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Rove Did Leak Classified Information
The Nation ^ | 7/13/05 | David Corn

Posted on 07/13/2005 10:33:50 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: flashbunny

Why would Rove have or need access to classified material in the first place?


51 posted on 07/14/2005 12:04:07 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: FreedomCalls

BINGO!

Corn was not concerned for the same reason the ACLU, which goes apes*it if they see a Bible or a cricifix on public property (unless it's dipped in urine), has no problem with us handing out Korans at Gitmo.

No principle. Just politics.


52 posted on 07/14/2005 12:04:31 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: goldstategop

Agreed! See my post 52.


53 posted on 07/14/2005 12:05:35 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Crackingham

Hmmmmm? Poor David - I guess he didn't notice that Robert Novak wrote his article with Valerie's name in it - PRIOR TO THE CONVERSATION ROVE HAD WITH COOPER.

Or .. David didn't happen to see that Wilson put his own wife's name on his website.

Vaalerie was not an operative (or covered agent) - she was an analyst.

DON'T ANY OF THESE MEDIA PEOPLE EVER GET THEIR INFORMATION CORRECT.


54 posted on 07/14/2005 12:06:12 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: commonasdirt

The space shuttle? That is truly mentally sick. I wish that kind of thinking was rare, but it is not. It appears to be fairly acceptable in many Democrat quarters. (Remember Howard Dean's comments about 9/11?)

These people prove over and over that they cannot be trusted with the powers of government.


55 posted on 07/14/2005 12:08:06 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: FreedomCalls
Real quick, what is the purpose of an amicus brief? and, what does amici curiae and en banc mean? (damn lawyerspeak)
56 posted on 07/14/2005 12:15:32 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Crackingham
Here's what Corn wrote about the Sandy Berger affair:

Two recent examples show how reckless and vicious GOPers can get. When the news broke weeks ago that former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger had removed classified documents related to terrorism and notes from a secured viewing room at the National Archives, leading Republicans and conservative commentators—including House Speaker Denny Hastert and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay—went berserk. With little information available about what Berger had done—he claimed he had taken papers out with him by accident and returned most of them later—they accused Berger of stuffing documents down his pants and suggested he had swiped documents to cover up misdeeds or mistakes committed by the Clinton administration and to prevent the 9/11 Commission from finding out truths that would trouble or embarrass the Clinton gang.

But days ago, The Wall Street Journal reported, “Officials looking into the removal of classified documents from the National Archives by former Clinton National Security Adviser Samuel Berger say no original materials are missing and nothing Mr. Berger reviewed was withheld from the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks….The conclusion by archives officials and others would seem to lay to rest the issue of whether any information was permanently destroyed or withheld from the commission.” This, of course, doesn’t explain what actually happened, but it does take the fizz out of attacks initiated by Republicans before the facts were in.

What's sauce for the goose ....

57 posted on 07/14/2005 12:18:41 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Crackingham
NEWT GINGRICH DEBUNKS PLAMEGATE HOAX
Calls Rove Accuser Joe Wilson a Liar on NBC Today

By Richard Poe @ Wednesday 13 July 2005, 5:23 pm
http://moonbatcentral.com/wordpress/?p=692


On this morning’s NBC Today show, former House Speaker
Newt Gingrich lashed into Plamegate hoaxster Joe Wilson,
whose phony allegations against Bush advisor Karl Rove are
rapidly falling apart at the seams. Wilson accused Rove
of revealing the name of Wilson’s CIA wife — thus
allegedly blowing her cover — in retaliation for a report
Wilson had written which supposedly undermined White House
claims that Saddam Hussein was trying to obtain uranium
ore from Niger.


Now we know that Wilson is a hoaxster. His wife was not a
covert agent during the period in question, her identity
was not secret, and Rove never divulged it. The Bush
White House did not authorize Wilson’s mission to Niger,
as Wilson previously claimed. Even worse, Wilson’s
conclusions on Niger were baseless and wrong. He sought
to lull Americans into believing that Iraq was not trying
to obtain uranium ore from Niger, when in fact reliable
evidence shows Iraq was doing just that. Newt Gingrich
told Katie Kouric this morning:

"[Joe Wilson] Lied to the country about who got him the
job. The Senate Intelligence Committee is scathing about
that. He lied to the country about his own conclusions.
The Senate Intelligence Committee Report repudiates him on
that. … It turns out in retrospect he had been talking to
the Kerry campaign for months. He was a contributor to
Kerry and he was essentially a Kerry supporter … his book
title is The Politics Of Truth and yet the Senate
Intelligence Committee said that Wilson specifically was
using falsehoods on 3 or 4 occasions …"

Watch the video here.
http://treyjackson.net/files/Newt713.wmv
For more on the rapidly distintegrating Plamegate hoax,
see Byron York’s piece in today’s National Review Online,
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200507121626.asp

which explains how Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper
set up Rove for what amounts to a journalistic frame-up.
Cooper, by the way, is married to Hillary operative Mandy
Grunwald —
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/10429/

a close confidante of the junior senator from New
York. "Hillary Clinton even threw Grunwald a baby shower
at the White House in July 1998. At the time, Cooper was
covering presidential politics for Newsweek," reports
NewsMax.com.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/27/114029.shtml
58 posted on 07/14/2005 12:19:31 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: cport
Real quick, what is the purpose of an amicus brief? and, what does amici curiae and en banc mean?

An amicus brief is an opinion filed during a trial by someone who is not a party to the litigation, but who believes that the court's decision may affect its interest. Amicus means "friend," so amici curiae is plural for "friend of the court." En banc means "full bench" and is when all the members of an appellate court are there to hear an argument, not just the three judges who normally preside over an appellate case.

59 posted on 07/14/2005 12:32:34 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Good catch!


60 posted on 07/14/2005 12:33:13 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Crackingham
aided by its echo-ists in the conservative media

LOL!

61 posted on 07/14/2005 12:35:55 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Crackingham

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx HEADQUATERS
62 posted on 07/14/2005 12:39:52 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: commonasdirt
True. Reading DU heavily and it is just about all Rove all the time. More than just every other posting. The left is really hanging its hopes on this. I swear to God I read a posting regarding the cancellation of the shiuttle flight and the poster was glad it was cancelled because she was afraid the administration would blow up the shuttle to divert attention from the Rove issue.

OMG!

63 posted on 07/14/2005 12:40:56 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: FreedomCalls

Thank you very much. That makes sense. So the parties of this brief are trying to convince the appeals court to have an en banc hearing of the need for contempt charges based on the fact that Rove didn't break the law, no need for an investigation, so no need to reveal a source, boom! contempt charges dropped..is that kinda the idea?


64 posted on 07/14/2005 12:41:59 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Waco
I leaked my Aunt Mabel's iced tea recipe...

Ah! A cold drop, no doubt.
65 posted on 07/14/2005 12:43:26 AM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Echo Talon

"OMG!"

My thoughts exactly Echo Talon. Believe it. S**T like that I could not make up in a million years. I try to keep in mind that they do not represent anything like the average Dem....if they did I would be Very Very afraid.


66 posted on 07/14/2005 12:46:04 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: commonasdirt
Now thats actually scary! These people do not need to be in a position of power! SHEESH!
67 posted on 07/14/2005 12:48:19 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: okie01
Under the circumstances, there is no reason to believe that Plame any longer held "covert status". And, even if she did, there is no reason to believe that Rove would've known of it. Intelligence wasn't his job. And Tennant had obviously not alerted the White House with regard to any "covert status" for Plame when he told them it was "Wilson's wife, who works in CPD" who had recommended Wilson for the trip.

I'd like to know who told Rove what he told Cooper? And why did Rove tell Cooper? And before the moonbats flame me for not being "on the correct talking points". No, I'm not a sicko commie spy from DU.

68 posted on 07/14/2005 12:50:56 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Crackingham
The White House may be stonewalling on the Rove scandal.....

I was listening to Limbaugh today and he played audio were more than a few MSM talking heads said the White House was stonewalling this thing. Glad to see that this reporter got the talking points memo [sarcasm]...

69 posted on 07/14/2005 1:13:39 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: oc311
"And dont worry because its been a long time coming for this Wilson prick and I cant wait for the sequal 'The White House Strikes Back' Wilson is going down. I just have this gut feeling."

I can't wait either. Wilson has to go down for that bullcrap story he came up with. This Corn guy was shooting his mouth off about this from the very beginning if I recall correctly. He's just another lefty nut case. It's all going to come tumbling down on the Democrats shortly, and then the weasles will cry about Rove and how cunning he was setting this all up. Then yhey will quickly find something else to cry about and sweep this failed Democrat dirty politic scandel under the carpet.

70 posted on 07/14/2005 1:30:06 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: oc311

I don't understand why this grand jury,what is it's purpose?


71 posted on 07/14/2005 1:32:01 AM PDT by patriciamary
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To: commonasdirt
"Reading DU heavily and it is just about all Rove all the time."

Still? LoL! Last I looked, around election time, they were going on about Rove. He's the source of all their woes it seems. What a bunch of lunatics. What's really hilarious is the Democrat party acts on everything those moonbats at DU dream up.

72 posted on 07/14/2005 1:52:16 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Crackingham

Corn looks for a scandal next to any "R" that isn't named McLame or Shays. No biggie here. No crime, no foul.


73 posted on 07/14/2005 1:58:24 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: commonasdirt
My thoughts exactly Echo Talon. Believe it. S**T like that I could not make up in a million years. I try to keep in mind that they do not represent anything like the average Dem....if they did I would be Very Very afraid.

In that case, BE very very afraid, because the entire DemocRAT Party has been taken over by the rabid, America-hating leftist looney-fringe, just as Islam was taken over by radicals who don't truly represent the (laugh-chuckle-snort) "religion of peace".

The failure of mainline Democrats (if there are any left, with the notable exception of Zell Miller) to denounce and repudiate the seditionist sentiment that has infected the entire Party (I mean, what does it mean when HOWARD DEAN is the DNC Chairman?), the only conclusion that can be reached is that the once honorable Party of Truman, Scoop Jackson and Hubert Humphrey (a strong NRA member I might add) has been subverted and converted into an organization not unlike the CPUSA in it's heyday.

Oh yes, be very afraid my FRiend, the subversive group calling itself the "Democratic Party" is no friend of America, and it is no friend of freedom and liberty. It is dedicated to tearing our Nation down.
74 posted on 07/14/2005 2:18:27 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Psssst!! Joe Wilson = Valerie Plame's Pimp Daddy. Pass it on.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Last I looked, around election time, they were going on about Rove.

They have REALLY cranked it up a few notches since those days in November Nathan. They are practically having spontaneous emmissions over their keyboards over this. They now see this little non-event as the thing that will bring down the whole Bush administration. And they can rarely post a comment any longer that is not laced with obscenities. Something you do not see here too often I might add, even when we are talking about Bill or Hillary. I really do hope that they do not have the influence you mentioned them having. I love following them, but it can be difficult because unless you are a member you cannot search DU for articles/posts. And lets face it, just about everyone here is like me and would be banned after their first post as I was.


75 posted on 07/14/2005 2:20:26 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: Crackingham

The secret agent and the retired diplomat in their January 2004, Vanity Fair spread.

Undercover CIA agent Valerie Wilson (nee Plame) and her husband Joseph Wilson, retired (unemployed) diplomat, who was sent by the CIA (But not the Bush admistration.) at the suggestion of his own wife, to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq had tried to buy 'yellowcake' uranium.

76 posted on 07/14/2005 2:28:09 AM PDT by Daaave (Didn't you get the memo on that? I know I sent you one.)
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To: Mad Mammoth

"Truman, Scoop Jackson and Hubert Humphrey"

They are spinning in their graves like Dervishes Mad Mammoth. I would bet that all three of them be a Republicans if they suddenly & magically returned now.


77 posted on 07/14/2005 2:28:33 AM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: Darkwolf377
That's the perfect illustration of the libs standing around, scratching their heads and trying to get this damned conspiracy to start.

I think they're scratching something closer to their brains.

78 posted on 07/14/2005 3:25:36 AM PDT by Erasmus ("The best-laid men gang oft a-gley." --Robt. Burns)
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To: Crackingham
Actually, you could pick up Valerie Plame's inquiries to a Russian and a Ukrainian genealogical website long before this story.

She used to surf the web trying to find out if there were anymore Plame family members about.

Not sure if she did that at work or at home.

She did her inquiries in her own name too ~ nothing undercover about it.

79 posted on 07/14/2005 3:26:40 AM PDT by muawiyah (/sarcasm and invective)
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To: kcvl
It's only David Corn. The snake lives under a rock so just ignore him.

Really! David Corn would sell his own mother if it would help democrats gain asvantage. If there's one thing Corn has proven in spades, it's that he's first and formost a liberal dem partisan.

80 posted on 07/14/2005 3:31:50 AM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: Crackingham
(A Google search at the time would have yielded the name--and maiden name--of Wilson's wife.)
And which website would it have been obtained from? Perhaps from Mr. Wilson's own website?

Oh, you simply MUST tell us David. Stop leading us on and tempting us you wicked, wicked man! /faux elite sophisticate

81 posted on 07/14/2005 3:34:51 AM PDT by philman_36 ("Itís a legal document, and legal documents do not change." Scalia)
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To: Crackingham
By disclosing Valerie Wilson's relationship to the CIA, Rove was passing classified information to a reporter.
At least he wasn't stuffing Valerie down his pants. /Berger impression
82 posted on 07/14/2005 3:37:00 AM PDT by philman_36 ("Itís a legal document, and legal documents do not change." Scalia)
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To: papertyger
Is there anything better than watching frustrated leftists pull the cord on a mower that won't start, only to have another step in saying "here, let me try?"

A great "Joe Sixpack" analogy. And it fits perfectly.

83 posted on 07/14/2005 3:43:57 AM PDT by Bullish (Proudly and consistently hating the Clinton's since 1992)
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To: papertyger

"Is there anything better than watching frustrated leftists pull the cord on a mower that won't start, only to have another step in saying "here, let me try?""

LOL Good one. No, there is nothing better.


84 posted on 07/14/2005 3:49:21 AM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: Daaave
The secret agent and the retired diplomat in their January 2004, Vanity Fair spread.

A vanity Fair article in 2004 that identifies Plame as an operative in 2004? LOL! Is this for real?

Now that Corn has convinced us of his deeply-held feelings about protecting 'classified' information and the CIA- can we now expect him, as a reasoning, consistent and honorable man, to go after Vanity Fair with the same enthusiasm?

/multiple sarcasms

85 posted on 07/14/2005 3:59:27 AM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: Riley
A vanity Fair article in 2004 that identifies Plame as an operative in 2004?

Gah. Five yard penalty for redundancy. That's what happens when you're holding an eye open with one hand, swilling coffee with the other, and typing with your nose.

86 posted on 07/14/2005 4:08:33 AM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: Crackingham
The Intelligence Identities Protection Act makes it a crime to identify "a covert agent"

They forgot the "intentionally" part.

Honest mistake, I'm sure.

87 posted on 07/14/2005 4:14:19 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
According to Brit Hume last night, Karls lawyer has stated that it was actually a reporter that told Karl (no idea who told the reporter), and the reason he told Cooper was not to "out" Plame, but to warn Cooper to not print an untrue story about VP Cheney sending Wilson to Niger.
88 posted on 07/14/2005 5:17:08 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: McGavin999; Crackingham
Uh, I guess nobody noticed her driving her flashy convertable into the parking lot at Langley ever day.

Just like nobody on the left and the dumb a**'s at du, seem to notice that old Val who has been flying a desk for the last ten years was outed by Aldrich Ames during the slick willie administration.

89 posted on 07/14/2005 6:37:52 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: EERinOK
You could get the fact that Valerie Plame was Joe Wilson's wife from a Google search.

You couldn't get the fact that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA from a Google search.

Thus, if someone told you that Joe Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, it is then easy to determine that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA, and that her fake employer, Brewster Jennings, was a CIA 'front', and thus that anyone else who worked at Brewster Jennings was with the Agency.

So maybe you are missing something.

90 posted on 07/14/2005 6:42:20 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
"since according to Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC it was pretty much known before all this Rove stuff among the Washington press corp that Wilson's wifey worked at the CIA what's all the crap about Rove mentioning it?"

Good question - if it was 'pretty much known among the Washington press corp," why didn't Novak know it? Or Cooper? Or Miller? Or Rove, for that matter?

91 posted on 07/14/2005 6:43:55 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Crackingham
Plame was not a covert agent. She had not been covert for nine years as she was outed by Aldrich Ames prior to 1994 and then again by the Cubans. She was assigned a desk job as an analyst at that time for her own safety.

The identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame was compromised twice before her name appeared in a news column that triggered a federal illegal-disclosure investigation, U.S. officials say.

Mrs. Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a Moscow spy, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. In a second compromise, officials said a more recent inadvertent disclosure resulted in references to Mrs. Plame in confidential documents sent by the CIA to the U.S. Interests Section of the Swiss Embassy in Havana.

The documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them, the officials said.

Washington Times

She would have had to have been covert in the last five years for Rove to have broken the law, per former Assistant Deputy Attorney General Victoria Toensing, who helped draft the 1982 law in question.

For Plame's outing to have been illegal, the one-time deputy AG explained, "her status as undercover must be classified." Also, Plame "must have been assigned to duty outside the United States currently or in the past five years."

92 posted on 07/14/2005 6:45:57 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: oc311
Brit Hume said tonight the word from the Rove camp is that Rove learned where Joe Wilson's wife worked because a reporter told him

Fits right in with this speculation...

Something doesn't add up about why Judith Miller went to jail. The New York Times reporter didn't write a story about the Valerie Plame case and had a waiver from her source in order to talk about it to the grand jury. But she insisted on going to jail anyway. Speculation is mounting that Miller is protecting herself, that Miller was herself a source of information about Plame that made it to several Bush administration officials and was then recycled to columnist Robert Novak. He, then, disclosed Plame's employment by the CIA and her role in arranging for her husband Joe Wilson's mission to Africa to investigate the Iraq-uranium link.

This would help explain why Miller didn't write a story about the case. It would be difficult for Miller to write a story when she was so deeply involved in how it developed. Disclosure of her role then or now would be extremely embarrassing.

She could be the key to exonerating Bush administration officials of possible violations of the law against knowingly disclosing the identities of covert intelligence agents. If they were simply passing along information from Miller or some other journalist about Joseph Wilson's wife, then they can't be accused of deliberately disclosing classified information about Plame's identity.

The more likely explanation is that Miller is protecting private discussions with administration officials, and that during those discussions she provided or confirmed information about Plame's identity. This would make sense. Both Miller and Plame covered the subject of weapons of mass destruction and it was likely that they knew one another, or at least were aware of each other's work in this field.

Source


93 posted on 07/14/2005 6:49:31 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: commonasdirt
"Truman, Scoop Jackson and Hubert Humphrey"
They are spinning in their graves like Dervishes Mad Mammoth. I would bet that all three of them be a Republicans if they suddenly & magically returned now.


They were men of principle, and although I never agreed with all of their positions (although I pretty much endorsed everything Henry 'Scoop' Jackson believed in), they were three Democrats who still believed in that concept of "politics stopping at the water's edge". Unlike today's crop of seditionist 'Rats.

I agree with you that it is likely they would be Republicans today (with the possible exception of Truman, who had no love lost for the GOP, he might have just become an Independent), people forget sometimes that our late 40th President Ronald Reagan began his political life as a Democrat himself, and as he liked to say "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, they left me.", and it is the Democratic Party that has left America en toto.
94 posted on 07/14/2005 6:54:59 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Psssst!! Joe Wilson = Valerie Plame's Pimp Daddy. Pass it on.)
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To: Echo Talon; commonasdirt

But don't ya know...NASA is part of the Illuminati! < /DU Mode>


95 posted on 07/14/2005 6:55:53 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Mad Mammoth

A must read on this topic is Ann Coulters column (at her web site) this week.


96 posted on 07/14/2005 6:58:22 AM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

See #93...it is highly probable that it was Miller, that is why she is still in jail, she is protecting HERSELF from prosecution.


97 posted on 07/14/2005 6:59:02 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: CyberAnt
I guess he didn't notice that Robert Novak wrote his article with Valerie's name in it - PRIOR TO THE CONVERSATION ROVE HAD WITH COOPER.

Do you have a link for this info? I'd like to add it to my file.

98 posted on 07/14/2005 6:59:58 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Crackingham

The Nation needs to re-read the law. Mrs. Wislon was not undercover.


99 posted on 07/14/2005 7:01:08 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Crackingham

Typical of "The Nation."


100 posted on 07/14/2005 7:02:40 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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