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NY TIMES CLAIMS EXCLUSIVE NEW DETAILS OF EVENTS SURROUNDING CIA LEAK, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE...
Drudge Report ^ | July 14, 2005 | Drudge

Posted on 07/14/2005 5:29:59 PM PDT by blogblogginaway

NY TIMES CLAIMS EXCLUSIVE NEW DETAILS OF EVENTS SURROUNDING CIA LEAK, SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... DEVELOPING LATE OUT OF WASHINGTON... MORE...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antinuke; cialeak; fakebutaccurate; joewilson; ncc; schumer; stand; wand; will
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To: blogblogginaway
When the Slimes digs a hole to fall in.....
Its really really deep... (setting up chaise lounge to watch)..
501 posted on 07/14/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: FormerACLUmember
It was a brilliant take on I Robot. What would be perfect is to have little robot RATS--little robot DemonRATS!

Let them say cheese and smile for the camera.
502 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:06 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Well. If you read the lefty websites, they all say that Tenet and Pavitt resigned over the "Plame Affair" (or something like that). However,

CIA report slams top officials over terrorism readiness It says Tenet, others didn't do enough before Sept. 11

503 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:08 PM PDT by Alia
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To: McGavin999
just because he confirmed something that everybody knew?

His choice of words did not confirm. He merely said he "heard that too". He confirmed only hearing a rumor.

504 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:35 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: True_wesT

I don't think Tenet's talking had anything to do with that, or with his leaving. I think Tenet may have talked and that was it--he didn't tell anyone, he wasn't fired for it, he just did it. And he did nothing wrong.


505 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:38 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: alnick
The Dims and their cohorts in the MSM will spin this story to ONE FACT. Rove talked to REPORTERS on TWO OCCASIONS about Valerie Plame and Scott McClellan said ROVE never talked to anyone.

While that is NOT TRUE, it is accurate and the MSM doesn't care about truth.....just the DESTRUCTION of ROVE and George Bush's presidency!!

This is much ado about NOTHING but with the MSM's devotion to the Democrat Party it will continue until no further blood letting is possible.

506 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:47 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: tobyhill

Well, this is the rub. Rove appears to be off the hook. But, as we already knew, Plame was well outside of the 5-year window. So all of this is Washington nonsense. And the SCOTUS nomination is going to kill this story once and for all (thank God).


507 posted on 07/14/2005 8:52:50 PM PDT by True_wesT
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To: kcvl

Below is the exchange that the Libs are saying Bush said he would fire the leaker. The excerpt below is from Captain's Quarters (basically pointing out the questioner asked a compound question and interrupting Bush before he answered first question. it sounds picky, but Fox had video of the exchange and it was confusing.)

"Attempting to prove that Bush indeed made some sort of "firing pledge," he notes a press conference on June 10, 2004 in Savannah, GA, in which the following exchange occurred:

Q: Given -- given recent developments in the CIA leak case, particularly Vice President Cheney's discussions with the investigators, do you still stand by what you said several months ago, a suggestion that it might be difficult to identify anybody who leaked the agent's name?

THE PRESIDENT: That's up to --

Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. Attorney to find the facts.

The first point that leaps out at me is that the last sentence indicates that Bush's "yes" was in fact answering the first question -- whether it would be difficult to find the source -- not the second about some "pledge" that in fact cannot seem to be located. The referrant of the word "that" in Bush's response cannot possibly be the pledge, unless Bush is suggesting that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald should be trying to discover whether any such "firing promise" was made."

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004934.php


508 posted on 07/14/2005 8:53:19 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: True_wesT
I am utterly baffled. The Times is saying that Rove is still in trouble,

The Times is trying to leave the impression that Rove is still in "trouble", but their own story belies that implication. It's pure political spin. The Rove angle in this story is OVER.

And am I to conclude that Rove's crime was confirming what Novak had already heard? That's silly.

There was no "crime." Rove didn't confirm or leak ANYTHING; the Times' own story says he didn't. He only told Novak what he heard from other journalists - pure hearsay, nothing more. Rove didn't say it was true or false, just that he had heard it.

509 posted on 07/14/2005 8:53:28 PM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: Alia

,,,but by the twitching of my nose... I have a hunch this is where the Sandy Berger archive thefts factor in...


510 posted on 07/14/2005 8:53:33 PM PDT by Alia
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So what's Novak up to? He can talk. Cooper will have his story out next week. What's he waiting for?


511 posted on 07/14/2005 8:53:36 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Tenant's the one who authorized this stupid probe. If he's the guy who told Bob then he basically called for an investigation into himself. Pretty f'n dumb, but then, he is a Democrat.

It would have been nice of NYT to point out that the statute in question is very narrowly written and Wilson himself now says his wife was not a clandestine officer at the time of Novak's column (actually since '94).

If Fitzgerald ends up turning this thing around the Democratic CIA/Media circle jerk that started this mess I will laugh my ass off and name my next dog Rover in Karl's honor.


512 posted on 07/14/2005 8:55:41 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: eddie willers

lol. I hear this faint echo from the NY Times to Fitzgerald: "Come our way! Come'on... cut us some slack; we can make you into the next Warren!"


513 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:08 PM PDT by Alia
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To: PISANO
Scott McClellan said ROVE never talked to anyone.

Sounds like Scott needs to go.

Woooooo what a scandal.

Ask America who Scott McClellan is and they'll guess he was one of the 7 astronauts.

514 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:33 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: rocklobster11

Thank you. -- and yes, it does.


515 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:56 PM PDT by Alia
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To: True_wesT

Nah, Tenet was on his way out and settling scores. It's not the reason he left.


516 posted on 07/14/2005 8:56:58 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: PISANO

And it still doesn't seem like Rove is the source of the leak. It is either Novak Source #1 or Miller's source.


517 posted on 07/14/2005 8:57:52 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Libertarian444

Thank you, Sir. You simply confirmed what I was pretty sure I was reading: Rove is free and clear. I just couldn't figure out why the copy essentially said that Rove was free and clear, but the authors continued to say that he wasn't. You'd thing I'd be immune to NYT jujitsu after all these years!


518 posted on 07/14/2005 9:00:38 PM PDT by True_wesT
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To: True_wesT

"The person who has been briefed on the matter said that Mr. Rove neither knew Ms. Wilson's name nor that she was a covert officer."

Best phrase out of the headlines. I'm just sick and tired of the MSM giving Wilson more than the standard 15 minutes.


519 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:02 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Callahan
Actually Bush called for the probe, so I don't see how Tenet could say "No." But you're right, I wasn't thinking straight about that.

Of course, Tenet is just the obvious choice and I should have thought more about that. The CIA and State are crammed full of democrats. It's probably someone we never heard of. But you're right, it's not Tenet.

520 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:40 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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To: NathanBookman

And that source isn't likely from the WH. Otherwise (one would figure) Rove would already know the information.


521 posted on 07/14/2005 9:01:53 PM PDT by True_wesT
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To: True_wesT

Instead of using the headline "Rove Reportedly Held Phone Talk on C.I.A. Officer", the Times should have used "Rove not source of leak".


522 posted on 07/14/2005 9:02:46 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: True_wesT

I agree. As far as Rove is concerned, this is over.


523 posted on 07/14/2005 9:03:39 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: eddie willers
Ask America who Scott McClellan is and they'll guess he was one of the 7 astronauts.

Best line of the day!

524 posted on 07/14/2005 9:05:14 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Alia
The only thing that had me worried is if Rove called Novak AFTER talking to Cooper...that would confirm the "peddling" angle.

But I thought, since Rove was 2 minutes away from leaving for vacation when he talked to Cooper would he really call Novak from his vacation?

WELL THANK YOU NYT!

Not only did he NOT call Novak after talking, he talk to Novak before...didn't instigate the call...and Novak already had the goods.

Hallelujah!

525 posted on 07/14/2005 9:05:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: tobyhill
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526 posted on 07/14/2005 9:05:51 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: PilloryHillary
It was taken today

In that case, it's a classic (I've already made it my desktop).

527 posted on 07/14/2005 9:06:41 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (I (heart) Karl Rove)
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To: NathanBookman

Don't be too hard on the Times, it had to kill them to write this story. Since Novak's other source was "not a partisan gun slinger" I'm assuming it was the same thing: Novak asked the official. So the story is who was the original leak...looks like the media, which may explain Fitzgerald's frustration with them.


528 posted on 07/14/2005 9:07:14 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: True_wesT
And that source isn't likely from the WH. Otherwise (one would figure) Rove would already know the information.

Novak said it was two "Administration officials"

Could be anybody.

529 posted on 07/14/2005 9:08:18 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
I think Novak added Senior administration officials.
530 posted on 07/14/2005 9:11:20 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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To: tobyhill

Strange

NYT just vindicated Rove. The spin they put on it is understandable. It had to kill them to do this.

By doing so, they have also exposed Wilson for the lyin' POS he is. Rove DID NOT leak this. Rove did not shop this story around.

Rove was contacted by 2 reporters.

I am cynical. What does the NYT know or what have they learned? Is Joe going down? Wilson had his flaming presser today with Chuckie trying to castrate Rove. And the story come out the same evening.

Just when the "Kill Rove" chorus are at their loudest, the Times vindicates him.

I did not see it, but it was posted that Brit Hume and Fred Barnes were of the opinion this story would take a major turn soon.

Woodward was warning the rabid pack to back off.

Something is in the air.


531 posted on 07/14/2005 9:11:49 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Patriot from Philly

Drudge changed his Headline to: "CLAIM: NOVAK ASKED ROVE ABOUT CIA OFFICER". That's a little better.


532 posted on 07/14/2005 9:13:04 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: kcvl
David Gergen

The token "righty".

That's like me saying "I did too vote for a Democrat...Zell Miller."

533 posted on 07/14/2005 9:13:20 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Patriot from Philly
Don't be too hard on the Times, it had to kill them to write this story....

BWHAHAHAHA! And therein lies the JOY!

534 posted on 07/14/2005 9:14:17 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: eddie willers
Ask America who Scott McClellan is and they'll guess he was one of the 7 astronauts.

Or like some "honor student" told Sean Hannity on his show this afternoon when he asked her how many Supreme Court Justices we had. She said twelve and Oprah Winfrey was one of them. ROFLOL!

535 posted on 07/14/2005 9:14:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
It had to kill them to do this.

That's why it took so long for them to post it. With all of the posturing, interviews and press conferences on Thursday it sure looks like Wilson suckered the dems. Yes. He's going down...:-)

536 posted on 07/14/2005 9:16:00 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Rokurota
think Novak added Senior administration officials

And that cuts it down to how many?

Would it include someone like Ridge, Snow etc?...still a long list.

537 posted on 07/14/2005 9:16:18 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Dr.Hilarious

I have my suspicions, after reading kclv's earlier post, the word "non-partisan" starting bouncing in my head. I can't imagime my suspicions would be true, though or we would have one disappointed country on both sides of the aisle.


538 posted on 07/14/2005 9:17:19 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: NathanBookman
The questioner asked a compound question and interrupting Bush before he answered first question.

Great point. Bookmarked. Thanks.

539 posted on 07/14/2005 9:18:17 PM PDT by syriacus (To which flag do Joe and Val Wilson pledge allegiance?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

All I can say to that is that someone described Wilson in a headline on FR today as "non-partisan".


540 posted on 07/14/2005 9:19:06 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious ("I never claimed to have “debunked” the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa."-Joe W)
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To: eddie willers

The AP has an article as well: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1443317/posts

To the NYT story it adds: " Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another reporter but had no recollection of which reporter had told him about it first, the source said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony."

REPORTERS SOURCE OF LEAK!!!!


541 posted on 07/14/2005 9:19:14 PM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: Types_with_Fist
He's going down...:-)

I posted on another board that he would be "frog marched" to the Big House. :o)

Now....where have I heard that before?

542 posted on 07/14/2005 9:19:21 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I just wish they would quit the spin game and rip Wilson a new one for being the Drama Queen that started this crap but instead it seems he will get the sympathy pass.


543 posted on 07/14/2005 9:20:28 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: All
I know this BS is aggravating but remember, we had to put up with this during the election when the MSM even went as far as presenting fake documents to take down this administration. They will twist and spin to the liberals advantage till there is indisputable evidence that Rove is guilty of nothing. We may have to wait till this investigation is over and conclusions made for this to finally stop.

I know in my heart GOOD will prevail over EVIL.

PS - there have been postings saying this is all an attempt to disrupt nomination/s for the SCOTUS. I would be behind President Bush 100% if he made a recess appointment. It's legal and has been done before. These liberals are a detriment to our country, society and safety. I say it's time to take off the gloves and get on with taking care of what needs to be taken care of!

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:PCWnEyBDS54J:www.c-span.org/questions/week156.asp+recess+appointment+supreme+court&hl=en
544 posted on 07/14/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: Dr.Hilarious

I think Novak used that description and I doubt he would say Wilson was a non-partisan.


545 posted on 07/14/2005 9:20:39 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Dr.Hilarious

Novak's second source could still be Scooter Libby. That wouldn't be good for us since it ties things closer to Cheney. If it's some career bureacrat from the CIA then Josh Marshall will start to cry.

I don't think Fitzgerald's probe is going to end up the way the Rats want it to. Of course, they'll turn on him.


546 posted on 07/14/2005 9:21:06 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: tobyhill
WILSON: My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity.

Joe Wilson has plenty of explaining to do himself. I don't think anyone was out to 'smear' Wilson, but I do think Wilson had an ulterior motive in wanting to 'smear' the Bush Administration and attempting to bring about the downfall of GWB. In this excerpt from the Vanity Fair article, Wilson was milking the story of her being exposed for all it was worth. He knew she was not a covert agent and yet he gave the impression she was with this type action: At the Nation award lunch Wilson wept openly on the podium as he looked his wife straight in the eye and declared, "If I could give you back your anonymity ... " He swallowed, unable to speak for a few seconds. "You are the most wonderful person I know. And I'm sorry this has been brought on you." Valerie Plame also teared up. The room was electrified. Moments later Wilson recovered. He concluded his remarks with the climax everyone had been waiting for. "Let me introduce you to my wife, Valerie," he said. I am so sick of hearing about her being exposed to danger etc. because someone identified her...she told Wilson on their third or fourth date who she was and what she did. She wasn't too concerned about keeping her identity a secret since she revealed it to her date who just happened to be a married man!!

I think it's time the Democrats were exposed for the liars they are, and the Wilson's repay the government for his trip to Niger which was set up by his wife!

548 posted on 07/14/2005 9:23:27 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: tobyhill

Drama Queen is an excellent description for Joe Wilson. I can just imagine him writing that NYT piece thinking "Richard Gere will play me in the movie version."


549 posted on 07/14/2005 9:25:26 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: NathanBookman
Thanks for that link!

I may just go over to DU to hear the gnashing of teeth and the lamentations of their women (and girlie-men)!

550 posted on 07/14/2005 9:25:54 PM PDT by eddie willers
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