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Al Zawahiri behind assassination attempts on Musharraf
Daily Times of Pakistan ^ | 7/14/05 | Khalid Hasan

Posted on 07/13/2005 9:23:55 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter

Washington: The attempts on President Pervez Musharraf’s life were made under the personal directions of Ayman Al Zawahiri, it was revealed here.

Alexis Debat, a noted terrorism expert, who once worked for the French defence ministry, told a meeting at the Nixon Centre here last week that this information was provided by the captured Al Qaeda figure, Abu Farraj Al Libbi.

According to the terrorism expert, who recently spent time in Pakistan and claims to have received extensive briefings from the Pakistan army, the US carried out precision strikes on certain compounds in both North and South Waziristan, but the “Pakistani military doesn’t like to acknowledge that fact.”

Debat said the Pakistan military acknowledges the fact that it has no precision-guided munitions in its arsenal, so the precision strikes could only have been undertaken by the Americans. In all, he said, 326 militants were killed and through a combination of force and cash payments and agreements, the Pakistani authorities were able to keep the tribes in check and collect some information about Al Qaeda’s physical infrastructures in Waziristan. In a raid in June 2004 in the Shakai Valley, the military discovered Al Qaeda’s operational headquarters in Pakistan. Not only were lots of weapons found but also extensive video equipment. There was also a location where a lot of propaganda was produced, filmed and cut, and dozens of computers. Also found were CD-ROMs and tapes that are distributed throughout the tribal areas and the Gulf.

He said the arrest of Abu Farraj Al Libbi had yielded much information about the use of Pakistan as a base, and not just the tribal areas, but the entire country as a base for Al Qaeda. He gave out the names of about 100 operatives in the Gulf who were in charge of logistical planning and raising funds for the organisation in the United Arab Emirates as well as Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

He said Al Qaeda’s Chechen-Uzbek component favours attacking the Pakistani government and establishing a jihad against the Pakistanis. The Arab element is in favour of not attacking the Pakistanis but using the tribal areas as a base to conduct operations across the border against American and coalition forces in Afghanistan and elsewhere. “It looks like this component has won the argument for now, because the operations against the Pakistani military have ceased. And we’ve seen a increasing amount of attacks across the border in Afghanistan,” he added.

Debat said he had been taken to a house north of Peshawar that was controlled by the Jamaat-i-Islami and which for the last four years had served as a safehouse for Ayman Al Zawahiri. He said it became clear to him that there is a “very clear, non-institutional but very clear link between Jamaat-i-Islami all the way down to Al Qaeda.” Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he recalled, was picked up in a house that was also the house of a former ISI major and Jamaat official. “So this party’s fingerprints are all over the mujahideen movement in Pakistan, and that raises some very fundamental questions about US foreign policy,” he added. He went on to wonder whether about the fingerprints of the ISI in all this and asked whether “it is an institutional policy or if it is through personal connections and personal relationships.”

Ramzi Binalshibh, he pointed out, was picked up in a house in Karachi owned by Jaish-e-Muhammad. Daniel Pearl was kidnapped by Harakat-ul-Mujahideen. He was held by Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and beheaded by Yemeni militants linked to Al Qaeda, the first link between all of those groups working together on a specific operation.

According to Debat, contrary to what the Pakistan government has been saying, Al Qaeda has an ideological and political base in Pakistan. “It doesn’t make Pakistan an enemy of the United States. Quite the contrary. It makes sections of the Pakistani society antagonistic and enemies of the United States, and dangerous enemies of the United States. It makes Pakistan an extremely important country. It makes the necessity of expulsing, rooting out the Al Qaeda-Taliban component from the tribal areas an absolute necessity,” he stressed.

He said it is also clear that the Pakistan government is “very ambiguous in its commitment to help the United States in the war on terror.” Islamabad was committed but “within the confines of its own national interest.” There were many things it could do to help but it was not doing them because that would be detrimental to the present government’s interest. He said Pakistan wants security and assurances. According to him, every Al Qaeda leader picked up in Pakistan was because of CIA-provided information. He said Pakistan wants the United States to stay in Afghanistan and a long-term commitment by Washington to Islamabad, as Pakistan wants to be a long-term ally of the United States. It wants the same deal that the United States is offering India. He emphasised the need of engaging the Pakistani public and giving Pakistan what it wants.

Debat, turning to India-Pakistan relations, said that both countries and the United States have a common interest in the economic development of the region. “And that’s one of Musharraf’s main strengths is that he has put economic development on top of his priorities,” he added. He said the settlement of the Kashmir issue was essential. According to him, “We absolutely need to resolve the Kashmir issue. There’s a peace process now. From past experience the Pakistani and especially the Indian foreign policy bureaucracies have been able to drag this process for year and years and years and years without any significant progress. We need to bring India and Pakistan together in the same interest.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alzawahiri; elvisbinladen; pakistan; zawahiri; zawahri
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1 posted on 07/13/2005 9:23:56 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Straight Vermonter

Interesting not bin Laden? What does that mean?


2 posted on 07/13/2005 9:25:10 PM PDT by bnelson44 (A proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: swarthyguy

ping.


3 posted on 07/13/2005 9:26:48 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: AdmSmith; Cap Huff; Coop; Dog; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ganeshpuri89; Boot Hill; Snapple; ...

Lots of interesting items in this article.


4 posted on 07/13/2005 9:27:03 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 51-58)
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To: Straight Vermonter
“very clear, non-institutional but very clear link between Jamaat-i-Islami all the way down to Al Qaeda.”

ISLAM.

5 posted on 07/13/2005 9:34:06 PM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy" fills this space)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Interesting piece I saw last night on the History Channel about the war on terrorism that just came out (because at the end it even included a segment on the homicide bombings in London). It had some interesting info on Pakistan. Catch it if you can.

The upshot of it with regard to Pakistan was that Musharraf is cooperating as much as he dare with the U.S., because he must walk a fine line to stay in power, due to the fact that there is much sympathy amongst the very large mooslim population in Pakistan to Osama bin Hidin' (if he's still alive), al Zawharri (sp?), and the rest of al Queda.

6 posted on 07/13/2005 9:36:27 PM PDT by Babu
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks for the article and the ping.

I am sure this will make Musharraf even more serious about eliminating Al Qaeda.


7 posted on 07/13/2005 9:37:10 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Straight Vermonter

Interesting stuff.


8 posted on 07/13/2005 9:42:07 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: bnelson44

There are layers in this story like the layers of an onion. For example, AZ is a Palestinian, a fact never mentioned in any media articles. Jordan is Palestine. Transjordan was created for the purpose of providing a State for the "Arabs of Palestine", and indeed 90% of its population are Palestinians.


9 posted on 07/13/2005 10:07:31 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
It wants the same deal that the United States is offering India. He emphasised the need of engaging the Pakistani public and giving Pakistan what it wants.

Here's the Bon Mot in this whole piece: Pakistan wants the kind of aid we are plowing into India.

Anyone who has read about the al-Qaeda-ISI connection to the Daniel Pearl execution needs to understand that the Pakistani government should be held at an arm's length, and even then, we should prepare ourselves for this next inevitable front in the War on Terrorism.

The War on Terrorism means the regime change in several hostile countries. Pakistan is one of them, despite Musharaff's pathetic offerings.

10 posted on 07/13/2005 10:11:05 PM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: Straight Vermonter
the US carried out precision strikes on certain compounds in both North and South Waziristan, but the “Pakistani military doesn’t like to acknowledge that fact.

Well, or course not, since they have been denying that Bin Laden is in Pakistan for 2 years now. The "discoveries" of the video lab in Waziristan pretty much puts the lie to that.

11 posted on 07/13/2005 10:23:30 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Straight Vermonter

Maybe these US strikes made things a little hotter for bin laden!

I hope he gets a little prep course for hell!


12 posted on 07/14/2005 12:37:58 AM PDT by GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos (Peace on earth! After major whup-a$$)
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To: bnelson44
"Interesting not bin Laden? What does that mean?"

Zawahiri is Osama's right-hand man, and essentially the chief executive officer for Al Qaeda, with Osama as chairman of the board.

Orders from Zawahiri can be considered orders from the top.

13 posted on 07/14/2005 1:05:52 AM PDT by Majic (Coincidence isnít.)
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To: jeffers; Cap Huff; Coop; nuconvert; Boot Hill
In a raid in June 2004 in the Shakai Valley, the military discovered Al Qaeda’s operational headquarters in Pakistan. Not only were lots of weapons found but also extensive video equipment. There was also a location where a lot of propaganda was produced, filmed and cut, and dozens of computers. Also found were CD-ROMs and tapes that are distributed throughout the tribal areas and the Gulf.

We speculated there was something big going on in the Shakai Valley when this raid took place.

I'll speculate AGAIN....the video equipment was no doubt used to make the Zawahiri and Binny tapes.

14 posted on 07/14/2005 3:37:50 AM PDT by Dog
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To: bnelson44

I think it means what a bunch of us have been saying for a couple of years...bin Laden is worm food in the bottom of a collapsed cave in Tora Bora!


15 posted on 07/14/2005 3:46:44 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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To: Senator Goldwater

There was an article in the WSJ this morning noting that if the London terrorists are found to have trained in Pakistan - and it appears that at least one of them did - the US is going to have to rethink its policies towards Pakistan, because Musharref had assured us that these madrassas were being closely watched, did not promote violence, etc.

I realize that Musahrref has to walk a fine line and probably does not even have the ability to clean up all the terrorists there. But it does seem as though way too much AQ activity is emanating from Pakistan, and I hope we are not foolish enough to go ahead with the military weapons deal we were offering them a few days ago.


16 posted on 07/14/2005 3:52:48 AM PDT by livius
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To: Straight Vermonter

Thanks for the ping SV. From what I understand, many in Musharraf's military want him out of the way. If that happens, we would have a nuclear armed Islamic state to deal with.

That would put nukes in the hands of the terrorists. I remember Rice saying something to the effect the Pentagon has plans to secure those nukes in that event.


17 posted on 07/14/2005 4:28:08 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Islam is a death cult. Mohammad was an insane, war mongering, ignorant pedophile!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Pakistan wants security and assurances. According to him, every Al Qaeda leader picked up in Pakistan was because of CIA-provided information. He said Pakistan wants the United States to stay in Afghanistan and a long-term commitment by Washington to Islamabad, as Pakistan wants to be a long-term ally of the United States. It wants the same deal that the United States is offering India. He emphasised the need of engaging the Pakistani public and giving Pakistan what it wants.

I don't know exactly what the deal is with India, but Karzai desperately wants US bases in Afghanistan and I don't know why we don't make the commitment to it -- except lack of strategic value?

18 posted on 07/14/2005 6:13:39 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: bnelson44; ASA Vet
Interesting not bin Laden? What does that mean?

ASA......could it be EBL is dead..........NAH.

19 posted on 07/14/2005 7:15:15 AM PDT by Dog ( Is Joe Wilson is just a character Rove created?)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Fascinating stuff. I'd expect some of this stuff, such as the 300+ supposedly killed in precision strikes in Pakistan, to make the mainstream news.


20 posted on 07/14/2005 7:19:07 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: American in Israel
For example, AZ is a Palestinian, a fact never mentioned in any media articles.

Where'd you get that from? I thought he was Egyptian.

21 posted on 07/14/2005 7:20:35 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: livius
I remember reading an article in Readers Digest a few years ago about the schools in Pakistan for young orphan boys. They were funded by wealthy Saudis and taught extreme anti west propaganda. The RD reporter who was in Pakistan researching for the story said there were thousands of those schools operating in Pakistan. It's going to take a while to run all these indoctrinated individuals through the "War on Terror" purge machine.

Pakistan's Jihad Factories

22 posted on 07/14/2005 7:22:16 AM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Redleg Duke
I think it means what a bunch of us have been saying for a couple of years...bin Laden is worm food in the bottom of a collapsed cave in Tora Bora!

Wishful thinking.

23 posted on 07/14/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Coop; ASA Vet

Easy there Coop...ASA may be reading..:-)


24 posted on 07/14/2005 7:24:11 AM PDT by Dog ( Is Joe Wilson is just a character Rove created?)
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To: Dog
propaganda was produced, filmed and cut, and dozens of computers

What would Al Qaeda be doing with computers in a video lab?


25 posted on 07/14/2005 8:18:50 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Boycott all stupid tag lines.)
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To: Dog
ASA may be reading

You think I hang out here all the time?

Guilty as charged sir.

26 posted on 07/14/2005 8:20:36 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Boycott all stupid tag lines.)
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To: Peach

Ping. Torrent of press out of the subcontinent this morning.


27 posted on 07/14/2005 8:26:24 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Straight Vermonter; ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; CyberAnt; nothingnew; Cornpone; ...
Very informative article. Great post.

Thanks, vermonter!

Char :)

28 posted on 07/14/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: dynoman
They were funded by wealthy Saudis and taught extreme anti west propaganda.

Yes, they're still operating, even though Mushareff claims to have shut a number of them down.

29 posted on 07/14/2005 8:32:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: CHARLITE

thanks for the ping


30 posted on 07/14/2005 8:55:48 AM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: oceanview

>>the entire country as a base for Al Qaeda

No s**t, Sherlock.

And Zawahiri in Peshawar, of course, no caves for these guys, they are welcomed and treated as Islami heroes by their protectors. Another myth gone, of hiding in dirty caves.

And article shows how AQ has devolved subcontracted out to the the various Pak Jihad groups.

Now we see the fruits of that in London.

How much more bloody fruit will we tolerate.


31 posted on 07/14/2005 9:50:55 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Redleg Duke
I think it means what a bunch of us have been saying for a couple of years...bin Laden is worm food in the bottom of a collapsed cave in Tora Bora!

Nope - Try again - UBL is very much alive - (but hopefully this winter will be his last)

32 posted on 07/14/2005 12:08:32 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: swarthyguy
How much more bloody fruit will we tolerate.

Tell us? How much more will India allow?

33 posted on 07/14/2005 12:09:21 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

You funny. You've changed. Now America wants India's permission? Goodness gracious me.






34 posted on 07/14/2005 12:18:10 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
How much more bloody fruit will we tolerate.

Nope, try again - You keep posting as if you are speaking for America - But you don't, you speak for India -

So tell us, how much more bloody fruit will India tolerate - (We here in America are leading the GWOT! - What are you guys doing? expect whining like a small 3rd World Nation that we (America) aren't doing enough!) -

35 posted on 07/14/2005 12:23:52 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Shut up. You don't know squat and you masquerade as some type of expert with secret holy classified info, pretending you're in with people who know.

Then you popup with some comment to me about India, with the previous posts and thread topic related to Zawahiri.

Then you lecture me on on who I am.

Not to mention threatening FRMails full of bravado, threatening violence by stating macho BS like "time and place buddy".

Keep leading the GWOT. It's working swimmingly, sweetie.

Found Osama yet? Oh, it's this winter now, eh. Nice long lead time.


36 posted on 07/14/2005 12:29:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Shut up. You don't know squat and you masquerade as some type of expert with secret holy classified info, pretending you're in with people who know. Then you popup with some comment to me about India, with the previous posts and thread topic related to Zawahiri. Then you lecture me on on who I am. Not to mention threatening FRMails full of bravado, threatening violence by stating macho BS like "time and place buddy". Keep leading the GWOT. It's working swimmingly, sweetie. Found Osama yet? Oh, it's this winter now, eh. Nice long lead time.

Nuff said (with regard to you and your comments here on FR) - Again, we (America) will lead the GWOT with real results - You will stay a third world rate Nation and cry because you want more HELP from us continually -

The bottom line is you are continually critical of American efforts in the GWOT and you try and post as if you are speaking for America - but your frustration stems from your Nation's (India) lack of any results in the GWOT and further frustration that Pakistan has done far more than India in this GWOT -

As for UBL we'll get'em (just as we have to over 3/4 of al Qeade leadership - as well as thousands of al Qeade and Taliban foot soldiers) -

37 posted on 07/14/2005 12:52:20 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

But again, despite your cheap shot insults at me,

Osama and Zawahiri are still alive and free.

Tell me again how great the GWOT(!) is going.

Words, words, empty words, bluster and bravado, bragging and showboating, signifying nothing.

Dead or Alive, indeed. Alive, alive, alive Inshallah.


38 posted on 07/14/2005 1:16:28 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: lugsoul

Thanks for the ping; will read later tonight, lugsoul.


39 posted on 07/14/2005 1:19:23 PM PDT by Peach
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To: swarthyguy
But again, despite your cheap shot insults at me, Osama and Zawahiri are still alive and free. Tell me again how great the GWOT(!) is going. Words, words, empty words, bluster and bravado, bragging and showboating, signifying nothing. Dead or Alive, indeed. Alive, alive, alive Inshallah.

Yep, they are still alive but 3/4 of their fellow leadership is either DEAD or captured. They are also ekking out a survival in the Afghan / PAK border region and hardly control anything more than where they sleep -

We have removed the Taliban from power, we have removed Saddam from power, freedom and self-worth are spreading in a region of the World that for far to long has denied their citizens either!

Freedom and self-worth are spreading because of our (America) successes in the GWOT - The GWOT is much larger than simply UBL or Zawahiri....but we are still going to kill them one of these days.

And again, You will remain nothing more than a 3rd rate Nation who continues on and begs for continued help and support from America (all the while suggesting we aren't doing enough! - Please). Now go answer some phones.

40 posted on 07/14/2005 1:29:26 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

>>You will remain nothing more than a 3rd rate Nation who continues on and begs for continued help and support from America (all the while suggesting we aren't doing enough! - Please). Now go answer some phones.

Chronic constipation is terrible.


41 posted on 07/14/2005 1:34:49 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Chronic constipation is terrible.

So is chronic complaints that another Nation you rely on (America) is never doing enough! or doesn't know what it is doing, or isn't' winning or can't find UBL, etc, etc, etc.

Again, you don't have a clue about the GWOT. You don't have a clue about what America is doing, all you have is complaints and ugly words for Pakistan (because your Nation can't even deal with them...without our help).

42 posted on 07/14/2005 1:54:11 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

>>Again, you don't have a clue about the GWOT

Looks like I've got a lot of company.




43 posted on 07/14/2005 1:56:55 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Looks like I've got a lot of company.

The first accurate comment I think you have ever made -

44 posted on 07/14/2005 1:59:08 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Thanks for agreeing with me about that.

Didn't think you'd be open minded enough to admit that the USG protecting jihadi financiers and trainers, the Saudis and the Pakis would be met with your agreement.

Good for you, scamp.


45 posted on 07/14/2005 2:02:12 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Straight Vermonter
Interesting. The best chance for prosperity for that region is for Pakistan and India to work together. That will not, and can not happen until the terrorists are eliminated. Once that is done, I can see the two countries establishing trade and economic ties.

India would have to be nuts to establish much of anything until the terrorists are taken out.

46 posted on 07/14/2005 2:16:36 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: American in Israel

This is Zawahiri (Bin Laden's Egyptian friend) not Zarquawi (the Jordanian terrorist)


47 posted on 07/14/2005 2:18:27 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: American in Israel

I thought Zawahiri was Egyptian. Are you thinking of Zarqawi, who is from Jordan?


48 posted on 07/14/2005 8:00:51 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: ellery

Oh darn! You got me!


49 posted on 07/14/2005 10:21:27 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ellery

Funny, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi are our best friends, right? I guess you have to get close to insert the knife in someones back.


50 posted on 07/14/2005 10:22:40 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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