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Rove Case May Test Bush's Loyalty to His Closest Aides -Attacking Hard...
NYT ^ | 7/13/05 | DAVID E. SANGER

Posted on 07/13/2005 6:08:10 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Loyalty has long been the most hallowed virtue in the Bush White House, but rarely has it been tested the way it has this week.

No one has been closer to the president longer, or bailed him out of more tight spots, than Karl Rove, his chief political adviser. Now the question is whether President Bush can protect Mr. Rove from a gathering political storm, no matter how furious it becomes.

Current and former White House officials who know both men say they have no doubt that as long as Mr. Rove faces no serious legal charges - and so far he has yet to be charged with anything, and may never be - Mr. Bush will defend him. They point to the words Mr. Bush used to silence conservative critics of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales last week, warning them curtly, "I'm loyal to my friends."

Mr. Bush, who once said he would fire anyone on his staff who had knowingly leaked the name of a C.I.A. operative, Valerie Wilson, also known by her maiden name, Valerie Plame, ignored a question about Mr. Rove posed to him on Tuesday by a reporter on the edges of an Oval Office meeting with the prime minister of Singapore.

But hours later, Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, who on Monday declined to answer any questions about the matter, broke briefly out of no-comment mode to come to Mr. Rove's defense. He noted that reporters had asked whether the president still had "confidence in particular individuals, specifically Karl Rove." He answered his own question, saying, "Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn't be working here at the White House if they didn't."

Mr. Bush's loyalty has limits....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 07/13/2005 6:08:11 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Major League A-Holes

Cheney was 100% right.


3 posted on 07/13/2005 6:11:29 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I heard Kondracke say yesterday that Rove won't be fired unless he's indicted and convicted.

I don't think that is right. If he's indicted, he's gone.

Of course, unless he lied to the grand jury, I don't see any reason why he should be indicted. He's done nothing wrong. Talking to a reporter about politics is not illegal. He did not disclose that Plame was a covert agent. In fact, he did not even know she was a covert agent.


4 posted on 07/13/2005 6:11:55 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The NYT is looking (again) like a bunch of idiots. Today's WSJ article points to reasons why: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1441836/posts

It would be great if the NYT had some facts before they report.


5 posted on 07/13/2005 6:12:36 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The New York Times refuses to reveal the source for its reporter's story. You can bet if it came from Rove and had something incriminating, they would have rushed to make it public. Here the MSM is rushing to judgment even before all the facts in the case surrounding Rove are in.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 07/13/2005 6:12:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Brilliant

The media has spun this to the point where it is no longer believable. People have heard that Rove "outed" the agent from the media and the media has led people to that conclusion. But the media knows he did not. Now they can't unfry the egg.

I wish the Republicans would start asking point-blank questions to the Democrats about this.


7 posted on 07/13/2005 6:14:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No crime here as I see it.

What's the big deal?

8 posted on 07/13/2005 6:15:00 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

 


9 posted on 07/13/2005 6:15:02 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

President Bush may as well stick with Rove. If he lets Rove go the Leftists will just find someone else to attack.


10 posted on 07/13/2005 6:15:52 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: AppyPappy

I think Bush has the right strategy. Keep silent. Assuming that the grand jury does not indict, it will go away.


11 posted on 07/13/2005 6:16:13 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: finnman69
Major League A-Holes

You mean "Clymers", right?

12 posted on 07/13/2005 6:16:20 AM PDT by TheGrimReaper (It's time to bring back public flogging.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

How does one LEAK something that was already public knowledge?? I still can't figure this "scandal" out.


13 posted on 07/13/2005 6:16:49 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"On the "no underlying crime" point, moreover, no less than the New York Times and Washington Post now agree. So do the 36 major news organizations that filed a legal brief in March aimed at keeping Mr. Cooper and the New York Times's Judith Miller out of jail." source: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955

I think Cooper is testifying this morning. I am looking forward to Mr. Fitzgerald's final report.


14 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:00 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The NYT and the rat MSM have no idea what the word *loyalty* means....


15 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:21 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The real Supreme Court meets up here...God)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Yep. They haven't even found the smoking gun which just makes them madder at Rove and Bush. All we're seeing is the hate and rage of the Left spewed forth. Its fun to watch them run circles around what is essentially a non-story. Liberals just can't resist slamming the door in their own faces.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
16 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

And why is the New York Times covering Judith Miller's large posterior? Her source was not Rove, and the bets are that the guilty party to out Plame is everyone from herself to Sen. Rockefeller. There are some interesting aspects here. First, Miller was perhaps the most rabid of the journalists who were pumping Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. Second, she has demonstrated a questionable respect for the Islamist leadership. Finally, she has run head-on into the Justice Department who know that she screwed up an investigation of the indicted Holy Land Foundation of Texas.


17 posted on 07/13/2005 6:18:55 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Hell, I say he makes Rove his first SCOTUS nominee!!! If the libs want to act like a bunch of a-holes, let's give them a reason!!!


18 posted on 07/13/2005 6:19:36 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: sgtbono2002

Bingo.


19 posted on 07/13/2005 6:19:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: Brilliant

I diagree. Silence means approval. Bush's silence implies Rove's guilt. It says that Bush is afraid the rumors are true.

Bush should come out and defend Rove.


20 posted on 07/13/2005 6:20:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: mystery-ak
They'd sell out Judith Miller in a New York minute if they were convinced it would bring down the Bush Administration...

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
21 posted on 07/13/2005 6:20:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Mr. Bush, who once said he would fire anyone on his staff who had knowingly leaked the name of a C.I.A. operative"

The President never said he'd "fire" anybody. He said the administration would take "appropriate action".

22 posted on 07/13/2005 6:20:38 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Beyond belief. Google News lists more than 1,700 articles on the Rove issue today. The Atlanta paper has not only a front-page story but also a lead editorial, a bunch of long Letters to the Editor, and another bunch of anonymous reader-comments in its Vent section. All, of course, are vicious in their attacks on Rove (and Bush). Liberal bias in the MSM? Who would have thunk it?
23 posted on 07/13/2005 6:22:26 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The NY Slimes farts and liberals sniff it.

Dirty little fart sniffers. :P
24 posted on 07/13/2005 6:22:29 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline snapped the last time the MSM blew smoke up my ass. Now its gone forever.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I "cherry picked" a few "articles" to demonstrate the media frustration in it's inability to sell lies. Rove being the topic is simply a victim of circumstance.


25 posted on 07/13/2005 6:23:03 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (http://hour9.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brilliant
In fact, he did not even know she was a covert agent.

Maybe I missed something, but I've not seen anything that proves she was a "covert" agent at all. References I've seen indicate that she was an analyst/researcher for the CIA working on WMD, not an foriegn agent working under cover for the CIA.

26 posted on 07/13/2005 6:23:47 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: AppyPappy

The grand jury is going to decide whether to indict, though, not the media, or Bush. A public defense by Bush does nothing but keep the story alive.


27 posted on 07/13/2005 6:24:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: AppyPappy
Rumors? Since when does the President need to address rumors? All of Rove's critics have not cited a single instance of unethical or criminal conduct on his part. They want him fired for telling the truth about their fake hero, Joe Wilson. Last time I heard, telling the truth should win one plaudits and recognition for being a good public servant. Its being disregarded by the Democrats and the MSM in Rove's case so its all dirty politics. If I were the President, I wouldn't deem politically motivated attacks on one of my loyal aides to be worthy of a comment from me. The President knows that to respond to a non-event is to keep the media frenzy alive. It will eventually die of its own accord.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
28 posted on 07/13/2005 6:25:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

They'd sell out their own mother if that meant the downfall of the Bush Admin.


29 posted on 07/13/2005 6:26:01 AM PDT by mystery-ak (The real Supreme Court meets up here...God)
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To: Motherbear

Damn....I cannot remember what show or what pundits.

Yesterday:
The dem argument was taken apart point by point by the GOP pundit. He totally deestroyed the case made by the dem.

Dem had no response--went into "Well that is not the ONLY issue." There are also issues of perjury and obstruction of justice.

If GOP does not get out front on this, frame the argument towards the truth, the dems will prevail.

I was amazed last night on BOR. Gingrich had to educate him. Why the hell discuss it unless you know the issues. Bill looked like a dumbass.

Last thought...Watergate and Watergate figures are mentioned more and more and more. Gives anyone who cares to look a game plan.


30 posted on 07/13/2005 6:26:12 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This case will be a classic "Rope a dope" with Karl Rove coming out on top. My bet is someone will get indicted and it won't be Rove.


31 posted on 07/13/2005 6:26:27 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: Thermalseeker

You won't see the proof that she was a covert agent because the government does not make that public. But the fact that CIA Director Tenet asked for an investigation, and the fact that we have gotten this far in that investigation implies that she was at least at one time a covert agent. It would be very easy for Tenet to determine that, and he certainly would not have asked for the investigation if she had not been.


32 posted on 07/13/2005 6:27:22 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: goldstategop

According to people I talk to, Rove is guilty. That's what the media is telling people. It must be true or Bush would be denying it.

In your world, Rove isn't under attack by the media. My newspaper tells me different. The local editorial board has already asked for Rove's resignation as has Senators Clinton and Kerry. That doesn't sound like a "rumor" to me.


33 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: KenmcG414

Just another sewer backup for the NYT and the dopey libs.


34 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:47 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: Yardstick

Also, the keyword MSM leaves out is "classified" informatiom. One words makes a big damned difference.


35 posted on 07/13/2005 6:29:05 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: goldstategop

Just a rumor huh?

CAPITOL HILL Former presidential candidate John Kerry says "Karl Rove ought to be fired." Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton -- a possible 2008 presidential contender -- nodded in agreement. The two appeared together on Capitol Hill.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid says the matter of leaking a C-I-A agent's identity "rises above politics and is about our national security."


36 posted on 07/13/2005 6:29:22 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

No way should the President speak out and give the media attack any credibility -- let the media keep going out on a limb as that limb will soon be sawed off and the NY Times and others exposed once again.

Very similar to Freepers on here that read the headlines and get all bent out of shape before they find out the article and the headline doesn't match but they keep right on anyways with their original premise.


37 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:12 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

When Reno said she had nothing to say about an ongoing investigation, how often did this crap occur?


38 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:28 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (http://hour9.blogspot.com/)
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To: AppyPappy

Why care about what the RATs and the media are saying? Kerry, Clinton, and Reid have the credibility of a gnat.

You obviously have not read the WSJ editorial or some others -- certainly know which side of the fence you fall on when you use Kerry, Clinton, and Reid as reasons why the President should speak out!

More some of you post, the most obvious the agenda becomes! :)


39 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:39 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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No way should the President speak out and give the media attack any credibility -- let the media keep going out on a limb as that limb will soon be sawed off and the NY Times and others exposed once again.

Oh yeah. I bet the media will spank itself publically over this. They always do when they are caught doing this. /sarcasm

Trust me. A year from now, half the American people will believe that Rove outed the agent. The media and the Democrats are publically openly smearing Rove's name and Bush is silent about it. That's not good.

40 posted on 07/13/2005 6:38:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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The media moved on and the Republicans didn't attack. Ongoing investigation means there is nothing there until it is over but some on here cannot seem to grasp that! :)


41 posted on 07/13/2005 6:40:33 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom

Three major senators have asked for Rove's head and Bush remains silent. That's a bit more than a rumor.

The RINO's will turn on Rove next. It won't be long until the Bushbots claim that Rove is a liability. Bush needs to step up.


42 posted on 07/13/2005 6:42:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Remember: Downing Street Memo = Impeachment Proceedings. This is just another thing to keep the loyal opposition money machine excited.


43 posted on 07/13/2005 6:46:36 AM PDT by BallyBill (..the only quagmire I see is the one the Media is stuck in..)
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To: AppyPappy

He has to wait until the Grand Jury is over -- then Novak writes his tell all and the media goes into hiding. I know around me when Ms. Clinton starts yelling, the people know why is lying.

The President cannot give these reports by the NY Times and others credibility. I would bet there is a plan how to handle this because Rove never goes without one and some members of the media are going to wish they had never tangled with him and this President when all the facts come out.

When the special prosecutor asked Rove to stay silent, I think this investigation goes farther than outing Wilson's wife. They may be after those leaks at the CIA which they could have uncovered through this investigation. When a Grand Jury is seated in a case like this, you cannot be sure where it is going. I think NY Times found out their reporter or someone else they protect is a target of the investigation and now are going full throttle to put the pressure on Rove knowing full well he was asked not to speak.

RATs have gone out on a limb calling for his resignation -- I can still remember Ms. Clinton waving that NY rag around on the floor of the Senate that asked of Pres Bush -- "What did he know and when did he know it" -- made her look like the idiot she was when the facts came out and gave my Senator and others a chance to go on the floor and blast her.

Stay tuned for the next chapter. Being in flyover country with a conservative newspaper that takes the position of the WSJ not the NY Times gives a total different perspective -- out here Ms. Clinton speaks out and they most likely will take the opposite view. :)


44 posted on 07/13/2005 6:47:43 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Gotta like that final quote in the article:

A former official who has worked for Mr. Bush said: "This president is Mr. Alamo. He sees the hordes coming over the hill and he heads for the barricades. And not to raise a white flag."

And that's probably the most difficult aspect of the
Bush personality for the Democrats to overcome.


45 posted on 07/13/2005 6:54:58 AM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: Yardstick

Exactly.


46 posted on 07/13/2005 6:56:01 AM PDT by jveritas (The left cannot win a national election ever again and never will the Buchananites and 3rd parties)
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To: Brilliant

You're wrong. Only if he's convicted should he be fired. The indictment would look bad, but it isn't anywhere near sufficient as proof of guilt.

Firing him because it would look bad would hand the mainstream media a victory. Especially since this scandal is manufactured.


47 posted on 07/13/2005 6:57:12 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: KenmcG414
My bet is someone will get indicted and it won't be Rove.
48 posted on 07/13/2005 6:58:10 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: HamiltonJay
How does one LEAK something that was already public knowledge?? I still can't figure this "scandal" out.

The media is screaming SCANDAL! SCANDAL! and hoping that someone reading the news will remember the big headlines, and not pay attention when it turns out to be a mistake.

49 posted on 07/13/2005 6:58:53 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: KenmcG414
My bet is someone will get indicted and it won't be Rove.

My bet is no one gets indicted unless it's for perjury.

50 posted on 07/13/2005 7:00:38 AM PDT by Dave S
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