Skip to comments.The Plame Game
Posted on 07/14/2005 2:13:40 AM PDT by kcvl
Security Leaks: Seems that talking to reporters is OK if you're Deep Throat or a Democratic congressman at war with the CIA. But if you're the guy who helped get George W. Bush elected twice, you're a criminal.
John Kerry, with Hillary Clinton nodding at his side, said that "Karl Rove ought to be fired" after the disclosure that Rove, in an e-mail to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July 2003, said a trip that former Ambassador Joe Wilson took to Niger for the CIA was arranged by "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency." He didn't provide her name.
This was said to be retaliation for Wilson's claim in a New York Times op-ed piece after the trip that Bush lied in his State of the Union speech that British intelligence had learned Saddam operatives were trying to buy yellowcake uranium in Africa. Wilson also made three appearances on NBC's "Meet The Press."
Wilson, a Democrat who worked in the National Security Council under President Clinton, is a physician in need of healing himself when it comes to truth-telling.
On July 9, 2004, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the CIA's prewar intelligence on Iraq. The report concluded Wilson lied when he denied his wife got him the Niger assignment. The report also said Wilson lied when he told The Washington Post he knew the Niger intelligence had been based on forged documents. The CIA didn't obtain the document said to be a forgery until eight months after Wilson returned from Niger.
On July 14, 2003, Robert Novak wrote a column naming Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA employee. Novak did not name his source, but Wilson accused Rove, swearing that he would see Rove led out of the White House in "handcuffs."
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To put it another way, if Rove had told Cooper that Wilson's wife arranged the trip in her capacity at the CIA, would Cooper have said "apparently"? Or would he have written the Wilson's wife used her position at CIA to arrange the mission for her husband? OTOH, maybe Rove had heard that Plame worked for CIA through other channels, so Rove said "apparently" himself. But if this is true, even if all of the other conditions are met, the revelation is not criminal because the information was obtained in a game of spot the spook, and not from a classified source.
What Karl Rove told Time magazine's reporter.
By Michael Isikoff
July 18 issue - It was 11:07 on a Friday morning, July 11, 2003, and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper was tapping out an e-mail to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy. "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.
In a brief conversation with Rove, Cooper asked what to make of the flap over Wilson's criticisms. NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"CIA Director George Tenetor Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger ... "
Hanoi John is still trying the Im anyone but Bush strategy. I hope he sticks with it and fails again.
Then again, if he runs as Hanoi John and We, The People (all of us, libs included) learn what he really is hes guaranteed to fail.
If this was not a recorded phone conversation between Cooper and Rove, then it is only he said, he said anyway.
The whole thing is much ado about nothing.
Three yo's behave better than the Dems.
I'm sure Cooper adds: "To the best of my recollection" to every testimony statement.
I can't believe this !!! John Kerry outted an agent back in april who was under cover and had served abroad , which meets the requirements to prosecute . But not one word of this is mentioned as Kerry his band of disfunctionals attempt to ouster the honorable Karl Rove . And Kerry actually gave the name of the agent , who had been under cover , and had served abroad as the statute for prosecution requires . So, Justice Dept. go get him after you are finished wasting your time on the very weak ROVE case .
The public doesn't care about this case. They're watching dancing competitions on tv. IMO nothing will happen to Karl Rove unless this prosecutor has a vendetta against him.
BTW, Byron York says that Rove did not call Cooper, Cooper called York about another matter, health care, and then turned the discussion to the Wilson/yellowcake matter.
The words "who apparently works at the agency" appear to be Cooper's words, not Rove's. Plame's employment with the CIA was common knowledge in DC. That Cooper used the word "apparently" indicates he possibly drew that conclusion on his own.
Either way, referring to her as employed by the CIA is not the same as outing her as a covert operative.
Source? I missed this one.
This is the key point that keeps getting glossed over. Even reporters who are not in the DNC tank can't seem to grasp this essential element of the story.
...once again...when the liberals start demanding and demeaning the Republican Party, that's the time to examine and investigate what they're hiding and why. Liberals doeth protest too much....
The more I read this quote, the less it seems like Rove is the one who said, "who apparently works the the agency on wmd". Big Boy is saying the Rove told him it was Wilson's wife. But, the "who apparently works" clause is possibly Cooper's conclusion. Maybe Rove only told Cooper that Wislons's wife sent him on the trip, and Cooper drew his own conclusion, evidenced by the use of the word "apparently".
Or maybe I've had too much caffeine this morning.
SOURCE : Sean Hannity , Gordon Liddy , Tom Marr
This happened on April 16 , just three monts ago .
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