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Root of the Rove controversy is the war in Iraq
MSNBC ^ | 7/13/05 | David Gregory

Posted on 07/13/2005 11:40:25 AM PDT by Crackingham

President Bush said Wednesday that he will reserve judgment on Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the leaking of a CIA agent's identity until the special prosecutor’s criminal investigation into the matter is complete.

"This is a serious investigation," Bush said at the end of a meeting with his Cabinet, with Rove, his deputy chief of staff, sitting just behind him. "I will be more than happy to comment on this matter once this investigation is completed,” Bush said.

While the White House seemingly stands by its man, NBC News chief White House correspondent David Gregory discusses the investigation, how the administration is expected to proceed, and how the root of the scandal is once again the controversial justifications for the war in Iraq.

Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, came to Rove’s defense during a press briefing Tuesday by saying, “Any individual who works here at the White House has the confidence of the president. They wouldn’t be working here at the White House if they didn’t.” What is the likelihood that Bush would ever actually fire Rove, a close confidant and the architect of his re-election campaign? I think, were Karl Rove to be indicted for any crime, it would be impossible for the president to keep him on. Short of that, I don’t think that he will go anywhere. I think the president will stand behind him.

If you look, the president’s past comments were pretty clear: that anyone who is responsible for leaking classified information, which is a crime, would be fired. Until and unless that’s proven in this case, I don’t think that Karl Rove will go anywhere.

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1 posted on 07/13/2005 11:40:28 AM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Gregory is trying to sound like he wasn't belligerant last night with McClellan! Idiot.


2 posted on 07/13/2005 11:42:18 AM PDT by jw777
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To: Crackingham

Here I thought the root of the scandal was when the White House exposed a NOC just to play hard ball with her husband.

Disgusting. Treason.


3 posted on 07/13/2005 11:45:14 AM PDT by cracker
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To: Crackingham
Gregory just showed everyone how much of a jerk he actually is. Trying to emulate Helen Thomas or something....
4 posted on 07/13/2005 11:45:52 AM PDT by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: Crackingham

"President Bush said Wednesday that he will reserve judgment on Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the leaking of a CIA agent's identity until the special prosecutor’s criminal investigation into the matter is complete."

"This is a serious investigation," Bush said at the end of a meeting with his Cabinet, with Rove, his deputy chief of staff, sitting just behind him.
"I will be more than happy to comment on this matter once this investigation is completed,” Bush said.

Amazingly, President Bush's comments do not jibe with Gregory's characterization.( sarcasm off )


5 posted on 07/13/2005 11:48:27 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Crackingham
Who is telling the truth?

Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Wilson lied about who recommended him for the mission. He stated several times to the press that it was the VP when in fact it was his wife.

          All Karl Rove did was set the record straight and expose Mr. Wilson for the liar that he is.  On the "no underlying crime" point, moreover, no less than the New York Times and Washington Post now agree. So do the 36 major news organizations that filed a legal brief in March aimed at keeping Mr. Cooper and the New York Times's Judith Miller out of jail. ...

          Why is it that Miller refuses to testify to who her “unnamed” source is. In fact someone reported that whoever the source is, he or she has consented to the disclosure? On the other hand,  perhaps there is no such person? It wouldn't be the first time that a reporter with a liberal agenda made up a story. Have we forgotten Dan Rather already?

          This notion that the press can only be “free” if they can quote anonymous sources is a sham and cover for operatives who propagandize with the purpose of influencing public opinion.  What they really want is the freedom to lie.

6 posted on 07/13/2005 11:51:58 AM PDT by street_lawyer
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To: Crackingham

Gregory is showing how the liberal media is frantic to pin something on the Bush Administration. Nowhere has it been proven where Rove did anything wrong. These reporters need to get a life, and start reporting some real news, before Fox News buries them all.


7 posted on 07/13/2005 11:53:10 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Crackingham

Is this a "news" story or an editorial? Heck, is there even a difference between the two anymore?


8 posted on 07/13/2005 11:57:54 AM PDT by jpl
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To: jw777

Yeah...do these people not think we watch their press-conferences. Gregory is one of the most annoying partisan pukes around. Even today, these pests were still buzzing.


9 posted on 07/13/2005 12:03:07 PM PDT by cwb
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To: street_lawyer

Since Matt Cooper is married to Mandy Gruenwald -- minion of the Queen of the FBI files, Hillary Clinton, one wonders what kind of relationship Judith Miller has with Hillary? Could the oridinal SOURCE be none other than Hillary Clinton? Perhaps that is why people are willing to go to jail to protect the source. They wouldn't be the first folks to be jailed for the Clintons..


10 posted on 07/13/2005 12:05:34 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: street_lawyer

Not only that, Miller didn't even publish a story -- so why do they want her "source"?


11 posted on 07/13/2005 12:07:31 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Crackingham
"This is a serious investigation," Bush said at the end of a meeting with his Cabinet, with Rove, his deputy chief of staff, sitting just behind him.
"I will be more than happy to comment on this matter once this investigation is completed,” Bush said.

I'm sure he's VERY eager to find out what the Feds have to say. I can't wait. This is going to be HUGE! The DUmmies will All commit mass suicide over this one! Watergate will be considered boring.

12 posted on 07/13/2005 12:12:08 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: cracker
Here I thought the root of the scandal was when the White House exposed a NOC just to play hard ball with her husband. for using her husband to play politics with a national security issue, with which she did not agree....
13 posted on 07/13/2005 12:12:12 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Not only that, Miller didn't even publish a story -- so why do they want her "source"?"

I didn't know that. But now that you mention it, I couldn't find anything in the Times by Miller re this story going back to 2002?

Very interesting!
14 posted on 07/13/2005 12:36:58 PM PDT by street_lawyer
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To: street_lawyer

Yes. Something else is going on here. I've worked as a journalist and have been asked to reveal my sources. However, to be asked to reveal a source when I hadn't even published a story would be quite an invasion of privacy.

Newspaper reporters have stories and background information leaked to them all the time. If it is too controversial, not pertinent, or has no supporting sources -- you just don't use it! I can assure you that any reporter worth her salt has a thousand stories and supporting details stored in her head and in her notes. But if you haven't printed it, where's the crime?


15 posted on 07/13/2005 12:41:51 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: street_lawyer

You have mail


16 posted on 07/13/2005 12:43:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Perhaps that is why people are willing to go to jail to protect the source. They wouldn't be the first folks to be jailed for the Clintons..

the alternative is none too pretty, when dealing with the Clanton Gang, the options are limited. Ask Vince Foster.

17 posted on 07/13/2005 12:44:59 PM PDT by digger48
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Not only that, Miller didn't even publish a story -- so why do they want her "source"?

Bingo! My theory is that Miller set Cooper on the trail of the Cheney/Wilson story and Cooper, while calling Rove about another story he was doing on welfare reform, set Rove up, possibly inadvertently, but it was exactly what Miller wanted. Miller is well-known for her WMD stories.

18 posted on 07/13/2005 12:51:30 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: digger48
the alternative is none too pretty, when dealing with the Clanton Gang, the options are limited. Ask Vince Foster.

The entire Niger trip, in my opinion, was an entirely left wing set up. All the players in the whole saga were left wing. All of them. Even in Africa they were UN.
I see in my mind big charges coming down soon. What's the sentence for conspiring to interfere with national security?

19 posted on 07/13/2005 12:57:06 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: ravingnutter

Yes. That is possible. But could Cooper have gotten his information, or confirmation, from his wife? As a person who has worked closely with Hillary for so many years, Mandy Gruenwald (Cooper's wife) would have had access to those infamous FBI files. Plame has not been covert for 9 years (before 2002) That would have put her covert service smack in the middle of eh Clinton Administration -- something Gruenwald would know all about. So, where does Miller fit? Is she also a buddy of Gruenwald, or Clinton?


20 posted on 07/13/2005 12:58:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ravingnutter
Miller is well-known for her WMD stories.

Miller supposedly tipped off a charity organization sending money to the Palestinian Liberation Army that they were being investigated by.......Fitzpatrick!!!! The same guy doing this "Plame leak" investigation !!! Boy, I'll bet she's screwed!

21 posted on 07/13/2005 1:01:18 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Hmmm...this story is interesting...

Something doesn't add up about why Judith Miller went to jail. The New York Times reporter didn't write a story about the Valerie Plame case and had a waiver from her source in order to talk about it to the grand jury. But she insisted on going to jail anyway. Speculation is mounting that Miller is protecting herself, that Miller was herself a source of information about Plame that made it to several Bush administration officials and was then recycled to columnist Robert Novak. He, then, disclosed Plame's employment by the CIA and her role in arranging for her husband Joe Wilson's mission to Africa to investigate the Iraq-uranium link.

This would help explain why Miller didn't write a story about the case. It would be difficult for Miller to write a story when she was so deeply involved in how it developed. Disclosure of her role then or now would be extremely embarrassing.

She could be the key to exonerating Bush administration officials of possible violations of the law against knowingly disclosing the identities of covert intelligence agents. If they were simply passing along information from Miller or some other journalist about Joseph Wilson's wife, then they can't be accused of deliberately disclosing classified information about Plame's identity.

The more likely explanation is that Miller is protecting private discussions with administration officials, and that during those discussions she provided or confirmed information about Plame's identity. This would make sense. Both Miller and Plame covered the subject of weapons of mass destruction and it was likely that they knew one another, or at least were aware of each other's work in this field.

Mens News Daily

22 posted on 07/13/2005 1:14:19 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Yes. That is possible. But could Cooper have gotten his information, or confirmation, from his wife?

You know, Joe Wilson lost all credibility after his Niger trip was debunked. Suddenly, a "leak" appeared, and he became a millionaire book author. Now, he and his wife are having a wonderful vacation.
The Rove story is just straw grabbing by the political left.

23 posted on 07/13/2005 1:15:30 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

See my #22...it is an article that also says Miller is protecting herself as the source. Not the scenario I had in mind, but probably more likely.


24 posted on 07/13/2005 1:17:09 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: cracker

You are making a fool of yourself............Cooper called Rove. The press is churning out BS, and you are lapping it up.


25 posted on 07/13/2005 1:22:38 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Cooper has now testified before the grand jury that Rove was his source.


26 posted on 07/13/2005 1:42:06 PM PDT by MarineOne
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To: Baynative

Bloomberg is reporting the Fitzgerald has questioned Bush on the matter. And others.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aPAumGLz.W9M&refer=top_world_news


28 posted on 07/13/2005 2:14:21 PM PDT by MarineOne
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To: concerned about politics

           Credit to “concerned about politics” for directing me to the comments on an article that questions the possibility that this whole Wilson debacle might well have been a set up by the dems to smear some dirt on the President’s reputation for honesty by sending an operative to Iraq. Obviously, why else would Wilson publish an op-ed piece in the Gray Lady of liberalism?

          Miller would have no hesitation of dumping more dirt on Rove if he in fact were her source. In fact back in November or thereabouts Rove executed a blank check allowing anyone do disclose anything he might have said regarding Wilson’s wife. Obviously Miller’s source is not Rove.

          The most logical conclusion to come to is the Miller is protecting herself, in the event that she is the source, or that she is protecting a democrat or foreign spy. That last option is hard to imagine I must say.

          The fact is that Tenant didn’t authorize the trip and Rove didn’t even know Wilson; but the WH certainly must have known Wilson’s bias and politics. Those guys don’t live in Peoria - no offense to the great Americans who do live there, but Peoria is not exactly within the Beltway.

          The fact that the Dems are talking about Rove being the source rules him out. They have a history of pointing the finger in the opposite directions so to FourtySeven who said: if it DOES come out that Rove NAMED Plame to Cooper, then we should be consistent and demand his resignation take heart brother, Rove is a master at his profession and wouldn’t do anything so stupid as to disclose a CIA undercover agent, and especially not to his “good friend” Cooper. What I’ve heard and can believe is that Cooper tried to verify that the VP sent Wilson and was told by Rove to be careful with that angle because he might be sticking his neck out. That I can believe since Rove would have been putting out a firestorm that would inevitable burn as a result of Cooper’s allegations. As we all know, the truth never catches up with the slander. The caveat of course is that when you go fishing for marlin you might just catch a shark. Eventually you keep what is good to eat and throwaway the rest.

          Does anyone reading this post really believe that Niger did not sell yellowcake to Iraq? You have a seller who needs cash and you have a buyer with stacks of it. Is this too much of a stretch for anyone? I doubt it. Haven’t we learned anything from the oil for food scam where even France and Germany were selling good and weapons to Iraq? Excuse me but Niger is one of the poorest countries in the world with minimal government services and insufficient funds to develop its resource base; however, it does have some of the world's largest uranium deposits. I’d call that a natural resource, and that’s what do governments do? They exploit them. Of course it’s not nice to sell Atom Bomb material to Iraq, so don’t expect to see truckloads of yellowcake caravanning in open daylight.

         

 

 

29 posted on 07/13/2005 2:56:15 PM PDT by street_lawyer
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To: Crackingham

Is the Iraq war the cause of this attack?

A liberal sent this to me and it could be the real cause:

"This is the man [Rove] who turned the "Dean Scream" into a campaign-killing character assassination."


30 posted on 07/13/2005 3:53:22 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Crackingham
Really what this is about is the case for going into Iraq. The issue is really the debates about the war, the evidence that was used to go to war, and the claims that were made by this administration that proved to be false.

Dem's can't realize that those issues were resolved by Bush's re-election. But since they have no valid issues or reasonable ideas to put forward, this junk continues.

What should matter is what gets passed on the hill and why. With the yearly deficit narrowing, this fall is a good time to make the income tax cuts permanent.

31 posted on 07/13/2005 4:38:04 PM PDT by DmBarch
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