Skip to comments.JOE WILSON: ’The President should fire Rove’!
Posted on 07/13/2005 6:25:47 PM PDT by Howlin
The Ambassador Strikes Back, Answers to the Right Wing Spin Machine *** A BRAD BLOG EXCLUSIVE ***
Ambassador Joseph Wilson fired back today at the Rightwing Spin Machine, which, having been issued marching orders late yesterday in a set of talking points from the RNC, is once again hoping to distract from the potentially treasonous crimes that George W. Bushs top political operative and Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove is being alleged to have committed.
In a phone discussion early this afternoon, Wilson told The BRAD BLOG in no uncertain terms that "the President should fire Rove."
He told us that hed be appearing on NBCs Today Show tomorrow morning and would be repeating that call.
As well, he told The BRAD BLOG that he planned to read a letter on air which he received from Bushs father, President George H.W. Bush shortly after an article of his was printed in the San Jose Weekly News, on October 13, 2002, in which Wilson related his concerns about the pitfalls of the approach to Iraq being taken at the time by both the U.N. and the U.S.
In reply to that article, Wilson said that the former President wrote that he had "read your article and I agree with a lot of it."
Additionally, Wilson explained, Bush 41s own National Security Advisor, Brett Scowcroft had contacted him to ask whether he "could walk on over to the White House with the letter" at the time. Which apparently he did.
Wilson also had sent the article to Bush 41s Secretary of State, James Baker.
"None of them responded saying youre a Democratic partisan hack and your views suck," said Wilson.
The above points are notable, because armed with those RNC talking point, Rush Limbaugh, Fox "News" and Friends have today kicked into overdrive smearing and lying about Wilson, claiming that he was against the Iraq War from the get-go.
If fact, Wilson, who was in charge of the Embassy in Iraq during the first Gulf War under Bush 41 (he was the last American to speak personally with Saddam Hussein before the war begain, and was responsible for taking care of some 125 Americans who had sought refuge in the American Embassy there when they were not allowed by Saddam to leave the country just prior to the war), says that it was "a full eight months" after he was sent by the CIA to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium there, "before I had said anything publicly about what America should consider in regard to a war with Iraq."
"My real concern was always WMD," he told us, "not Regime Change."
That concern was expressed in the October 2002, San Jose Weekly News editorial which apparently George W. Bushs own father and National Security Advisor tended to agree with. Wilsons trip to Niger occurred a full eight months earlier, in February of that same year.
We asked him if he had heard Fox "News" John Gibson make his deplorable and irresponsible statement yesterday which said that "Karl Rove should receive a medal," because Wilsons wife, covert CIA asset Valerie Plame, "should have been outted."
"Where I come from," slurred Gibson, "we do not want secret spy masters pulling the puppet strings in the background.
Gibsons "logic", such that he has any, seems to be based on the unsupported claims that Plame -- or Wilsons "little wifey" as Gibson condescendingly referred to her -- was "pulling the puppet strings" of national policy from her covert position in the CIA by sending Wilson, to Niger. That was, in Gibsons false claim, because Wilson, "was opposed to the War in Iraq, opposed to Bush policy, and pointedly and loudly said so."
No, he didnt, Mr. Gibson. Never mind those pesky facts. Its only Fox "News" you work for, so we realize such facts are hardly relevant to you receiving your paycheck there.
"That is something that should be out in the open," blathered Gibson, "And the person doing it should be identified and should own up to it. So Rove should get a medal, if he did do what he says he didnt do."
In response, Wilson simply said, "Well, thats a lie. But no surprise there."
In the meantime, despite such pesky facts, the wingnuts also continue to claim that Plame was, in fact, not even a covert asset at the time of her outting.
The BRAD BLOG has learned from several sources, as also confirmed in Time magazine that Plame was indeed a "NOC", a nonofficial covert agent, the most valuable and secretive of CIA assets.
In regard to whether she was covert or not at the time of her outting by Rove, Bob Novak or whoever his "two senior administration sources" were, Wilson said, "What I can say is, that the CIA looked at the evidence of what had happened and referred the case to the Justice Department. That means that the CIA may think that a crime has been committed."
On Rightwing Hackery hoping to cynically deflect from the seriousness of the potentially treasonous crime committed by claiming that "Wilson lied" about his wifes involvement in sending him to Niger, Wilson says, "In actual fact, all Ive done is repeat what the CIA itself has said since July 22nd, 2003 as reported initially in Newsday by Knut Royce and Tim Phelps."
That Newsday article says [emphasis added]:
A senior intelligence official confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked "alongside" the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger.
But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment. "They [the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story] were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising," he said. "There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason," he said. "I cant figure out what it could be."
"The CIA said [my wife] was not the person to have authorized my trip. Theyve repeated that time and time again."
And the Bush Apologists, who suddenly dont seem to care all that much about National Security after all, keep repeating the opposite. Time and time again.
More Wilson lies!
Wilson should go to jail, he outed his own wife!
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
The funny thing about this story is that ANYBODY thinks Wilson is the right person to ask about Rove's job future. Even Democrats should recognize that Wilson is biased.
Be Seeing You,
Okay. I'll say it then.
Joe Wilson should campaign for the WhiteHOuse -or get himself appointed to the supreme Court befor ehe starts telling President bush who to fire. In other words Joe Wilson ought keep his foot secure in his mouth so as to not be talking out his other oriface as he so often has.
I have heard this also. Do you know when and to whom?
Which, I grant you, is not all that long, but still...
If I recall correctly, he identified his wife by name (but not by profession) in an online CV. They were also well-known socialites. They hung out with Walter Pincus (of the AP?) for one.
I guess Wilson, had on HIS website that his wife(The Gave her name) Worked for the CIA in the WMD section.
<< Rove, Bob Novak or whoever his "two senior administration sources" were, Wilson said, "What I can say is, that the CIA looked at the evidence of what had happened and referred the case to the Justice Department. That means that the CIA may think that a crime has been committed.>>
It might have been Rove, Novak, or 'whoever'---- therefore, blahblahblah, Rove, blahblah, Rove, blahblah, crime MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, blahblah, Rove.
Good Lord. The asses are manufacturing the story faster than they can keep up.
Right!!! I wonder how many "NOC" agents appear of the cover of magazines???
I heard this "NOC" statement on a local talk show today. I about drove off the road laughing
Do these people know how stupid they sound.
A "NOC" agent takes several years of training. Did Plame start as a teenager since she has not be uncover for nine years???
He had his own web site, which was linked from John Kerry's web site. It is no longer up and/or linked.
Was this before his trip to Niger?
What in the heck is that?
these people are evil.
this isn't even political dialogue.
You're being allowed to do this until GW wants to YANK! the rug out from under you. Enjoy the HARD FALL!
What the hell is a "non-official covert agent?"
Is it somebody who is PLAYING covert?
Just a "feeling"....but I think Judith Miller and the N.Y. Slimes is covering for the former terrorist czar. Richard Clarke.
May the Force be with Rove.
For details and specifics on Wilson's lies, go to:
RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman Statement On The Partisan Attack On Karl Rove
Only a demonrat partisan hack would know that they demand being called a Democratic instead of a Democrat; therefore, he was and is one.
Biased is the least of what Wilson is.
Little Joey Wilson should be sent to prison where he belongs for taking a Yellow Cake Junket to Africa at the taxpayers' expense only so he could come back and "write" a Bush/America-bashing op-ed for the old gray whore, the NYT.
Here is a link that might help?
And from what I read somewhere online today, Cooper, who really does have a wicked sense of humor, probably just put that in the email of his own accord.
It was 11:07 on a Friday morning, July 11, 2003, and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper was tapping out an e-mail to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy. "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.
**I'd love to see the entire email.
Oh, what an honor for the BRAD BLOG to speak with an admitted, confirmed liar. It must have been quite a thrill.
Or maybe it's someone who hasn't as yet received their "Secret Decoder Ring."
Wilson and his wife are the ones who should be investigated. They used the CIA for their own political purposes.
Karl Rove, Whistleblower
Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove's head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we'd say the White House political guru deserves a prize -- perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.
For Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real "whistleblower" in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal. He's the one who warned Time's Matthew Cooper and other reporters to be wary of Mr. Wilson's credibility. He's the one who told the press the truth that Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. In short, Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Thank you, Mr. Rove.
Light cover. Many of the CIA's analysts and scientists fall under this category. Their families and friends might know who they really work for, but publicly, they claim to be employed by some other innocuous government agency or group. One former intelligence officer described this as "the cover you use if your airplane gets hijacked": It's safe enough to use on a quick visit overseas, say to meet with intelligence counterparts in a friendly country, but insufficient cover for spies stationed abroad.
Official cover. Most CIA employees engaged in operations overseas are given official cover: a sham job in the U.S. embassy (or working for another government agency) that affords them diplomatic immunity. These spies work under varying degrees of secrecythe CIA station chief in a major ally nation may be well-known on the diplomatic cocktail circuit, but his subordinates, who actually recruit new informants, may not be. Such spies probably confide in their immediate families, but otherwise are unlikely to reveal their true occupation. (Although some operatives working in allied nations are "declared" officers, which means the CIA informs the host government that they are spies.) The advantage of official cover is that if officers are caught, they enjoy the benefits of diplomatic protection; at worst, they'd be publicly outed and sent home in disgrace.
Nonofficial cover. NOCs (the word rhymes with "rocks") are the most covert CIA operatives. They typically work abroad without diplomatic protection (often they pretend to work for some commercial enterprise). If these spies are caught, there's no guarantee that the United States would admit their true identities. When using official cover could put a spy's life and work at risk, NOC is the only alternative.
I'm sorry, but this is BS. As much as I despise Wilson for the weasel he is, there's no way in hell that he would ever utter something as childish as this. This whole "story" makes an Indymedia rant look like good writing.
Read those remarks by Tenet on 7/11/03; According to somebody I heard tonight, what Cooper didn't know that Rove knew was that Tenet was getting ready to make those very remarks that night Rove was talking to Cooper; I think Rove was really trying to warn a friend off a bad story.
I LOVE John Gibson! :)
Wilson "testified" before Conyers' circus re: TDSM
Helps alot. Thanks!!!!
I think that was what john kerry was in Cambodia...
Well, that settles it, then.
Karl, we'll give you good references.
I'm waiting to hear what Sandy Berger and Kofi Annan-- two great heros of the left-- think the President should do to Mr. Rove before making up my mind.
You know what, I don't care; it's in print on the internet, so I'm going to quote it like it's fact........LOL.
Let Wilson see what that's like!
I can't wait until this guy is indicted.
Any chance he was dumb enough to testify under oath to the grand jury?
And - I never hear them mentioned anymore - who was/is taking care of the Wilson's pre-school twins* while Mrs. - to hear the left tell it - was scouring the caves of Tora-Bora hot on the trail of obl?
*they were toddlers when I first heard about them a year or two ago.