubt. Ironic, considering Scientology's beliefs about illness and treatments. He must have been 'polluted' (I think that's the word they use) by her, in their eyes. I was stunned, too. I remember my mother phoning me at college just to tell me that. She, too, was shocked - a good Italian American Catholic buying into an apparent cult. (I think she was also concerned about cults targeting vulnerable college students...)


47 posted on 07/13/2005 12:22:14 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: fortunecookie
People who stock bookstore shelves aren't alway the best and brightest.

I almost invariably find some Issac Asimov science books in the science fiction section. It seems like they can't quite wrap their heads around the concept that an author isn't necessarily a one trick pony.

As for scientology, I'm a former member of that organization, and I have a standing offer to any FReeper to answer any questions about it they may have, either in open forum, or via FReep mail.
48 posted on 07/13/2005 12:23:39 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Cruise was described as a "sect-symbol" by a Socialist deputy.

Now that is downright funny...a sect symbol...LOL

49 posted on 07/13/2005 12:27:14 PM PDT by Syncro (Recant, rescind, retract and repudiate....Got Truth?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

"Why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
What's so funny about that?
You're a jerk...jerk...you're a jerk"
50 posted on 07/13/2005 12:29:46 PM PDT by evets (You're welcome.)
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