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The Plame Game
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Posted on 07/14/2005 2:13:40 AM PDT by kcvl

Security Leaks: Seems that talking to reporters is OK if you're Deep Throat or a Democratic congressman at war with the CIA. But if you're the guy who helped get George W. Bush elected twice, you're a criminal.

John Kerry, with Hillary Clinton nodding at his side, said that "Karl Rove ought to be fired" after the disclosure that Rove, in an e-mail to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July 2003, said a trip that former Ambassador Joe Wilson took to Niger for the CIA was arranged by "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency." He didn't provide her name.

This was said to be retaliation for Wilson's claim in a New York Times op-ed piece after the trip that Bush lied in his State of the Union speech that British intelligence had learned Saddam operatives were trying to buy yellowcake uranium in Africa. Wilson also made three appearances on NBC's "Meet The Press."

Wilson, a Democrat who worked in the National Security Council under President Clinton, is a physician in need of healing himself when it comes to truth-telling.

On July 9, 2004, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the CIA's prewar intelligence on Iraq. The report concluded Wilson lied when he denied his wife got him the Niger assignment. The report also said Wilson lied when he told The Washington Post he knew the Niger intelligence had been based on forged documents. The CIA didn't obtain the document said to be a forgery until eight months after Wilson returned from Niger.

On July 14, 2003, Robert Novak wrote a column naming Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA employee. Novak did not name his source, but Wilson accused Rove, swearing that he would see Rove led out of the White House in "handcuffs."

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1 posted on 07/14/2005 2:13:40 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Of course, the author has it wrong on the Cooper e-mail. Rove's communication to Cooper was verbal. The e-mail was an account of that conversatioon from Cooper to Time Magazine. Amongst other things, the "apparently" indicates that Rove may not have mentioned the CIA at all. As many have said, Plame's employment at CIA was well known in Washington DC press circles.

To put it another way, if Rove had told Cooper that Wilson's wife arranged the trip in her capacity at the CIA, would Cooper have said "apparently"? Or would he have written the Wilson's wife used her position at CIA to arrange the mission for her husband? OTOH, maybe Rove had heard that Plame worked for CIA through other channels, so Rove said "apparently" himself. But if this is true, even if all of the other conditions are met, the revelation is not criminal because the information was obtained in a game of spot the spook, and not from a classified source.

2 posted on 07/14/2005 2:24:53 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: gridlock

What Karl Rove told Time magazine's reporter.

By Michael Isikoff
Newsweek

July 18 issue - It was 11:07 on a Friday morning, July 11, 2003, and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper was tapping out an e-mail to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy. "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.

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In a brief conversation with Rove, Cooper asked what to make of the flap over Wilson's criticisms. NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger ... "


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/page/2/


3 posted on 07/14/2005 2:36:38 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Hanoi John is still trying the “I’m anyone but Bush” strategy. I hope he sticks with it and fails again.
Then again, if he runs as Hanoi John and We, The People (all of us, libs included) learn what he really is he’s guaranteed to fail.


4 posted on 07/14/2005 3:04:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: piasa

ping


5 posted on 07/14/2005 3:11:01 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: kcvl

If this was not a recorded phone conversation between Cooper and Rove, then it is only he said, he said anyway.

The whole thing is much ado about nothing.

Three yo's behave better than the Dems.


6 posted on 07/14/2005 3:21:53 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: gridlock
The key word in all this issue is COVERT..NO one has ever truly clarified that Plame was a COVERT field agent. She was by all accounts a top level IN HOUSE ANALYST! There is a world of difference between a COVERT field agent and a IN HOUSE ANALYST! Then there is the issue of the 5 years. It had been <9 years since she'd been in the field.
7 posted on 07/14/2005 3:47:03 AM PDT by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: mariabush
If this was not a recorded phone conversation between Cooper and Rove, then it is only he said, he said anyway.

Yes.

8 posted on 07/14/2005 3:57:38 AM PDT by syriacus (Did one of Michael's girlfriends have a key to Terri's apartment? Did Lazy Bones McCabe ask anyone?)
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To: kcvl
In effect what Rove did was tell Cooper that they need to be careful because this pompous,grandstanding,hack was playing the press for fools,counting on them to spread his fabrications without investigation.
Rove turned out to be correct,without breaking any laws.Now the press is silent in his defense for the normal partisan reasons as well as having egg on their collective faces for lending credence to Wilsons ramblings.
9 posted on 07/14/2005 4:18:21 AM PDT by carlr
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To: mariabush

I'm sure Cooper adds: "To the best of my recollection" to every testimony statement.


10 posted on 07/14/2005 4:25:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: kcvl

I can't believe this !!! John Kerry outted an agent back in april who was under cover and had served abroad , which meets the requirements to prosecute . But not one word of this is mentioned as Kerry his band of disfunctionals attempt to ouster the honorable Karl Rove . And Kerry actually gave the name of the agent , who had been under cover , and had served abroad as the statute for prosecution requires . So, Justice Dept. go get him after you are finished wasting your time on the very weak ROVE case .


11 posted on 07/14/2005 4:29:33 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. ; ) Islam's Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: kcvl

The public doesn't care about this case. They're watching dancing competitions on tv. IMO nothing will happen to Karl Rove unless this prosecutor has a vendetta against him.


12 posted on 07/14/2005 4:44:59 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: kcvl

BTW, Byron York says that Rove did not call Cooper, Cooper called York about another matter, health care, and then turned the discussion to the Wilson/yellowcake matter.


13 posted on 07/14/2005 5:02:44 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: kcvl
John Kerry, with Hillary Clinton nodding at his side, said that "Karl Rove ought to be fired" after the disclosure that Rove, in an e-mail to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July 2003, said a trip that former Ambassador Joe Wilson took to Niger for the CIA was arranged by "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency." He didn't provide her name.

The words "who apparently works at the agency" appear to be Cooper's words, not Rove's. Plame's employment with the CIA was common knowledge in DC. That Cooper used the word "apparently" indicates he possibly drew that conclusion on his own.

Either way, referring to her as employed by the CIA is not the same as outing her as a covert operative.

14 posted on 07/14/2005 5:05:20 AM PDT by alnick
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To: lionheart 247365

Source? I missed this one.

Thanks!


15 posted on 07/14/2005 5:21:59 AM PDT by NonLinear ("If not instantaneous, then extraordinarily fast" - Galileo re. speed of light. circa 1600)
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To: GailA
The key word in all this issue is COVERT..NO one has ever truly clarified that Plame was a COVERT field agent. She was by all accounts a top level IN HOUSE ANALYST! There is a world of difference between a COVERT field agent and a IN HOUSE ANALYST! Then there is the issue of the 5 years. It had been <9 years since she'd been in the field.

This is the key point that keeps getting glossed over. Even reporters who are not in the DNC tank can't seem to grasp this essential element of the story.

16 posted on 07/14/2005 5:47:50 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck
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To: kcvl

...once again...when the liberals start demanding and demeaning the Republican Party, that's the time to examine and investigate what they're hiding and why. Liberals doeth protest too much....


17 posted on 07/14/2005 5:52:26 AM PDT by smiley
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To: kcvl
Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip."

The more I read this quote, the less it seems like Rove is the one who said, "who apparently works the the agency on wmd". Big Boy is saying the Rove told him it was Wilson's wife. But, the "who apparently works" clause is possibly Cooper's conclusion. Maybe Rove only told Cooper that Wislons's wife sent him on the trip, and Cooper drew his own conclusion, evidenced by the use of the word "apparently".

Or maybe I've had too much caffeine this morning.

18 posted on 07/14/2005 6:02:20 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: NonLinear

SOURCE : Sean Hannity , Gordon Liddy , Tom Marr

This happened on April 16 , just three monts ago .


19 posted on 07/14/2005 6:40:08 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. ; ) Islam's Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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