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Source: Rove Got CIA Agent ID From Media [w/additional text re: senate shenanigans]
Associated Press ^ | 07/15/05 | John Solomon

Posted on 07/14/2005 9:32:15 PM PDT by blake6900

Source: Rove Got CIA Agent ID From Media By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

Presidential confidant Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he learned the identity of a CIA operative originally from journalists, then informally discussed the information with a Time magazine reporter days before the story broke, according to a person briefed on the testimony.

The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.

Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story. The conversation eventually turned to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's Iraq war policy and the intelligence it used to justify the war, the source said.

The person said Rove testified that Novak told him he had learned and planned to report in a weekend column that Wilson's wife, Plame, had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims of alleged nuclear material sales to Iraq.

Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle.

On Thursday, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for legislation to strip Rove of his clearance for classified information, which he said President Bush should already have done. Instead, Reid said, the Bush administration has attacked its critics: "This is what is known as a cover-up. This is an abuse of power."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Democrats were resorting to "partisan war chants."

Across the Capitol, Rep. Rush Holt (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., introduced legislation for an investigation that would compel senior administration officials to turn over records relating to the Plame disclosure.

Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another reporter but had no recollection of which reporter had told him about it first, the source said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.

Rove told the grand jury that four days later, he had a phone conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and — in an effort to discredit some of Wilson's allegations — told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, though he never used her name.

An e-mail Cooper recently provided the grand jury shows Cooper reported to his magazine bosses that Rove had described Wilson's wife in a confidential conversation as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, said Thursday his client truthfully testified to the grand jury and expected to be exonerated.

"Karl provided all pertinent information to prosecutors a long time ago," Luskin said. "And prosecutors confirmed when he testified most recently in October 2004 that he is not a target of the investigation."

Rove's conversation with Cooper took place five days after Wilson suggested in a New York Times opinion piece that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat. Novak's column identifying Wilson's wife as a CIA employee and Cooper's magazine piece came out a few days later.

Pressed to explain its statements of two years ago that Rove wasn't involved in the leak, the White House refused to do so this week.

"If I were to get into discussing this, I would be getting into discussing an investigation that continues and could be prejudging the outcome of the investigation," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

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Associated Press special correspondent David Espo contributed to this story.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cialeak; rove; wilson
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The plot thickens...or sickens. Haven't seen the report by the New York Times in tomorrow's paper but methinks it will spin differently.
1 posted on 07/14/2005 9:32:15 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: blake6900

Whoops, democrat copperheads wiping egg from their faces.


2 posted on 07/14/2005 9:38:45 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: blake6900

The focus will shift on whether or not this was an attempt to discredit Wilson.

Funny thing is, Wilson discredited himself, and Rove merely pointed that out.

I really can't see how these people can be so ignorant.


3 posted on 07/14/2005 9:39:29 PM PDT by Constitutionalist_by_birth
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To: blake6900

HHHMMMMM....Perhaps it was Judith Miller who first told Rove about Wilson's wife?????


4 posted on 07/14/2005 9:40:22 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: blake6900
I love watching the DemocRATS and their toadies in the Liberal MSM when they light up those exploding cigars. Their Rove fiasco is the biggest exploding cigar of all.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

5 posted on 07/14/2005 9:41:09 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: Constitutionalist_by_birth
As I said on the NYT thread regarding their article on this story, the Times conveniently omits the fact that Novak called Rove, not the other way around. This story, from the AP, points that fact out and that's important because the libs have tried to paint this as a simple act of revenge by Rove against Wilson. Yet we now know that both Novak and Cooper called Rove, supposedly to speak about other issues, and then steered the conversation to Wilson's wife. Clearly, if Rove were out to get Wilson he wouldn't have sat around waiting for reporters to call. And, of course the libs and the media have portrayed Rove as the instigator, not the other way around.

These liberals are funny...they make me laugh.

6 posted on 07/14/2005 9:45:33 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: Jewels1091
HHHMMMMM....Perhaps it was Judith Miller who first told Rove about Wilson's wife?????

Could be...which might explain why she never actually wrote a story on the subject. It could also explain that Rove was not her source...but Joseph Wilson was.

7 posted on 07/14/2005 9:47:36 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: blake6900

I hope the grand jury indites Wilson for purjury... that would cause all of the dems to fall over dead.


8 posted on 07/14/2005 9:50:04 PM PDT by dleach
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To: blake6900

So....what do you'all think the Dems NEXT "smart move" will be.....BBAAAAAWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH


9 posted on 07/14/2005 9:53:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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To: blake6900

blake! LTNS.........I have missed you!


10 posted on 07/14/2005 9:54:44 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Jewels1091

That would explain a lot.


11 posted on 07/14/2005 9:55:06 PM PDT by Rokurota (.)
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To: blake6900

This story needs to get out! Anybody here post in USENET and Yahoo Message boards? This one needs to be posted!

http://members.tripod.com/~jednet207/PoliticalNewsGroups-PC.html


12 posted on 07/14/2005 9:56:56 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Jewels1091

I think Judith Miller told Scooter who told Rove.

Now I want to know who told Judith.


13 posted on 07/14/2005 9:57:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: blake6900

Where did the media get it from?


14 posted on 07/14/2005 9:57:42 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Democrat-Americans and their wholly-owned MSM subsidiary are beginning to sweat like B. J. Clinton in a girl's dorm. Karl Rove, that eeeeevilll genius, turned the tables on 'em after they tried to rope-a-dope him.

I'm so happy I don't don't know whether to take a dump or go blind!


15 posted on 07/14/2005 9:58:27 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: blake6900
It could also explain that Rove was not her source...but Joseph Wilson was

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Now, THAT is a scenario I really, really like! Please God, let it be!

16 posted on 07/14/2005 9:58:38 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Their Rove fiasco is the biggest exploding cigar of all.

LOL! I had the same feeling this afternoon watching them on the Senate floor; I swear, I think the Republicans KNEW about this then and just egged them on.

I'll be up early in the morning to hear the moaning.

And, of course, the "next" talking point.

17 posted on 07/14/2005 9:59:36 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: goodnesswins
So....what do you'all think the Dems NEXT "smart move" will be.....BBAAAAAWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Well, I suppose they could still try to pin it on Cheney or Scooter Libby. But if they're smart they'll just let it go away.

It's funny that this comes out right after Joe Wilson goes before the cameras to demand Rove's head. It's like the White House was waiting for them to take that one step too many. Schumer's probably hittin' the bottle right now, wonderin' why he opened his yap on this one!

Meanwhile, we should now demand that John Kerry be investigated for leaking a CIA agents name last April during a Senate Committe hearing, doncha think?!

18 posted on 07/14/2005 9:59:38 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: dleach

Hugh Hewitt was just talking about that. He was saying that Wilson himself was backtracking on Wolf Blitzer this afternoon, saying that his wife wasn't undercover at the time.


19 posted on 07/14/2005 10:00:34 PM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: Quick1

The media had to have gotten it from Uncle Joe. Where else?


20 posted on 07/14/2005 10:01:50 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Quick1
Where did the media get it from?

Probably from Wilson himself. For the most part, they're on the same team.

21 posted on 07/14/2005 10:02:35 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Howlin
Who is most likely Novak's source?

Miller?

22 posted on 07/14/2005 10:04:21 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: blake6900

Looks like this "scandal" is about to go the way of the Delay "scandal." Funny that's all but disappeared. But of course the correction of the record won't be blared from the headlines like the original smear was. The media will just move on to some other attack angle on Bush. Look for the headlines next week to resume the usual "nothing but negative" from Iraq. Everytime someone trips and falls in Iraq, it will be screamed from the headlines. And Bush will be to blame.

The media conspiracy in this country has reached its absolute maximum depths in terms of craveness and utter bias. It is not enough to describe the media as liberal or biased. It is utterly activist.


23 posted on 07/14/2005 10:04:29 PM PDT by MikeA
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To: Howlin
blake! LTNS.........I have missed you!

Yep! Back and ready for action! How ya been? Stirrin' the pot, I hope. This whole Rove/Plame/Wilson/CIA thing is hilarious. These dumb asses never learn. It's almost too easy bi!ch-slappin' 'em. But I never tire of hearing the slapping sound that comes with it!

24 posted on 07/14/2005 10:04:53 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: Bob

Measure me for my foil hat, but I've got a mental image of the Joe Wilsons and the Mandy Grunwalds sitting around the bridge table cooking this scheme up...


25 posted on 07/14/2005 10:06:11 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Sturm Ruger

We really need to start calling it a "Rove-a-Dope".

Anything that increases their paranoia that he is demonically invincible.

I just want to know, if all the Media seemed to know this detail about his wife, and the administration didn't, who the MSM got the news from?


26 posted on 07/14/2005 10:06:21 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Howlin
Now I want to know who told Judith.

Valarie Plame? Mandy Grunwald(spel?)?

27 posted on 07/14/2005 10:06:52 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Howlin; blake6900

Isn't it also interesting how both this AP story as well as the NYT version omit that Senator Frist's response to Reid's amendment was one of his own proposing that any office holder who discloses classified FBI information on the Senate floor and uses it to denigrate the U.S. military should have HIS security clearence removed. It was nice to see the Republican Senators showing some actual backbone without having to have their emails and phone lines flooded first! Let's just hope they liked their taste of victory so much that they're willing to fight for the upcoming judicial nominee(s)!


28 posted on 07/14/2005 10:07:44 PM PDT by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Bob

yer not kiddin' ,"for the most part"!! The MSM hacks and other assorted news gatherers aren't journalists , they're PROPAGANDISTS , but we knew that [sorry,I just had to say it out loud after today's shenanigans w/UpChuck & Wilson]hey, sounds like a comedy team , Upchuck & Wilson


29 posted on 07/14/2005 10:08:35 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: blake6900; Howlin
Stirrin' the pot, I hope.

Here is the spoon she uses.

30 posted on 07/14/2005 10:08:46 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Sturm Ruger
Measure me for my foil hat, but I've got a mental image of the Joe Wilsons and the Mandy Grunwalds sitting around the bridge table cooking this scheme up...

Yeah...which might explain why it didn't work. LOL! God, these people really are "the gang that couldn't shoot straight"!

31 posted on 07/14/2005 10:09:02 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: blake6900

I heard Rush Limbaugh discussing the New York Times and Karl Rove today. He was tearing @ssholes left and right. One of the best Limbaugh programs ever ! He said that the cover up was by the NYT who asked own journalist to fall on her sword. The NYT is guilty, not Karl Rove!


32 posted on 07/14/2005 10:09:54 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: blake6900

This whole absurdity was wholly created & driven by the media and their counterparts in the DemoncRAT party & LIAR Wilson.


33 posted on 07/14/2005 10:10:01 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: hole_n_one

I am not sure, but he obviously had another one who told him before he spoke to Rove.

This is from Joe Wilson's book (remember he's a liar) but it gives some added information:

Chapter 17: A Strange Encounter with Robert Novak

by Ambassador Joseph Wilson

Late on Tuesday afternoon, July 8, six days before Robert Novak's article about Valerie and me, a friend showed up at my office with a strange and disturbing tale. He had been walking down Pennsylvania Avenue toward my office near the White House when he came upon Novak, who, my friend assumed, was en route to the George Washington University auditorium for the daily taping of CNN's Crossfire. He asked Novak if he could walk a block or two with him, as they were headed in the same direction; Novak acquiesced. Striking up a conversation, my friend, without revealing that he knew me, asked Novak about the uranium controversy. It was a minor problem, Novak replied, and opined that the administration should have dealt with it weeks before. My friend then asked Novak what he thought about me, and Novak answered: "Wilson's an asshole. The CIA sent him. His wife, Valerie, works for the CIA. She's a weapons of mass destruction specialist. She sent him." At that point, my friend and Novak went their separate ways. My friend headed straight for my office a couple of blocks away.

Once he related this unsettling story to me, I asked him to immediately write down the details of the conversation and afterwards ushered him out of my office. Next, I contacted the head of the news division at CNN, Eason Jordan, Novak's titular boss, whom I had known for a number of years. It took several calls, but I finally tracked him down on his cell phone. I related to him the details of my friend's encounter with Novak and pointed out that whatever my wife might or might not be, it was the height of irresponsibility for Novak to share such information with an absolute stranger on a Washington street. I asked him to speak to Novak for me, but he demurred— he said he did not know him very well—and suggested that I speak to Novak myself. I arranged for him to have Novak call me and hung up.

Novak called the next morning, but I was out, and then so was he. We did not connect until the following day, July 10. He listened quietly as I repeated to him my friend's account of their conversation. I told him I couldn't imagine what had possessed him to blurt out to a complete stranger what he had thought he knew about my wife.

Novak apologized, and then asked if I would confirm what he had heard from a CIA source: that my wife worked at the Agency. I told him that I didn't answer questions about my wife. I told him that my story was not about my wife or even about me; it was about sixteen words in the State of the Union address.


(If you think you can stomach the rest of it, here's the URL: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=58668 )


34 posted on 07/14/2005 10:10:11 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Sturm Ruger
Mandy Grunwalds

And Valerie Plame. Girls like to talk when they get together.

Next comes Judith Miller, more girl talk over lunch.

35 posted on 07/14/2005 10:10:13 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Soul Seeker

I liiiike it....

"Rove-a-dope: A half-baked scheme worthy of Wyle E. Coyote, cooked up by crazed moonbats and their media running dog lackeys to discredit Republicans who foil their agenda. Usually blows up in their faces like a cheap Acme cigar."


36 posted on 07/14/2005 10:11:34 PM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: pbrown

Now wouldn't that be wonderful.....if after all this, it was Valerie herself who outted herself............ROFLMAO.


37 posted on 07/14/2005 10:11:52 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: blake6900

This story gets better and better. Okay, I'll bite: how did Novak find out Plame's identity? Obviously he didn't get it from Rove. And I think he has said he didn't get it from anyone else in the Bush Admistration. Meanwhile, Judith Miller refuses to testify about what she knows. Hmm...

A birdie tells me that Novak's ultimate source is either Joe Wilson (through intermediaries) or Mandy Grunweld (Matt Cooper's wife and Democratic Party hack). Now wouldn't that be sweet?


38 posted on 07/14/2005 10:16:01 PM PDT by kesg
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To: hole_n_one
Who is most likely Novak's source?

Miller?

And leaving aside intermediaries (other NYT reporters), who was her source? Wilson? a Democratic hack? Matt Cooper is married to one: Mandy Grunweld.

39 posted on 07/14/2005 10:17:47 PM PDT by kesg
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero

That was hilarious.

It's been a great day, all in all!


40 posted on 07/14/2005 10:18:51 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: blake6900

Game. Set. Match.


41 posted on 07/14/2005 10:20:30 PM PDT by microgood
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To: kesg

Novak's been around DC for many years , Karl is a newbie , shrewd and crafty , but still a newbie to The Beltway compared to Novak


42 posted on 07/14/2005 10:20:39 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Howlin
Think about it.

Women love to gossip together. If they are having a nice lunch, she and Mandy, women like to puff themselves up in front of their friends. Suppose Valarie told Mandy what she did, Mandy's husband, cooper, works at the WH.

Maybe both Mandy and Valarie invite another woman, Miller for lunch and a little girl talk.

Women, are fantastic plotters and schemers.

43 posted on 07/14/2005 10:21:01 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Soul Seeker

"Rove-a-Dope". Ha, Ha!

Good one!


44 posted on 07/14/2005 10:22:20 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: pbrown

Women can be meaner than men most days -- and I'm a woman.

Your theory is very appealing to me.


45 posted on 07/14/2005 10:22:46 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Howlin

hee, Drudge goes from the NYTIMES article to the AP version.
Now lets go after the various reporters because obviously they were pushing the info around.


46 posted on 07/14/2005 10:24:59 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Howlin

I'm a woman too. I know how we think. (but, shhh, don't tell any men.)


47 posted on 07/14/2005 10:26:21 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Howlin
The passage from Wilson's book that you've posted tells us something very important. Wilson had a head's up that a) everyone knew his wife worked for the CIA and, b) the rumor was his wife got him the gig to go to Niger.

So, Wilson had at least six days to hatch a plan and lay all the BS at the White House steps. It also tells us, if Wilson is to be believed, that Novak was looking for anyone (Rove, Wilson, anyone) to actually confirm that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA. Note, not that she was a covert operator but that she simply worked there. Clearly Wilson was the one who came up with the "They outed my wife the spy" nonsense since even her boss says she never really was undercover in the true sense of the word.

Wilson and CO. obviously put this whole scam together, most likely with the intent to hammer Bush with it before the election but the wheels in Washington didn't spin quick enough. So now they've tried to get it going in time for next year and now that the truth is starting to come out the whole house of cards is falling down.

David Gregory must really feel like an idiot right now. But notTerry Moran (or moron). He is as his name implies.

48 posted on 07/14/2005 10:27:35 PM PDT by blake6900
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To: pbrown

I'd much rather argue with a man, wouldn't you? It's a fairer fight........LOL.


49 posted on 07/14/2005 10:29:28 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Pikamax

It's a damn good thing we read it tonight, Pika; lord only knows how watered down it will be in the morning!


50 posted on 07/14/2005 10:30:16 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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