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JOE WILSON: ’The President should fire Rove’!
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7012 ^ | July 13, 2005

Posted on 07/13/2005 6:25:47 PM PDT by Howlin

The Ambassador Strikes Back, Answers to the Right Wing Spin Machine *** A BRAD BLOG EXCLUSIVE ***

Ambassador Joseph Wilson fired back today at the Rightwing Spin Machine, which, having been issued marching orders late yesterday in a set of talking points from the RNC, is once again hoping to distract from the potentially treasonous crimes that George W. Bush’s top political operative and Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove is being alleged to have committed.

In a phone discussion early this afternoon, Wilson told The BRAD BLOG in no uncertain terms that "the President should fire Rove."

He told us that he’d be appearing on NBC’s Today Show tomorrow morning and would be repeating that call.

As well, he told The BRAD BLOG that he planned to read a letter on air which he received from Bush’s father, President George H.W. Bush shortly after an article of his was printed in the San Jose Weekly News, on October 13, 2002, in which Wilson related his concerns about the pitfalls of the approach to Iraq being taken at the time by both the U.N. and the U.S.

In reply to that article, Wilson said that the former President wrote that he had "read your article and I agree with a lot of it."

Additionally, Wilson explained, Bush 41’s own National Security Advisor, Brett Scowcroft had contacted him to ask whether he "could walk on over to the White House with the letter" at the time. Which apparently he did.

Wilson also had sent the article to Bush 41’s Secretary of State, James Baker.

"None of them responded saying you’re a Democratic partisan hack and your views suck," said Wilson.

The above points are notable, because armed with those RNC talking point, Rush Limbaugh, Fox "News" and Friends have today kicked into overdrive smearing and lying about Wilson, claiming that he was against the Iraq War from the get-go.

If fact, Wilson, who was in charge of the Embassy in Iraq during the first Gulf War under Bush 41 (he was the last American to speak personally with Saddam Hussein before the war begain, and was responsible for taking care of some 125 Americans who had sought refuge in the American Embassy there when they were not allowed by Saddam to leave the country just prior to the war), says that it was "a full eight months" after he was sent by the CIA to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium there, "before I had said anything publicly about what America should consider in regard to a war with Iraq."

"My real concern was always WMD," he told us, "not Regime Change."

That concern was expressed in the October 2002, San Jose Weekly News editorial which apparently George W. Bush’s own father and National Security Advisor tended to agree with. Wilson’s trip to Niger occurred a full eight months earlier, in February of that same year.

We asked him if he had heard Fox "News’" John Gibson make his deplorable and irresponsible statement yesterday which said that "Karl Rove should receive a medal," because Wilson’s wife, covert CIA asset Valerie Plame, "should have been outted."

"Where I come from," slurred Gibson, "we do not want secret spy masters pulling the puppet strings in the background.

Gibson’s "logic", such that he has any, seems to be based on the unsupported claims that Plame -- or Wilson’s "little wifey" as Gibson condescendingly referred to her -- was "pulling the puppet strings" of national policy from her covert position in the CIA by sending Wilson, to Niger. That was, in Gibson’s false claim, because Wilson, "was opposed to the War in Iraq, opposed to Bush policy, and pointedly and loudly said so."

No, he didn’t, Mr. Gibson. Never mind those pesky facts. It’s only Fox "News" you work for, so we realize such facts are hardly relevant to you receiving your paycheck there.

"That is something that should be out in the open," blathered Gibson, "And the person doing it should be identified and should own up to it. So Rove should get a medal, if he did do what he says he didn’t do."

In response, Wilson simply said, "Well, that’s a lie. But no surprise there."

In the meantime, despite such pesky facts, the wingnuts also continue to claim that Plame was, in fact, not even a covert asset at the time of her outting.

The BRAD BLOG has learned from several sources, as also confirmed in Time magazine that Plame was indeed a "NOC", a nonofficial covert agent, the most valuable and secretive of CIA assets.

In regard to whether she was covert or not at the time of her outting by Rove, Bob Novak or whoever his "two senior administration sources" were, Wilson said, "What I can say is, that the CIA looked at the evidence of what had happened and referred the case to the Justice Department. That means that the CIA may think that a crime has been committed."

On Rightwing Hackery hoping to cynically deflect from the seriousness of the potentially treasonous crime committed by claiming that "Wilson lied" about his wife’s involvement in sending him to Niger, Wilson says, "In actual fact, all I’ve done is repeat what the CIA itself has said since July 22nd, 2003 as reported initially in Newsday by Knut Royce and Tim Phelps."

That Newsday article says [emphasis added]:

A senior intelligence official confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked "alongside" the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger.

But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment. "They [the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story] were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising," he said. "There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason," he said. "I can’t figure out what it could be."

"The CIA said [my wife] was not the person to have authorized my trip. They’ve repeated that time and time again."

And the Bush Apologists, who suddenly don’t seem to care all that much about National Security after all, keep repeating the opposite. Time and time again.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; cialeak; johngibson; leak; plame; rove; wilson; yellowcake
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1 posted on 07/13/2005 6:25:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Dane; MJY1288; Mo1; cyncooper; Shermy; deport; hole_n_one

More Wilson lies!


2 posted on 07/13/2005 6:26:28 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin

Wilson should go to jail, he outed his own wife!


3 posted on 07/13/2005 6:27:00 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Howlin
A liar calls for the guy who outed him to be fired! This is the best the Left can do? BWAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:20 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Echo Talon

The funny thing about this story is that ANYBODY thinks Wilson is the right person to ask about Rove's job future. Even Democrats should recognize that Wilson is biased.


5 posted on 07/13/2005 6:28:44 PM PDT by grondram (The problem with the middle of the road is that you're passed on all sides and likely to be runover.)
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To: Echo Talon
That's why Wilson is screaming bloody murder. He knows he screwed up, and he's trying to throw off the scent of the prosecutor. Methinks Fitzgerald is no fool, however.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

6 posted on 07/13/2005 6:29:40 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Howlin
"None of them responded saying you’re a Democratic partisan hack and your views suck," said Wilson.

Okay. I'll say it then.

7 posted on 07/13/2005 6:29:59 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: Howlin

Joe Wilson should campaign for the WhiteHOuse -or get himself appointed to the supreme Court befor ehe starts telling President bush who to fire. In other words Joe Wilson ought keep his foot secure in his mouth so as to not be talking out his other oriface as he so often has.


8 posted on 07/13/2005 6:30:59 PM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Echo Talon
Wilson should go to jail, he outed his own wife!

I have heard this also. Do you know when and to whom?

9 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:05 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Howlin
This is the most amazing story I have ever seen in my life.

Which, I grant you, is not all that long, but still...

10 posted on 07/13/2005 6:31:23 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: section9; grondram

Wilson=Looney Toons


11 posted on 07/13/2005 6:32:03 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Archon of the East

If I recall correctly, he identified his wife by name (but not by profession) in an online CV. They were also well-known socialites. They hung out with Walter Pincus (of the AP?) for one.


12 posted on 07/13/2005 6:32:59 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: Archon of the East
I have heard this also. Do you know when and to whom?

I guess Wilson, had on HIS website that his wife(The Gave her name) Worked for the CIA in the WMD section.

13 posted on 07/13/2005 6:33:16 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Howlin
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A$$ monkies can write?

14 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:12 PM PDT by WideGlide (That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
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To: Howlin

<< Rove, Bob Novak or whoever his "two senior administration sources" were, Wilson said, "What I can say is, that the CIA looked at the evidence of what had happened and referred the case to the Justice Department. That means that the CIA may think that a crime has been committed.>>



It might have been Rove, Novak, or 'whoever'---- therefore, blahblahblah, Rove, blahblah, Rove, blahblah, crime MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, blahblah, Rove.

Good Lord. The asses are manufacturing the story faster than they can keep up.


15 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:26 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Howlin
The BRAD BLOG has learned from several sources, as also confirmed in Time magazine that Plame was indeed a "NOC", a nonofficial covert agent, the most valuable and secretive of CIA assets.

Right!!! I wonder how many "NOC" agents appear of the cover of magazines???

I heard this "NOC" statement on a local talk show today. I about drove off the road laughing

Do these people know how stupid they sound.

A "NOC" agent takes several years of training. Did Plame start as a teenager since she has not be uncover for nine years???

16 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:32 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: AmishDude

Isn't it?


17 posted on 07/13/2005 6:34:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Echo Talon

He had his own web site, which was linked from John Kerry's web site. It is no longer up and/or linked.


18 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:23 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Echo Talon
I guess Wilson, had on HIS website that his wife(The Gave her name) Worked for the CIA in the WMD section.

Was this before his trip to Niger?

19 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:24 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Howlin
"...Plame was indeed a "NOC", a nonofficial covert agent..."

What in the heck is that?

20 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:41 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Howlin

FIRE Wilson.


21 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:43 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Howlin
What I don't understand is that if Rove told Cooper that Plame was CIA specifically "on double secret background" then isn't it Cooper who should be fired for "outing" a CIA agent when he published information given to him in confidence? It was Cooper, not Rove, who outed her.
22 posted on 07/13/2005 6:35:51 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Howlin

these people are evil.

this isn't even political dialogue.


23 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:10 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: Howlin
Keep talking dummy! You and your pals in the DNC, Democrat Party, and the Media, Keep Talking!

You're being allowed to do this until GW wants to YANK! the rug out from under you. Enjoy the HARD FALL!

24 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:10 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Popman

What the hell is a "non-official covert agent?"

Is it somebody who is PLAYING covert?


25 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:23 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin

Just a "feeling"....but I think Judith Miller and the N.Y. Slimes is covering for the former terrorist czar. Richard Clarke.

May the Force be with Rove.



JEDI


26 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:29 PM PDT by JediForce (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Howlin

For details and specifics on Wilson's lies, go to:

RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman Statement On The Partisan Attack On Karl Rove

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=5620


27 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Howlin
"None of them responded saying you’re a Democratic partisan hack and your views suck," said Wilson.

Only a demonrat partisan hack would know that they demand being called a Democratic instead of a Democrat; therefore, he was and is one.

28 posted on 07/13/2005 6:36:57 PM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (Are liberals born stupid, or do they have to work at it???)
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To: grondram

Biased is the least of what Wilson is.


29 posted on 07/13/2005 6:37:19 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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Little Joey Wilson should be sent to prison where he belongs for taking a Yellow Cake Junket to Africa at the taxpayers' expense only so he could come back and "write" a Bush/America-bashing op-ed for the old gray whore, the NYT.


31 posted on 07/13/2005 6:38:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Archon of the East
not sure, just what I heard of tv or the radio or something...

Here is a link that might help?
here

32 posted on 07/13/2005 6:39:18 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: FreedomCalls

Exactly!

And from what I read somewhere online today, Cooper, who really does have a wicked sense of humor, probably just put that in the email of his own accord.

From Newsweek:

It was 11:07 on a Friday morning, July 11, 2003, and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper was tapping out an e-mail to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy. "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.


**I'd love to see the entire email.


33 posted on 07/13/2005 6:39:59 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin

Oh, what an honor for the BRAD BLOG to speak with an admitted, confirmed liar. It must have been quite a thrill.


34 posted on 07/13/2005 6:40:36 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Howlin
"Is it somebody who is PLAYING covert?"

Or maybe it's someone who hasn't as yet received their "Secret Decoder Ring."

35 posted on 07/13/2005 6:40:47 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: unsycophant

Wilson and his wife are the ones who should be investigated. They used the CIA for their own political purposes.

====

Karl Rove, Whistleblower

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1441869/posts

Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove's head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we'd say the White House political guru deserves a prize -- perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.

For Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real "whistleblower" in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal. He's the one who warned Time's Matthew Cooper and other reporters to be wary of Mr. Wilson's credibility. He's the one who told the press the truth that Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. In short, Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Thank you, Mr. Rove.


36 posted on 07/13/2005 6:41:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Howlin
No cover. Upper management, college recruiters, congressional liaisons, Director George Tenet: These men and women are publicly acknowledged CIA employees.

Light cover. Many of the CIA's analysts and scientists fall under this category. Their families and friends might know who they really work for, but publicly, they claim to be employed by some other innocuous government agency or group. One former intelligence officer described this as "the cover you use if your airplane gets hijacked": It's safe enough to use on a quick visit overseas, say to meet with intelligence counterparts in a friendly country, but insufficient cover for spies stationed abroad.

Official cover. Most CIA employees engaged in operations overseas are given official cover: a sham job in the U.S. embassy (or working for another government agency) that affords them diplomatic immunity. These spies work under varying degrees of secrecy—the CIA station chief in a major ally nation may be well-known on the diplomatic cocktail circuit, but his subordinates, who actually recruit new informants, may not be. Such spies probably confide in their immediate families, but otherwise are unlikely to reveal their true occupation. (Although some operatives working in allied nations are "declared" officers, which means the CIA informs the host government that they are spies.) The advantage of official cover is that if officers are caught, they enjoy the benefits of diplomatic protection; at worst, they'd be publicly outed and sent home in disgrace.

Nonofficial cover. NOCs (the word rhymes with "rocks") are the most covert CIA operatives. They typically work abroad without diplomatic protection (often they pretend to work for some commercial enterprise). If these spies are caught, there's no guarantee that the United States would admit their true identities. When using official cover could put a spy's life and work at risk, NOC is the only alternative.


37 posted on 07/13/2005 6:41:46 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Echo Talon
Joe Wilson = Super Genius
38 posted on 07/13/2005 6:42:03 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: Howlin
"None of them responded saying you’re a Democratic partisan hack and your views suck," said Wilson.

I'm sorry, but this is BS. As much as I despise Wilson for the weasel he is, there's no way in hell that he would ever utter something as childish as this. This whole "story" makes an Indymedia rant look like good writing.

39 posted on 07/13/2005 6:42:34 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: FairOpinion

Read those remarks by Tenet on 7/11/03; According to somebody I heard tonight, what Cooper didn't know that Rove knew was that Tenet was getting ready to make those very remarks that night Rove was talking to Cooper; I think Rove was really trying to warn a friend off a bad story.


40 posted on 07/13/2005 6:43:12 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin
Obviously based on these definitions Plame was not a "NOC" agent for a long time
41 posted on 07/13/2005 6:43:43 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Howlin

I LOVE John Gibson! :)


42 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:06 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Howlin
Is Wilson Miller's source?

I bet it is either Wilson or Plame -- that's why Miller is in jail, too embarrassing to let it get out.

The plot thickens, doesn't look like this IP is a fool so I bet he gets to the bottom of it. Takes some moxie to throw a NY Times reporter in jail.
43 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:43 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Howlin
Brad has a fan..........

Conyers to Friedman: 'Great Appreciation And Many Thanks'
A Message from Congressman John Conyers, Jr.



Greetings Brad and Bradbloggers,

It is with great appreciation and many thanks that I write to congratulate Brad on his success. Brad's work is more than just good reading--his insight, his diligence, and his staying power make him one of the most informative progressive voices in the alternative media.

For all your work, and for your unwavering ability to speak truth to power, Brad, I thank you.

Yours,

Congressman John Conyers, Jr.

Wilson "testified" before Conyers' circus re: TDSM


44 posted on 07/13/2005 6:44:48 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Echo Talon

Helps alot. Thanks!!!!


45 posted on 07/13/2005 6:45:03 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Howlin
What the hell is a "non-official covert agent?"

I think that was what john kerry was in Cambodia...

46 posted on 07/13/2005 6:45:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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To: Howlin
JOE WILSON: ’The President should fire Rove’!

Well, that settles it, then.

Karl, we'll give you good references.

47 posted on 07/13/2005 6:45:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Looks like the Supreme Court wants to play Cowboys and Homeowners.)
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To: Howlin

I'm waiting to hear what Sandy Berger and Kofi Annan-- two great heros of the left-- think the President should do to Mr. Rove before making up my mind.


48 posted on 07/13/2005 6:45:39 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: CFC__VRWC

You know what, I don't care; it's in print on the internet, so I'm going to quote it like it's fact........LOL.

Let Wilson see what that's like!


49 posted on 07/13/2005 6:46:14 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Echo Talon

I can't wait until this guy is indicted.

Any chance he was dumb enough to testify under oath to the grand jury?

And - I never hear them mentioned anymore - who was/is taking care of the Wilson's pre-school twins* while Mrs. - to hear the left tell it - was scouring the caves of Tora-Bora hot on the trail of obl?

*they were toddlers when I first heard about them a year or two ago.


50 posted on 07/13/2005 6:46:42 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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