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Former Mexican Foreign Minister Demands Open Border In Exchange for Cooperation on Security
Fair.org ^ | 07/13/05 17:43:04 | Fair.org

Posted on 07/13/2005 5:05:34 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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Leading members of the Senate, including John McCain and Richard Lugar, seemingly accepted Castenada's demands for open borders as a legitimate price for even tepid Mexican cooperation in dealing with the terrorist threat.
Why am I not surprised?

I guess it's because they're used to working out deals where they bargain away their rights and advantages in exchange for promises from liars.

I wonder, if it were VC and NVA leaders coming along offering McCain the same kind of concessions, what his reaction would be?

(Judging from McCain's inaction and active subversion on the POW/MIA issue, I guess I have my answer.)

21 posted on 07/13/2005 5:23:28 PM PDT by jayhorn (rehab is for quitters.)
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To: republican2005
how about a closed border in exchange for us not dropping some bombs on mexico city?
Nah, then we'd have a flood of illegals calling themselves "refugees." The victimology factor would increase by several levels, along with the attendant bleeding-heart suck-uppage.
22 posted on 07/13/2005 5:29:24 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Non-Mexican Arrests Up 175% At Southwest Border
http://www.steinreport.com/
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This SHOULD have Washington doing backflips...but all we see or hear is...???...???...???


23 posted on 07/13/2005 5:30:03 PM PDT by EagleUSA (W)
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To: fight_truth_decay

It shouldn't be too long now until the pro-illegal folks come on posting pictures of the fence.


24 posted on 07/13/2005 5:39:21 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I am getting to the point that in the next round of elections, I am not going to even consider a candidate unless they are as angry as I am about the illegal alien situation. This is just insanity. Who the heck is former Mexican Foreign Minister Jorge Castaneda in the war against terror except a pesky cockroach? This is MY freakin country and not his. Like Mexico assisting us with Homeland Security even makes a dent anyway. If these senators are going to tuck their cajones up their butts like popped out hemorrhoids, and cater to the Mexican barking chihuahuas, then they will not get my vote.


25 posted on 07/13/2005 5:39:41 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: La Enchiladita; Flyer; Eaker; humblegunner; thackney; TheMom; pax_et_bonum; Xenalyte; Squantos

ugada-boogada...


26 posted on 07/13/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
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To: La Enchiladita
Demand???

My aching a**

Tell that sucker to go take a hike!

27 posted on 07/13/2005 5:41:45 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: fight_truth_decay

Just one tidbit of many, to use against the Pro-illegal crowd in 2006 and 2008.


28 posted on 07/13/2005 5:48:08 PM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Americans hire Americans. Traitors hire illegals.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
First we get terrorized by the friggin muzzies and now we get blackmailed by the friggin nation of mexico if we don't let the terrorists in.

No deal, mexico. Furthermore, if we do get terrorized by some a-holes you let exit your country into the U.S. by any means, consider yourselves as an instant enemy of America when the balloon goes up.

Really tired of listening to this crap.

Not a lawyer, but when the Mexican government proved itself complicit in encouraging its citizens to jump the U.S. border, it broke the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago. If the treaty is broke, we no longer have to honor it.

Think about that, Mexico. Just STFU and quit while you're ahead.

29 posted on 07/13/2005 6:06:06 PM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"No border security is possible without Mexican cooperation".

I have to say I disagree. We, the richest nation in the world, can't string a couple thousand miles of electrified chain link topped w/ barbed wire and a few camera towers?

Come on! This would really be insignificant in federal terms... even w/ "minority set-asides".
30 posted on 07/13/2005 6:11:41 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Eastbound
Crush Him

31 posted on 07/13/2005 6:13:46 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If the USA patrols and closes the border properly how are the drug smuglers going to smuggle their drugs into the USA?


32 posted on 07/13/2005 6:48:06 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: G-Man 1

secure our border bump!


33 posted on 07/13/2005 7:12:30 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: fight_truth_decay
the reaction of the senators to the extortion demands of a former top Mexican government official was even more disconcerting. Leading members of the Senate, including John McCain and Richard Lugar, seemingly accepted Castenada's demands for open borders as a legitimate price for even tepid Mexican cooperation in dealing with the terrorist threat.

Although the above overstates the matter (the senators were more passive and deflective than endorsing of the quid pro quo suggestion), the passivity was disconcerting. The suggestion might have been made by someone, that if Mexico does not cooperate with apprehending and thwarting terrorists, it runs the risk of being legislatively labeled a terrorist harboring state, with all of the consequences. Running the terrorists down is not a quid pro matter, and suggesting that it is, is offensive, and dangerous for the future of American-Mexican relations, and you sir, should tell your friends. That is what I might have said. I know, it would not have been popular on that committee - just necessary, in my opinion.

34 posted on 07/13/2005 8:14:53 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Pessimist
"We, the richest nation in the world, can't string a couple thousand miles of electrified chain link topped w/ barbed wire and a few camera towers?"

Why do that and have to pay an electric bill? How many people do we have out of work? Give them all jobs building a 20 ft high wall, then give them jobs patrolling the US side of that wall with orders to shoot anything coming through, above, around, underneath, or otherwise across it. It's time to secure perimeter defenses. It's a time of war; not securing your perimeter is suicide.
35 posted on 07/13/2005 8:40:38 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: HiJinx

Here's another "We're screwn" ping.

This time, they want to add a little extortion.


36 posted on 07/14/2005 6:15:18 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: G-Man 1; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; ...
If the USA patrols and closes the border properly how are the drug smuglers going to smuggle their drugs into the USA?

Very astute question. Now, we need to ask the follow-up, the real question. Who is it who is fighting to keep the border open? We don't need to ask why, that was answered by the first question.

37 posted on 07/14/2005 7:54:58 AM PDT by HiJinx ("A landowner has no duty to aid trespassers." ~ U.S. District Court Judge John M. Roll)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
This is MY freakin country and not his.

I don't think America belongs to its citizens any longer. The day George Bush was elected president, he implemended tactics which would destroy the country as we know it. Now this pennyante politician is giving orders to the traitors who sit in Congres, and they listen and no doubt will give serious consideration to everything he has asked, because Bush has already agreed to this behind closed doors, and has signed treaties to make it legal.

The old Soviet Union is alive and well in the US.

38 posted on 07/14/2005 8:34:51 AM PDT by swampfox98
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Castaneda, now a professor at New York University"...

Yes folks ----- this sonuvabitch is TEACHING at a NEW YORK University....

The freaking insanity never stops!!

Semper Fi

39 posted on 07/14/2005 8:41:45 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: swampfox98
Bush has already agreed to this behind closed doors, and has signed treaties to make it legal.

This is another thing that has me dumbfounded. How can such a major move as effectively changing our borders be made without anyone asking us what we think about it?

40 posted on 07/14/2005 8:46:22 AM PDT by KittyKares
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