Skip to comments.PARTISAN ATTACKS ON KARL ROVE RESEARCH AND TALKING POINTS
Posted on 07/12/2005 10:05:04 PM PDT by anymouse
- The Democrats Are Engaging In Blatant Partisan Political Attacks.
- Karl Rove Discouraged A Reporter From Writing A False Story Based On A False Premise.
- The False Premise Was Joe Wilsons Allegation That The Vice President Sent Him To Niger And That His Report Was Shown To The Vice President.
- The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Confirmed That Rove Was Right And Wilson Was Wrong: The Vice President Didnt Send Wilson Anywhere.
- Both The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence And The CIA Found Claims Wilson Has Made To Be Inaccurate.
- Karl Rove Has Fully Cooperated With This Investigation For More Than A Year And Has Permitted Any Reporter He Spoke With About Joe Wilson To Discuss Their Conversations.
- Government Investigators Have Specifically Asked Every Witness In This Case, Including Karl Rove, Not To Discuss The Subject Matter Of The Investigation.
- Time Magazine Reporter Matt Cooper Called Karl Rove, Rove Didnt Call Cooper.
- Cooper Told Rove He Called To Discuss Welfare Reform And Brought Up Wilson In Their Conversation.
- Rove Said He Was Willing To Discuss The Wilson Situation Only If Cooper Promised Not To Use, In An Effort To Kill An Inaccurate Story.
Coopers Own Email Claims Rove Warned Of Potential Inaccuracies In Wilson Information:
[Time Reporter Matt] Cooper Wrote That Rove Offered Him A Big Warning Not To Get Too Far Out On Wilson. Rove Told Cooper That Wilsons Trip Had Not Been Authorized By DCIA - CIA Director George Tenet - Or Vice President Dick Cheney. (Michael Isikoff, "Matt Coopers Source," Newsweek, 7/18/05)
Karl Roves Lawyer, Robert Luskin: A Fair-Minded Reading Of Coopers E-Mail Is That Rove Was Trying To Discourage Time Magazine From Circulating False Allegations About Cheney, Not Trying To Encourage Them By Saying Anything About Wilson Or His Wife. (Pete Yost, White House In A Bind Over Rove E-Mail, The Associated Press, 7/12/05)
· Luskin: The Fair Inference ... Is That Rove Was Trying To Warn Time ... Away From Perpetuating Things That Turned Out To Be False, And Not Try To Encourage Him To Say Anything About Wilsons Wife. (Richard Simon and Richard B. Schmitt, Democrats Take Aim At Rove In Leak Case, Los Angeles Times, 7/12/05)
Rove Didnt Know Wilsons Wife Name; Rove Didnt Say Her Name:
Newsweek Reporter Michael Isikoff Said Cooper E-Mail Does Not Indicate Rove Knew Plame Was Covert Operative. [A]s many people have pointed out, and we pointed out, Karl Rove doesnt identify Valerie Plame by name, so thats an important distinction. And theres nothing in the e-mail that indicates whether or not Rove knew that she was a covert operative. In fact, theres nothing in the e-mail that indicates he does. (CNNs, Inside Politics, 7/11/05)
Luskin Said Yesterday That Rove Did Not Know Plame's Name And Was Not Actively Trying To Push The Information Into The Public Realm. (Josh White, Rove Told Reporter Of Plame's Role But Didn't Name Her, Attorney Says, The Washington Post, 7/11/05)
Joe Wilson Falsely Claimed That It Was Vice President Cheney Who Sent Him To Niger, But The Vice President Has Said He Never Met Him And Didnt Know Who Sent Him:
Wilson Says He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice Presidents Office. In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheneys office had questions about a particular intelligence report. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice presidents office. (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, What I Didnt Find In Africa, The New York Times, 7/6/03)
Joe Wilson: What They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libbys Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ... (CNNs Late Edition, 8/3/03)
Vice President Cheney: I Dont Know Joe Wilson. Ive Never Met Joe Wilson. And Joe Wilson - I Dont [Know] Who Sent Joe Wilson. He Never Submitted A Report That I Ever Saw When He Came Back. (NBCs Meet The Press, 9/14/03)
CIA Director George Tenet: In An Effort To Inquire About Certain Reports Involving Niger, CIAs Counter-Proliferation Experts, On Their Own Initiative, Asked An Individual With Ties To The Region To Make A Visit To See What He Could Learn. (Central Intelligence Agency, Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence, Press Release, 7/11/03)
Tenet: Because This Report, In Our View, Did Not Resolve Whether Iraq Was Or Was Not Seeking Uranium From Abroad, It Was Given A Normal And Wide Distribution, But We Did Not Brief It To The President, Vice-President Or Other Senior Administration Officials. (Central Intelligence Agency, Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence, Press Release, 7/11/03)
Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger, But Documentation Showed She Proposed His Name:
Wilson Claims His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA To Discuss Report. CNNS WOLF BLITZER: Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger? JOE WILSON: No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq. (CNNs Lade Edition, 7/18/04)
But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilsons Wife Proposed Him For Trip. Some [CIA Counterproliferation Division, or CPD,] officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassadors wife offered up his name and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassadors wife says, my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity. (Select Committee On Intelligence, Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq, U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)
Wilsons Report On Niger Had Thin Evidence And Did Not Change Conclusions Of Analysts And Other Reports:
Officials Said Evidence Was Thin And His Homework Was Shoddy. (Michael Duffy, Leaking With A Vengeance, Time, 10/13/03)
Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassadors Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal. (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Assessments On Iraq, 7/7/04)
For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (IN) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium. (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Assessments On Iraq, 7/7/04)
CIA Said Wilsons Findings Did Not Resolve The Issue. Because [Wilsons] report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the president, vice president or other senior administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said. (Central Intelligence Agency, Statement By George J. Tenet, Director Of Central Intelligence, Press Release 7/11/03)
The Butler Report Claimed That The Presidents State Of the Union Statement On Uranium From Africa, Was Well-Founded. We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Governments dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bushs State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that: The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. was well-founded. (The Rt. Hon. The Lord Butler Of Brockwell, Review Of Intelligence, On Weapons Of Mass Destruction, 7/14/04)
Sens. Roberts, Bond And Hatch All Dismissed Wilsons Claims:
Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS), Kit Bond (R-MO) And Orrin Hatch (R-UT) All Stated, On At Least Two Occasions [Wilson] Admitted That He Had No Direct Knowledge To Support Some Of His Claims And That He Was Drawing On Either Unrelated Past Experiences Or No Information At All. (Select Committee On Intelligence, Additional Views Of Chairman Pat Roberts, Joined By Senator Christopher S. Bond And Senator Orrin G. Hatch; Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq, U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)
The Former Ambassador, Either By Design Or Through Ignorance, Gave The American People And, For That Matter, The World A Version Of Events That Was Inaccurate, Unsubstantiated, And Misleading. (Select Committee On Intelligence, Additional Views Of Chairman Pat Roberts, Joined By Senator Christopher S. Bond And Senator Orrin G. Hatch; Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq, U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)
[J]oe Wilson Told Anyone Who Would Listen That The President Had Lied To The American People, That The Vice President Had Lied And That He Had Debunked The Claim That Iraq Was Seeking Uranium From Africa Not Only Did He NOT Debunk The Claim, He Actually Gave Some Intelligence Analysts Even More Reason To Believe That It May Be True. (Select Committee On Intelligence, Additional Views Of Chairman Pat Roberts, Joined By Senator Christopher S. Bond And Senator Orrin G. Hatch; Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq, U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)
Rove Has Cooperated Fully With Special Investigator:
[Luskin] Said Rove Had Fully Cooperated With Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald And The Grand Jury Probe. (Richard Simon and Richard B. Schmitt, Democrats Take Aim At Rove In Leak Case, Los Angeles Times, 7/12/05)
Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald Has Said Rove Was Not The Focus Of Investigation:
[Luskin] Said He Has Received Repeated Assurances From Fitzgeralds Office That Rove Is Not A Target In The Case. (Bill Saporito, When to Give Up a Source, Time, 7/11/05)
Cooper Called Rove; Rove Didnt Call Cooper:
Roves Lawyer, Robert Luskin, Said [Time Reporter Matt] Cooper Called Rove During The Week Before Novaks Story Appeared (Bill Saporito, When To Give Up A Source, Time, 7/11/05)
Cooper Told Rove He Was Calling To Talk About Welfare Reform:
[Luskin] Said Wilsons Wife Came Up As An Afterthought In A Conversation That Cooper Had Initiated, Primarily For A Story About Welfare Reform. (Richard Simon and Richard B. Schmitt, Democrats Take Aim At Rove In Leak Case, Los Angeles Times, 7/12/05)
During Cooper/Rove Conversation, Cooper Raised The Question Of Wilsons Trip:
Cooper Had Called Rove To Discuss Other Matters On A Friday Before Deadline, And The Topic Of Wilson Came Up Briefly. Luskin Said Cooper Raised The Question. (Josh White, Rove Told Reporter Of Plame's Role But Didn't Name Her, Attorney Says, The Washington Post, 7/11/05)
Rove Believed He Was Only Discussing Wilson On Background:
Cooper Proceeded To Spell Out Some Guidance On A Story That Was Beginning To Roil Washington. He Finished, Please Don't Source This To Rove Or Even WH [White House] And Suggested Another Reporter Check With The CIA. (Michael Isikoff, "Matt Cooper's Source," Newsweek, 7/18/05)
What's With All The Capitalized Words?
That's the way it was sent to me. Sorry, I should have retyped it in lower-case.
They got nothin', reminicent of the dems going after Rove for his comments the other day about the "Liberals" also very similar to their attacks on Delay.
Excellent summary - goes well with the WSJ editorial.
The libs are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts.
I wasn't blaming you, I just find it really weird.
The RNC always sends its stuff out this way. It's a mystery to me, too.
Wasting your time dealing in fact.....
"What's With All The Capitalized Words?"
Voice modulation disorder.
Though this is hard to read with the headline formatting and all the caps, it's a very good summation of facts and events. I noticed that many of the articles referenced have dates back in '03 or '04 so they were contemporaneous as the non-story unfolded.
He had all the info the press could ever want right on his own website long before the Rove e-mail. He had his wife's name as well as her CIA position.
This story is going to die. We don't need talking points. Wilsongate is over. Wilson told the world himself. Give it a few days, and the rest of the media will catch up.
Calm down. Rove isn't stupid. Let the democrats hang themselves.
Another tidbit is that the Senate Select Committee has a memo from Valerie Pflame recommending her husband for the trip to Niger. Wilson denied his wife's involvement.
Are you Scott Jennings?
If you are, you use entirely TOO many capital letters.
Why do people do that? It's very distracting.
Try looking into Wilson's statement that he met with Chris Lehane and started working for the Kerry campaign in May of that year. Then follow the development of the phoney scandal and it will all become obvious that it was nothing more than a partisan campaign dirty trick by the ultimate dirty trickster.
I tried copying it to Word and changing the case to Sentence Case ... and it made most of it small letters, including most of the names ... ??? I guess that's because it was looking for periods to indicate new sentences and they are sparse. Someone should trade in some caps for punctuation marks.
It would be quite tedious to go through and re-format it by hand. anymouse, I certainly understand why you didn't do that.
At least it's a little more reader-friendly than the all-caps bulletins that the meteorologists distribute. You'd think someone at the NWS would catch on that we don't use teletype any more! Can't they afford word processors?!
Fitzgerald has said that Rove is not the target of the Grand Jury.
Somewhere along the way, the focus of this GJ changed. I just can't figure out what or why.
Oooo. A mystery. Right now I'm searching everything I can find on Miller. She's got something they really really want out of her.
You have mail
You noticed this also...lol.
You've got Rove confused with the entire US Government.
The investigation of the CIA leak is going to die a rapid and ignoble death. The press is milking it for headlines so that it can influence the opinions of the ignorant people who only read headlines. Once they've convinced enough people that Rove was the responsible party, and that he is guilty of treaty - the truth will come out that he wasn't. They print a brief story about that, and then bury it within hours.
They want to leave a lasting impression that the Bush Administration and the Republican Party are morally and ethically corrupt. If the facts don't support that conclusion in the end, the media doesn't care. What the media people believe is that they are the tail that wags the dog. That the truth is determined not by empirical facts, but by how long something stayed a headline.
Here is a link to the time line of the Plame Leak. It is rather long but make interesting reading;
Your caps didn't bother me. I rather enjoyed the easy reading of it.
"Can't they afford word processors?!"
Yeah, but they use them for TANG memos..
we must look like complete baffoons in the eyes of the mossad, kgb, etc.
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.
Are you Hansen? If not I think he would be more than a little upset with your spamming of this forum.
You need to check your facts on who that memo was from...
When did he say that?
He's said it at least 3 times in the last 18 months.
Yes, there's something going on here, something more than we or the press know. But Fitzgerald isn't talking.
Yes. And this business of leaving general impression with the ill-informed used to work much better than it does now. Some of the people who used to read headlines (as I sometimes do, I must admit) or rely on network news now get the rest of the story on talk radio.
Unless you like country (which I do), you are just about out of luck in some markets. There is rap and more rap and some ancient pop, and perhaps some whiny or weird alternative stuff. I think that many people are not that interested in the FM offerings now, and flee to AM radio (among other things like IPods and sat radio). Also, people sometimes want the mental stimulation that talk radio offers. The result is that many people are getting our side of the story now.
A UPS deliverymen with Rush blaring from the truck as he makes his deliveries, or an African-American USPS mailman listening to Rush every time you see him. These are heartening signs that the truth is getting out to people who might not have heard the Republican side of the debates 20 years ago.
I stopped listening to pop radio stations years ago. Though country is not my thing, talk radio is a daily must.
From what has came to light it likely was Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame herself that linked herself to a covert status.
Filing out a 2000 Presidential campaign donation report form with your cover name and your CIA front company name is a good way to out yourself as a covert agent, since Federal campaign donation reporting information is not only public record, but readily available on the Internet.
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