Skip to comments.Rove leak is just part of larger scandal (NPR spinning like a top)
Posted on 07/14/2005 4:11:32 PM PDT by Arkie2
WASHINGTON Let me remind you that the underlying issue in the Karl Rove controversy is not a leak, but a war and how America was misled into that war.
In 2002 President Bush, having decided to invade Iraq, was casting about for a casus belli. The weapons of mass destruction theme was not yielding very much until a dubious Italian intelligence report, based partly on forged documents (it later turned out), provided reason to speculate that Iraq might be trying to buy so-called yellowcake uranium from the African country of Niger. It did not seem to matter that the CIA advised that the Italian information was "fragmentary and lacked detail."
Prodded by Vice President Dick Cheney and in the hope of getting more conclusive information, the CIA sent Joseph Wilson, an old Africa hand, to Niger to investigate. Mr. Wilson spent eight days talking to everyone in Niger possibly involved and came back to report no sign of an Iraqi bid for uranium and, anyway, Niger's uranium was committed to other countries for many years to come.
No news is bad news for an administration gearing up for war. Ignoring Wilson's report, Cheney talked on TV about Iraq's nuclear potential. And the president himself, in his 2003 State of the Union address no less, pronounced: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Wilson declined to maintain a discreet silence. He told various people that the president was at least mistaken, at most telling an untruth. Finally Wilson directly challenged the administration with a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed headlined, "What I didn't find in Africa," and making clear his belief that the president deliberately manipulated intelligence in order to justify an invasion.
One can imagine the fury in the White House. We now know from the e-mail traffic of Time's correspondent Matt Cooper that five days after the op-ed appeared, he advised his bureau chief of a supersecret conversation with Karl Rove who alerted him to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and may have recommended him for the Niger assignment. Three days later, Bob Novak's column appeared giving Wilson's wife's name, Valerie Plame, and the fact she was an undercover CIA officer. Mr. Novak has yet to say, in public, whether Mr. Rove was his source. Enough is known to surmise that the leaks of Rove, or others deputized by him, amounted to retaliation against someone who had the temerity to challenge the president of the United States when he was striving to find some plausible reason for invading Iraq.
The role of Rove and associates added up to a small incident in a very large scandal - the effort to delude America into thinking it faced a threat dire enough to justify a war.
Daniel Schorr is the senior news analyst at National Public Radio.
He might as well have written "OK, so Rove isn't guily, BUT..."
it is part of a larger scandal - one in which the media LIE and SPIN at every turn
He did? and came back to report no sign of an Iraqi bid for uranium
Funny, he told CNN he didn't disprove the claims. He didn't even have a written report.
David Gregory is subbing for Chrissy Matthews on Hardball, virtually crying because his guests won't take his bait accusing Rove of breaking the law. It's really funny!
He's talkin' to his people. He's not out to spread the truth, just disease.
Wow. That's a well-informed "birdie."
I thought things were going to be changed....like actually giving both sides of an issue.
Daniel Snore is one of the biggest and deadliest liberal propagandists in the U.S. of A.........actually, in the entire solar system.
Quit watching Chrissy a long time ago although I get an occasional update when Rush takes him to the woodshed.
I wonder who their audience is when they use Latin but don't explain what it means.
Read your editorial earlier and it makes sense. Next week should be interesting. The Sunday talk programs will be nothing but Plame and Rove.
Let me remind you Danny, NPR is paid for by taxpayers, not the DNC.
"Ignoring Wilson's report"
Does he mean the one that some thought lent more credence to an Iraq Niger connection?
I am sorry to learn that Daniel Schoor is still alive. Seems like 30 years ago that CBS had to fire him, and he was old then.
I, too, think this is bigger in scope than just Wilson v. Rove.
I wonder if Wilson deliberately lied in his op-ed piece, hoping the Bush Administration would care enough about his lies to use their own facts to contradict him.
Then, working with the Administration's facts, the Wilsons and their shady "friends" could try to determine the identities of foreign, pro-US spies.
I think they'd like to neutralize the influence of any undercover folks who agree with Bush.
The CIA's own analysts decided that Wilson's report suggested that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake from Niger. The Senate Committee investigating this reported those findings. It's amazing that liberals just keep spouting falsehoods...I wish Fitzgerald would let Rove speak about this (he's asked Rove not to comment).
"Wait until you see what they throw up tomorrow"
I guess a pukin dog would know! LOL!
Danny baby is a tye-dyed-in-the-wool liberal s**t! He usually only tells one side of a story,(and is usually wrong)and is always liberal. What is that putz doing on NPR and getting our tax dollars for his slipshod, opinionated b.s.? He should have retired long ago when he at least had a shred of respectability left, but like most of the Bill Moyer set, they don't know when to say "enough!"
Not yielding very much? What were we doing for the previous 12 years, with the first war, the UN inspections, etc.? Schorr writes as if the Iraq-WMD thing was made up once Bush got into office. Idiot.
are you on fire
from the years
what would you give
for your kid fears
your kid fears
skipping stones, we know the price now
and any sin will do
how much further, if you can spin
how much further, if you are smooth
/metaphor credit: indigo girls
I tuned into NPR for a few minutes and heard this. I had thought it was an editorial by a Democrat, and expected to hear back announcing to identify the Dem...but it turns out it was NPR's own reporting. Not amazed, but how does a producer get away with letting this on the air amidst all of the bias charges? Do they seriously think this is not biased?
Bias side note: NBC had a 5 minute report tonight on video game violence/sex...what a set up to finish with Hilary taking on this important topic. And of course, there she was. We have to sit through years of the lamestream's blatant attempts to make her legit.
"lamestream" sounds like a prostate problem...but with Hillary, how could you tell?
These demorats keep running around screaming,making all kinds of accusations with really hateful ,over the top comments while Rove,Bush ,Cheney and Co just tread water knowing what will come out soon. They even seem to bait them into truly Psychotic rants. We have so many wonderful soundbites for the next two campaigns like that Looney Congressman from NJ.
Remember the second article is from the WaPo--are Wilson apologists going to argue that's a Bush-friendly paper now?
...The Senate Intelligence Committee on Iraq Intelligence released their report and exposed Wilson for the partisan fraud that he is. The Democrats on this bipartisan committee refused to put this information in the report itself so the committee chairman put it in his Additional Views section. This can be found starting on page 442 of the report. Heres the money quote from the intelligence committee report:
Conclusion: The plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested by the former ambassadors wife, a CIA employee.
...Conclusion: Rather than speaking publicly about his actual experiences during his inquiry of the Niger issue, the former ambassador seems to have included information he learned from press accounts and from his beliefs about how the Intelligence Community would have or should have handled the information he provided.
At the time the former ambassador traveled to Niger, the Intelligence Community did not have in its possession any documents on the alleged Niger-Iraq uranium deal. The former ambassadors comments to reporters that the Niger-Iraq uranium documents "may have been forged because the dates were wrong and the names were wrong, could not have been based on the former ambassadors actual experiences because the Intelligence Community did not have the documents at the time of the ambassadors trip. In addition, nothing in the report from the former ambassadors trip said anything about documents having been forged or the names or dates in the report having been incorrect
Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role
....Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.
The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.
...The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.
...Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.
"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."
The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."
"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. ....The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.
....According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company
Joe Wilson is not just a liar, he is a proven liar.
Come on doggy, give us some chunks... I can't wait!
It is a prostate problem and a "manhood" problem,you see Hellery took all the demorat's prostates from them and put most of them in a "lockbox". Hellery had a few useful prostates out there,but had to be 15 or 20 combined to make one normal one for her use when hers is over-used. Most of the Demorat Politician prostates were on empty so they are headed for the graveyard in Harry Reid's back yard.
His bias is consistent throughout his career, and so is his inflated sense of his own ability.
When democrats find themselves in a hole, all they know
how to do is shovel sh*t.
This house of cards is going to fall hard on them soon.
Irrelevant? Not just that but the laughing stock of the nation!
Golly, in all the talk about the WMD problem, I hope nobody brings up the close relationship between Clinton, Saddam, Osama bin Laden and the Saudis during the year 1993 through 1998. I think we can all overlook Vince's murder when he threatened to talk, and focus on the important issue, our inability to find where Saddam hid his WMD. Daniel has not yet talked to the Syrians, so they are still "not found." But, that is why it is so very important to continue the drone that there is "no connection." We simply do not want anyone finding out about Willie's involvement. Why does Daniel think Berger was destroying documents?
I hope one is from Victoria Toensing (spelling) who helped write the law as we all know.
OMG, who drug out this old 60's radical hippie scumbag America hater?
Daniel Schorr, please ease up on your outflow of verbal diarrhea, the stench is really becoming unbearable!
I'd give you the name, but he might have once been an undercover CIA agent, and the dems want to make that illegal, even if done unknowingly. Sorry.
"We now know from the e-mail traffic of Time's correspondent Matt Cooper that five days after the op-ed appeared, he advised his bureau chief of a supersecret conversation with Karl Rove who alerted him to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and may have recommended him for the Niger assignment."
Whether Wilson's report was correct or not, I think the issue is really what the Times coorespondent is asserting in this statement. If Rove did 'alert' Mr. Cooper to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA that is troubling. There may not be any criminal activity in doing so, but it smacks of Nixonian politics, you screw with us and we will retaliate. Does anybody know whether Mr. Coopers assertions about his coorespondence with Rove are correct?
Daniel Schorr has had rampant Alzheimer's disease for thirty years. He resembles an outhouse covered with snow in Vermont in January,and makes as much sense. Has anyone brought up to UpChuck Schumer that his buddy "Leaky" Leahy would have been convicted under the "Outings" that he did while he was on the Intelligence Committee had their proposed law been in effect. Many of the "spys" were murdered because of him,and he got kicked off the Committee for it. He should be in Federal Prison now.
How old is Daniel Schor? 115?
I've always thought Schorr is a Communist.
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