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A Few Thoughts on Karl Rove -Provided For Those Who Are UNcErTaInn Still About Rove
NYT ^ | 7/13/05 | OP-ED

Posted on 07/12/2005 8:32:49 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Far be it for us to denounce leaks. Newspapers have relied on countless government officials to divulge vital information that their bosses want to be kept secret. There is even value in the sanctioned leak, such as when the White House, say, lets out information that it wants known but does not want to announce.

But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary. And Karl Rove seems to have been playing that unsavory game with the C.I.A. officer Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, Joseph Wilson IV, a career diplomat who ran afoul of President Bush's efforts to justify the invasion of Iraq. An e-mail note provided by Time magazine to the federal prosecutor investigating the case shows that Mr. Rove's aim in talking about Ms. Wilson to Matthew Cooper, a Time reporter, was to discredit Mr. Wilson, perhaps to punish him.

Mr. Wilson had published an Op-Ed article in The Times about being assigned to investigate allegations that Saddam Hussein had tried to buy uranium from Niger - a claim that was popular among the White House and Pentagon officials eager to make the case for war with Iraq. Mr. Wilson said the allegation was unsupported by evidence, and it was later withdrawn, to Mr. Bush's embarrassment.

Before that happened, Mr. Rove gave Mr. Cooper a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Mr. Rove said the origins of Mr. Wilson's mission were "flawed and suspect" because, according to Mr. Rove, Mr. Wilson had been sent to Niger at the suggestion of his wife, who works for the Central Intelligence Agency. To understand why Mr. Rove thought that was a black mark, remember that the White House considers dissenters enemies and that the C.I.A. had...

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1 posted on 07/12/2005 8:32:50 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Terry Moran's talking points about "peddling" are showing up in the NYT.


No surprise there. [spit]


2 posted on 07/12/2005 8:34:55 PM PDT by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain! ---- IAGO: You are--a senator.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If these dopes honestly believe that of ALL the people Rove could have demolished in the past 5 years he picked Wilson--and that Wilson had no idea that his wife would be brought into the story after he went to three media outlets in a couple days AND wrote a subsequent book--then they are not evil, they're just stupid.


3 posted on 07/12/2005 8:35:13 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

4 posted on 07/12/2005 8:35:44 PM PDT by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain! ---- IAGO: You are--a senator.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Now it's clear why the NYT let Miller go to jail...So they can print crap like this.


5 posted on 07/12/2005 8:37:12 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Petronski

Oi, I've a decent hair dye job, these days! * LOL*


6 posted on 07/12/2005 8:37:31 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Happygal

Well I'm sure as hell not referring to you. LOL


7 posted on 07/12/2005 8:38:21 PM PDT by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain! ---- IAGO: You are--a senator.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Desperate, aren't they?

You can almost smell the cold sweat...

8 posted on 07/12/2005 8:40:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

" Mr. Cooper's e-mail note does not say that Mr. Rove mentioned the name of Mr. Wilson's wife,"

Karl Rove apparently used ESP and tin foil hats to communicate the name of Valerie Plame to the media.
He's even more powerful than we thought.


9 posted on 07/12/2005 8:40:42 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Petronski

Oh well that's a relief... carry on, soldier! *LOL*


10 posted on 07/12/2005 8:41:31 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This makes no sense. If they want the truth to come out, have Judy Miller testify.


11 posted on 07/12/2005 8:42:35 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
To understand why Mr. Rove thought that was a black mark, remember that the White House considers dissenters enemies and that the C.I.A. had...

Just because some of the disenters are the enemy, doesn't mean that the White House thinks 'all' disenters are the enemy.

That being said, is it reality check time for the NYT or what? Is it the NYT's implication that the Clintion White House by contrast, didn't think disenters were the enemy? It's quite comical to watch the NYT's spin. They are VERY bad at it.

12 posted on 07/12/2005 8:43:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It doesnt matter what reporter says what!
It doesnt matter what we think here!
It doesnt matter what the Dummies think!

All that matters is the truth!

ALL that matters is special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald's report!

We can on and on all we like!

When he has finished then we will see what happens!!!

Unlike the Dummies, I am happy to say now, I hope the person who Outed her goes to Jail!

Will they say that if it is a Liberal???

There is no indication that it is Rove!

Just wait and see!


13 posted on 07/12/2005 8:45:32 PM PDT by mikenash
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To: okie01
You can almost smell the cold sweat...

No kidding - this "attack" is so lame I'm almost disappointed. It sure makes Drudge look like an idiot, though. He had the siren up all over the place hollering about how the Slimes was going to come out swinging against Rove, and they deliver this limp noodle.

Serves him right, IMO, after making such of an ass of himself pimping for Michael Jackson.

14 posted on 07/12/2005 8:47:56 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: okie01
You can almost smell the cold sweat...

No kidding - this "attack" is so lame I'm almost disappointed. It sure makes Drudge look like an idiot, though. He had the siren up all over the place hollering about how the Slimes was going to come out swinging against Rove, and they deliver this limp noodle.

Serves him right, IMO, after making such of an ass of himself pimping for Michael Jackson.

15 posted on 07/12/2005 8:49:16 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Dr.Hilarious
then they are not evil, they're just stupid.

I prefer the more politically correct (and probably more accurate)ignorant.

I'm a proud charter member of the VRWC who believes that the ignorant could be cured by just requiring that people read just one column each week by either Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell.

16 posted on 07/12/2005 8:50:21 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Ah, so finally the real sore is exposed, Karl Rove dissed the world renowned Joe Wilson.
17 posted on 07/12/2005 8:50:55 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him "father." - Will Rodgers


18 posted on 07/12/2005 8:52:08 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Doctors may delay your death, but only Jesus Christ can save your life.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

"This makes no sense. If they want the truth to come out, have Judy Miller testify."

It makes perfect sense if Judith Miller is the leak.

She's not protecting anyone, she's playing "journalist-in-jail" to cover her own guilt in this.


19 posted on 07/12/2005 8:52:20 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: REDWOOD99

Well, if I were here I would be darned if I would sit in jail because my PAPER didn't want me to reveal a source. It isn't Rove...we know that or she would have revealed his name like Cooper did. It's someone else. Someone BIG I bet and she has to take the hit by going to jail. When she comes out and the judge asks her again what happens if she refuses again? Does she go to jail again? She's a fool to take a hit for her paper.


20 posted on 07/12/2005 8:52:47 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As Rove sets up the ultimate political play -- the MSM gets sucked in again! They'll never learn :)


21 posted on 07/12/2005 8:55:28 PM PDT by Paraclete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary.

Like Deep Throat? Sheesh, how low into hypocrisy can they sink? (and, that's the opinion of someone --me--who thinks that if it were Rove, he should probably go).

22 posted on 07/12/2005 8:55:59 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Hey, NY Times, why is Judith Miller still in jail?

Before this thing is done, I'll bet NYT will need a glacier to put some ice on it.


23 posted on 07/12/2005 8:57:17 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Jayson Blair Fish Wrapper speaks out!


24 posted on 07/12/2005 8:57:33 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

If you ever injected truth into politics you have no politics. - Will Rodgers


25 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:02 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Doctors may delay your death, but only Jesus Christ can save your life.)
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To: Fenris6
It makes perfect sense if Judith Miller is the leak.

Judith Miller isn't a government employee. She couldn't have "leaked". If she knew Plame was a CIA agent, someone told her. Miller may be guilty of another crime . . . one that Bill Clinton committed.

26 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:10 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: mcenedo

I turned from lefty to righty when I realized that in all the voluminous reading I was doing, the conservative columnists were the ones who wrote stuff I thought about after I closed the magazine. So your advice is like gold.


27 posted on 07/12/2005 8:58:36 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I cant bring myself to read the rest


28 posted on 07/12/2005 8:59:52 PM PDT by woofie (I Predict:....... Dr. Neil Clark Warren will kill his wife)
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To: Petronski
Terry Moran's talking points about "peddling" are showing up in the NYT.

I would suggest to you that it is the other way around.

29 posted on 07/12/2005 9:02:35 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
While we like government officials who are willing to whisper vital information, we like even more government officials who tell the truth in public.

If that is the case, then the NY Times should like Karl Rove and hate Joe Wilson.

30 posted on 07/12/2005 9:04:23 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: Petronski

Moran is a raving Moran. His stories are over 76 percent negative for the Bush Administration. That's the highest of all networks. Can't stand the guy. Heh Moran and the party of do nothings. You want to investigate or indite someone? How about that Sandy Burgler?


31 posted on 07/12/2005 9:06:11 PM PDT by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
have Judy Miller testify

Does anybody else find it interesting that the NY Slimes would allow Miller to go to jail rather than reveal her source, even though she has said that her source has released her from anonymity and told her she can testify?

And her reason for not doing so: She says the source was coerced into releasing her.

In my opinion her source cannot be Karl Rove for a couple reasons:

1. I cannot see the administration coercing Rove into releasing Miller from her pledge of anonymity (assuming the claim of coercion is true).

2. If the source was indeed Rove, would not the NY Slimes and Miller want that news out immediately to pile on?

No, something does not smell right here with Miller's source. Why would the NY Slimes have her go to jail, rather than testify even AFTER her source told her she could?

The only thing I can think of is the source would make liberals look very bad, or the Slimes look bad (or both), or it would exonerate Rove.

Besides the fact that this is a complete non-story and Rove broke no laws, something is just not right with the Slimes forcing a reporter to go to jail when it was not necessary.

32 posted on 07/12/2005 9:07:03 PM PDT by technomage
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Plame's last "cover" was as a State Department employee and the State Department is well known as a nest of appeasing, globalist, Euro-socialist, Bush-hating Democrats. It was from this position at State that Plame got sneaky and managed to get her husband sent on an unauthorized trip to Niger so that he could fabricate a bogus "report" to try to damage Bush. Plame, likely employing seductress tactics learned during her long tenure at the CIA, used the simpleminded, love-struck Wilson as her chump. (By the way, I wonder how many secrets Plame was able to suck out of foreign agents.... But I digress.)

VALERIE PLAME, of all people, HAS BEEN GIVEN A COMPLETE PASS in all of this, and I don't know why. It is my contention that Valerie Plame is the ultimate scumbag in this whole disgraceful fiasco. It will be interesting to find out who her handlers are.

33 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Petronski
But it is something else entirely when officials peddle disinformation for propaganda purposes or to harm a political adversary.

Like the Clintons did for the NYT's for eight plus years. One of which was Linda Tripp's personnel file, information about Kathleen Wiley and anyone else who dared to tell the truth about Bill & Hillary Clinton.

The NYT's lecturing anyone on disinformation and propaganda is a joke. They have many of those "political adversaries" of Conservatives and/or Republicans working in their so-called news room.

34 posted on 07/12/2005 9:10:07 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: mikenash

Mike, I'm all out of exclamation points and question marks. Could you give a few back?


35 posted on 07/12/2005 9:13:13 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: cubreporter

She'll stay in jail as long as the judge wants to keep her there. I agree, Rove is not her source. If she does reveal her source, though, the NYT will have to stop its attacks on Rove. I think the source is Joe Wilson himself. I think the NYT is making it worth Miller's while to stay in jail and I think they no longer care about being impartial. Only libs read that rag so why not cater to them. The same is happening on the network news, CNN, MSNBC, et al. Rather than try to woo back their lost viwers/readers they've decided to shore up their base...the libs.


36 posted on 07/12/2005 9:15:00 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
If the Times knows that Rove was not the leak, yet allows him to twist in the wind like this, then they are beneath contempt. They have forfeited any reputation of journalistic integrity (if they indeed had any remaining.

The story is a simple one (to me at least), Rove was communicating to Cooper that Wilson was not, shall we say, as pure as source as the Slimes and Slime magazine would want everyone to believe. If you are going to run with a story, tell the whole story, including the integrity of the sources involved. As usual, the mainstream media missed the point.

37 posted on 07/12/2005 9:16:09 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
The part that worries me the most, and thing the DemocRATS having been hammering home over and over these past few days is this part of the law, which I have to admit never states that the agent has to be named, only identified. According to that weasel Cooper, Rove identified Plame as "Joe Wilson's wife". This prosecutor, who appears to me to be on a political witch hunt, may find that as damning enough. The law reads: "Whoever, as a result of having authorized access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information identifying such covert agent to any individual not authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." The way this law reads to me, it doesn't matter at all whether Roved cited Plame specifically by name.
38 posted on 07/12/2005 9:16:35 PM PDT by rubeng
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To: REDWOOD99

MMMM, well I wonder how long she'll bite the bullet? Does she have a family? I sure wouldn't separate myself from my husband and kids. NO way, no how.


39 posted on 07/12/2005 9:17:23 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: CFC__VRWC

Well, they have come out swinging......like crazy. Major networks, newspapers, etc....have all declared Rove the "leak".


40 posted on 07/12/2005 9:21:05 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: rubeng
I understand that:

1. She had been 'outed' by Aldrich Ames years ago.
2. She had not been a covert agent for close to a decade.

41 posted on 07/12/2005 9:21:52 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: rubeng
The way this law reads to me, it doesn't matter at all whether Roved cited Plame specifically by name.

But that whole question is moot, and the law does not apply because Plame was definitely not a covert agent, and had not been since 1994.

42 posted on 07/12/2005 9:26:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: cubreporter

If she had kids, she'd be a conservative!


43 posted on 07/12/2005 9:27:29 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: technomage

Somehow......the NYT is involved. Would be as big, or bigger story that Rathergate.

Miller would be "squealing like a stuck pig" (added that for Danny Boy) if it were Rove.

I just hope they don't get away with this crap. I can't stand what the MSM and the Screaming Dimmies are trying to do to this country.


44 posted on 07/12/2005 9:27:45 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Lancey Howard

" VALERIE PLAME, of all people, HAS BEEN GIVEN A COMPLETE PASS in all of this, and I don't know why. It is my contention that Valerie Plame is the ultimate scumbag in this whole disgraceful fiasco. It will be interesting to find out who her handlers are."

Who in the CIA signed off on Plame's recommendation that her husband, who possessed zero investigative and intelligence bona fides, be given this assignment ?
Maybe after Gregory and Moran have taken Midol and have been given a rasher of Hersheys chocolate, they can be convinced to investigate this.


45 posted on 07/12/2005 9:30:26 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: REDWOOD99

My first thought also. No way I'd go to jail like she has..........must have been a big pile of money thrown her way.


46 posted on 07/12/2005 9:30:46 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: REDWOOD99

:) :) :)


47 posted on 07/12/2005 9:34:45 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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To: Shortstop7

Either that or the source is the one who leaked her the information on the bust in New York and she risks going to jail for a serious offense for a long, long time.


48 posted on 07/12/2005 9:35:32 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: fhayek
If you are going to run with a story, tell the whole story, including the integrity of the sources involved. As usual, the mainstream media missed the point.

Wednesday's opinionjournal.com editorial has a more reality based analysis of the kerfluffle. I'm starting to feel like this thing is going to stick to the rat's shoes for months to come.

49 posted on 07/12/2005 9:38:09 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Fenris6

Either that or she's hiding an embarrassing source that will unequivocaly 'out' them as anti-American.


50 posted on 07/12/2005 9:39:01 PM PDT by rvoitier (25% of traffic fatalities involve a drunk driver... We gotta get them sober people off the road.)
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