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Lies of omission: Howard Fineman on Imus (semi-vanity)
Imus in the Morning

Posted on 07/14/2005 6:29:06 AM PDT by zook

Fineman does his usual "leave out half the story" trick on Imus this morning. Implies that Rove is a target of the special prosecutor when we've just learned this isn't true. Then suggests that we don't know whether or not Cheney sent Wilson to Niger and that it must not have been his wife (because she's vigorously denied it), despite the findings of the Senate committe on this.

Fineman's mission, apparently, is to stir up public demand for a full blown prosecutorial investigation into President Bush's decision to go to war. He stated that he couldn't see how the special prosecutor could avoid going right to the bottom of this.

Fortunately, Monica Crowley came on about half an hour later to clear the air and set everyone straight.


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1 posted on 07/14/2005 6:29:06 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook

Screw Fineman, Imus, and the horses they rode in on. Typical Lying liberal Rat double speak.


2 posted on 07/14/2005 6:32:13 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: zook

I can't stand Imus anymore. His show has become a total joke. His show has been "get Bush" for 2 years now, with the normal gaggle of leftwing press people polluting his airwaves.


3 posted on 07/14/2005 6:32:40 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: zook

Monica Crowley was on this morning, and she was pretty refreshing to hear.

Jay Sevren is about the closest thing they get to a conservative on there and he's still half a moron without the facts.


4 posted on 07/14/2005 6:35:07 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: zook

Someone needs to inform Fineman of the memo Plame sent to her superiors at the CIA recommending Wilson for the job.


5 posted on 07/14/2005 6:35:09 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: KC_Conspirator

Which is why I was amazed to see Monica Crowley on there providing a dose of truth.


6 posted on 07/14/2005 6:35:40 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook

The key democratic "talking point" on the whole Rove/Palme issue is mock outrage accomnied by total amnesia the Senates investigation which proved Wilson was an habitual liar.

When a conservative reminds one of the liberal talking heads about Wilson being discredited the liberal pretends like that is a partisan attack or an unsubstanuated attack instead of an established fact. Essentially Bush lied and Wilson lied are considered to have equal credence.


7 posted on 07/14/2005 6:46:25 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Comming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: zook
The MSM has no principle beyond lust for power. And that's why so many stories they print support dems.

The MSM wants liberals in office to regain the power of their little black books. Who you call, who you quote, and how powerful that person is, and what they "share", makes or breaks a MSM career.

The "bigs" in the MSM only have liberals in their little black books.

CNN is dying because all the folks who share the "good stuff" are out of office and out of power. FOX is doing well because the decision makers -- the movers and shakers -- talk to FOX. The MSM has a dog in this fight. And their unprincipled hunger is showing.

8 posted on 07/14/2005 6:47:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (Phil Donahue "has made the world safe for emotion masquerading as thought."-BOZELL III)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Imus and Fineman are scum. As is Sissy Matthews. They know the dems are lying and they are willing accomplices in their lies. That's why their ratings are in the toilet.


9 posted on 07/14/2005 6:51:42 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: KC_Conspirator

No, its much worse than that. Imus is a suck up who will go along with whatever he preceives to be the flow. He is no better than these morning show ho's who parrot the NY Times. Fineman is just a lost sole member of the MSM. The MSM is beside itself right now. Ten or fifteen years ago if they had put this much pressure on a member of an administration, that person would be gone. Now, the Bush administration just says "no comment" and lets the MSM stew, knowing full well that the MSM no longer has a monopoly.


10 posted on 07/14/2005 6:53:57 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Piquaboy

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11 posted on 07/14/2005 6:55:33 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: zook

Firstly, who in the world listens to Imus anymore??

Secondly, it is entirely possible that Rove IS indeed a target of the special prosecutor, despite statements to the contrary by Rove's attorney.

In my experience, the lawyer for someone under investtigation ALWAYS denies publically that his client is a target .... until it is shown to be otherwise.

Dont get me wrong. I do not believe Rove is the main target of the Special Prosecutor.

I think it is entirely possible that the SP is investigating the shenanigans which led to Wilson being appointed special envoy to Niger in the first place, especially in light of the fact he had no credentials on investigating WMD existances outside of the fact that he had once been ambasador to Iraq...

As for Rove not being the target, I would not bet the farm on that claim, since it came from Rove's lawyer.

Furthermore, any prosecutor worth his or her salt NEVER comes out and names a specific target. That would not only disrupt the investigation, it would make certain people involved clam up quicker than Monica Lewinsky under subpeona.


12 posted on 07/14/2005 6:58:01 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: KC_Conspirator
I used to like Bernie too but since he has taken his stand against the war in Iraq and in my opinion, the WOT he is a turd. He is pissed because about this time last year Jay Severin took his summer vacation from the mic in Boston on his talk show and penciled in Bernie for a fill-in. Bernie came on and started his monologue on how GWB must get out of Iraq and how the voters should vote for Kerry. The callers got all over Bernie and Bernie had no answers but had to be bleeped several times then after about 45 minutes the signal went dead. They ran several sets of commercial spots then the announcer came on, said there was a technical problem and they would run best of Severin the rest of the day. Bernie never came back on even though he was to be on all week.

His plans for a radio career was over from that moment on.
13 posted on 07/14/2005 7:00:35 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: KC_Conspirator

The last time Imus was interesting was about the same time as the last time SNL was funny.


14 posted on 07/14/2005 7:01:02 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: MojoWire

Do you know what a Target Letter is?


15 posted on 07/14/2005 7:19:31 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: zook

I used to listen to Imus When I lived in Jersey, but at that time he was still doing his humourous skits like "The Reverend Billy Joe Hargus" and "Tres Huevos" some of those were hysterically funny. Now Imus is just plain hysterical!


16 posted on 07/14/2005 7:22:55 AM PDT by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: zook

All you need to know about Imus: he actually admires ... thinks they are insightful ... the Times' Three Stooges: Friedman, Rich and Dowd.


17 posted on 07/14/2005 7:53:43 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: Josh in PA
"Jay Sevren is about the closest thing they get to a conservative on there and he's still half a moron without the facts."

Jay's an idiot iberal like the rest. He started in this morning telling some jokes that totally bombed about the female commander of the shuttle forgetting the keys and getting lost, etc... Jay also said something along the lines of "these are smart people in the White House... well, with one exception..." and he always refers to conservatives as "the conservatives" or "those conservatives" but he always lumps himself in with the Democrats and the Media. He's like Imus, trying to play both sides of the fence but he is a liberal. Of course, on to Karl Rove he then proceeded to tell us that Karl Rove, though what he did might not have been illegal, he is a prominent member of the Bush White House and should be held to higher standards.

....Of course, this was the same argument used when the dems were trying to get Newt but was conveniently shelved for the eight years of the Clinton administration.

18 posted on 07/14/2005 8:18:19 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

I think he's claimed to be a Libertarian before.


19 posted on 07/14/2005 8:28:28 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: Josh in PA
"I think he's claimed to be a Libertarian before."

The party lines are becoming more and more blurred, I would be interested to see his voting record.

20 posted on 07/14/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras
Do you listen to Severin every day for four hours? Unless you do I don't think you can have a definitive understanding of his politics and understanding of the issues as you offered. I listen to him enough over the last five years to know quite a bit about him, have had a beer with him (he drinks martinis) on occasion when he has been on tour with his program, and have had a men's room meeting on one occasion (after the drinks of course).

Considering he claims he is libertarian in his views and a libertine in action only a GOP type who claims his version of politics is the one and only true and apostolic conservative position could disagree with him on many issues. For example, Severin never faulted Clinton for his sexual escapades but held him in contempt for lying. Severin never has faulted GWB for going to war in Iraq based on the facts as understood at the time that Iraq posed a danger to USA but since Husein has been deposed and the immediate threat is diminished Severin believes GWB must pull back as no American soldier's or Sailor's life is worth losing in a police or social work activity to establish democracy for a people who wouldn't know what to do with it if they ever had it as for several thousand years they have never strived for it.

Severin is the man of nuance and inside thinking on politics. He is boring if only one wants to hear the GOP mantra, GOP good, Dems bad, GOP great, Dems evil...

Severin is a man many GOP types and insiders hate because he was the campaign manager behind Buchanan's run for office and although Jay helped GHWB win his campaign for office, since he has affiliated himself with Buchanan the GOP tossed him aside.

Jay has yet to find his true voice on the radio as he is an equally hated personality by the left and the GOP. His voice projects to the educated mainstream family conservative who isn't necessarily religious or doctrinaire but believes in the US Constitution and the freedom of mankind.
21 posted on 07/14/2005 10:36:13 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Hatteras
Do you listen to Severin every day for four hours? Unless you do I don't think you can have a definitive understanding of his politics and understanding of the issues as you offered. I listen to him enough over the last five years to know quite a bit about him, have had a beer with him (he drinks martinis) on occasion when he has been on tour with his program, and have had a men's room meeting on one occasion (after the drinks of course).

Considering he claims he is libertarian in his views and a libertine in action only a GOP type who claims his version of politics is the one and only true and apostolic conservative position could disagree with him on many issues. For example, Severin never faulted Clinton for his sexual escapades but held him in contempt for lying. Severin never has faulted GWB for going to war in Iraq based on the facts as understood at the time that Iraq posed a danger to USA but since Husein has been deposed and the immediate threat is diminished Severin believes GWB must pull back as no American soldier's or Sailor's life is worth losing in a police or social work activity to establish democracy for a people who wouldn't know what to do with it if they ever had it as for several thousand years they have never strived for it.

Severin is the man of nuance and inside thinking on politics. He is boring if only one wants to hear the GOP mantra, GOP good, Dems bad, GOP great, Dems evil...

Severin is a man many GOP types and insiders hate because he was the campaign manager behind Buchanan's run for office and although Jay helped GHWB win his campaign for office, since he has affiliated himself with Buchanan the GOP tossed him aside.

Jay has yet to find his true voice on the radio as he is an equally hated personality by the left and the GOP. His voice projects to the educated mainstream family conservative who isn't necessarily religious or doctrinaire but believes in the US Constitution and the freedom of mankind.
22 posted on 07/14/2005 10:39:21 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
I have not listened to him four hours a day nor have I ever had a drink with him (I don't drink martinis) and I certainly have never stood next to him while whistling and staring at the tile wall. I still would like to know who he voted for in the last election.

His comment this morning about the people in the White House being very intelligent, "well, with one exception..." is very telling to me.

He's an elite snob who thinks he's intelligent (Algore and John Kerry come to mind) and he's got a horrible sense of humor. Like all Liberals they know the truth about the Karl Rove story but continue the lie for political gain. The reports (complete with facts) are out there, there's no excuse for what the leftist trash continue to spout. They are attempting to deceive the American public for political gain and Severin is just as guilty, as well as a host of others who continue to bow to Imus in exchange for notoriety.

P.S. I hope you washed before you shook his hand.

23 posted on 07/14/2005 10:55:14 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras
You know, I never shook his hand that I can recall.

He clearly voted for GWB as he made it very clear that both candidates had weaknesses and were flawed that he spoke of the lesser of evils as he believes GWB isn't conservative enough. An example he cites (several examples) is the signing of the CFR bill into law (first amendment issue) and giving away $15 billion to Africa for AIDS (will be factored by race pimps like Jesse Jackson and skimmed). He voted for GWB because he believes the election was about the Supreme Court and the nominees expected (he was right a year and a half ago) and he expects GWB to do a better job at protecting the US Constitution than Kerry with respect to the courts. He is all over GWB about the borders and criminal aliens as many of us are.

How do you feel now? BTW, his job is to attract and keep listeners on his radio program so they can sell stuff and he can make money. He does a very good job at that since he is the number one TSH in Boston. If he was too liberal or too GOP (notice I didn't write conservative) he would not attract the audience he does. He is in business after all to make money.
24 posted on 07/14/2005 11:09:06 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Hatteras
Oftentimes Jay has said very good things about GWB, that his heart is in the right place and that he is a "good" man. Jay however has never said that GWB is the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Jay, notwithstanding his dislike for liberals or phony conservatives, desires a President who can speak in complete sentences conveying complete thoughts.
25 posted on 07/14/2005 11:13:41 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority

So are you saying he probably voted for John Kerry because John Kerry would have been considered, not necessarily more intelligent but more articulate?


26 posted on 07/14/2005 11:16:56 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

I said he clearly voted for GWB, for all the reasons in that post. I know it is difficult for some people to get beyond GWB good, Dems bad, GOP great, Dems evil, but try, you, might be better for it.


27 posted on 07/14/2005 11:26:51 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
I do have issues with GWB but I don't resort to childish swipes at the man who, time and time again, has proven his intelligence is far beyond the left's as well as the MSM's itelligence. It is comical to see these so-called pundits and self-proclaimed experts who have the facts right in front of them, continue to spout the left's lies (as Jay Severin was doing this morning). Hold Karl Rove to higher standards? Higher than say.... Sandy Berger? Algore? Hillary? Bill? (lying under oath was minor compared to what charges could have been brought).

If he is ticked off about GWB for other reasons than fine, but as a pundit, to try and spin something totally unrelated (to his beef with GWB) out of spite is childish and he should be embarassed. It's called credibility and based on his appearance this morning on the Imus show, he has as much credibility as Don Imus himself.

The number one host in Boston talk radio would have to, at the very least, keep his show somewhere near the center to left center field. But if it's anything like his appearance this morning, his show wouldn't last more than a month in fly-over country.

Regards

28 posted on 07/14/2005 11:55:45 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Final Authority
Severin is an idiot who thinks he is a genius. The guy is always wrong. He was wrong when he supported McCain over Bush. He was wrong when he had Kerry winning the elcetion in the run up to the election and he was laughably wrong on election eve when he bought the early returns as a a lndslide for Cambodia Johnny.

But the worst part is when he goes into his stupid spiel about Bush "asking" Mothers and Fathers to send their children to Iraq to be killed for nothing. Nobody sent me anywhere when I enlisted and nobody sends these brave kids enlisting today anywhere. They are men and women making their own decisions and the implication that Mommy and Daddy are "sending" them off to camp pisses me off royally.

As for Imus, he's an ass. Bernie has swallowe the kool aid without bothering with the water and Fineman morphs into whatever character the show he is appearing on needs.

29 posted on 07/14/2005 12:03:57 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
I agree with everything you wrote except the idiot part. He is far from an idiot but is indeed flawed, even if we can't see it, we all are. He may have thought highly of McCain once, several years ago, as a man who could win an election, but since McCain-Feingold and for several other reasons of late, Jay holds him in low esteem.

The part about sending our men and women to war is somewhat accurate in that he speaks of us, the government, asking Mrs. Smiths child to fight for us when the government hasn't always done everything we can to win without our sacrifice. He has spoken at length about how our men went door to door in Falougha getting sniped at when back in the days of WWII the city would have been leveled first then our men would have entered.

You must understand he holds our armed forces in the highest regard and only wishes their victory and safe return.
30 posted on 07/14/2005 12:35:21 PM PDT by Final Authority
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