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The Real Ken Starr (from HILLARY'S SECRET WAR)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | July 15, 2005 | Richard Poe

Posted on 07/15/2005 5:46:12 AM PDT by Richard Poe

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WND Exclusive Commentary

HILLARY'S SECRET WAR

The real Ken Starr


Posted: July 15, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


Editor's note: The following is an eye-opening look into New York Times best-selling author Richard Poe's revealing book, "Hillary's Secret War." Whereas Edward Klein's book on the New York senator reveals previously unknown aspects of her personal life, Poe's expose focuses on how Hillary Clinton and the left's "shadow government" have labored to put her and her far-left agenda in the White House by controlling the still-uncensored flow of real news to Americans – via the Internet.

If that sounds too fantastic to be true, read on.

By Richard Poe
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

On May 26, 2003, former Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr had dinner with Jordan Wright. In addition to being an attorney, businessman and high-level Democrat activist, Wright was a trusted friend of Starr's. The former Clinton investigator opened his heart to Wright.

He told Wright that he had regrets about the Clinton investigation. His greatest regret, he told Wright, was that it had ruined his chance of being appointed to the Supreme Court. Wright later recounted, "He felt he lost control of the investigation at one point and he regrets that."

According to Wright, Starr told him, "I would love to have dinner with President and Sen. Clinton with Alice [Starr's wife]."

Starr must have known when he spoke these words that Wright would convey them to the Clintons. And so he did, though perhaps in a more public way than Starr had expected. Wright immediately went to the New York Post's "Page Six" gossip section and recounted what Starr had told him.

"Ken wants to see what the Clinton charm really is like. I can't imagine they won't like each other ..." Wright told "Page Six." "I think it would be the mother of all dinner parties, to get the Clintons and the Starrs together. I'd like to have it at my house."

"Page Six" ran the story on May 29, 2003. "Is nothing private?" snapped Starr, when the Post contacted him to confirm the story.

Clinton defenders got a kick out of Starr's reaction. Imagine the snoopy Ken Starr talking about privacy! In their mirth, Clinton supporters missed a more revealing aspect of the story.

For years, major media had painted Starr as a ruthless Republican partisan, a Christian fanatic consumed with moral outrage against the Clintons. Why, then, would Starr tell an influential Democrat operative that he wanted to socialize with the Clintons? And what was he doing chumming around with Democrat operatives in the first place?

The story revealed a side of Starr which mass media had carefully concealed during the five years he served as independent counsel. It gave us a glimpse of the real Ken Starr.

The Starr myth lives on

Go to Snopes.com and type in "Clinton body count." Snopes is a putatively non-partisan, apolitical website devoted to debunking "urban legends." Journalists frequently rely on Snopes to tell them which Internet rumors they should or should not take seriously. The entry for "Clinton body count" contains these words:

We shouldn't have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the chief executive couldn't boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?
Later on, the entry zeroes in on the Vincent Foster case:
On 10 October 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr released his report on the investigation into Foster's death, the third such investigation (after ones conducted by the coroner and Starr's predecessor, Robert B. Fiske) of the matter ... If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the investigation prematurely. Or are we to believe Starr is part of the cover-up, too?

Snopes' question draws its rhetorical force from the Starr Myth – the presumption that Kenneth Starr was everything major media told us he was. The mythical Ken Starr would, of course, never overlook any opportunity to charge the Clintons with wrongdoing.

But the real Ken Starr was made of mushier stuff. Much evidence suggests that Hillary's Shadow Team succeeded in infiltrating, manipulating, intimidating and ultimately corrupting the Starr investigation – and very likely Ken Starr, himself.

As of this writing, the Snopes entry cited above is 7,561 words in length. It offers detailed rebuttals of 48 allegations of violence, suicide, murder and suspicious deaths commonly linked to the Clintons, including the death of Vincent Foster. Despite its appearance of thoroughness, however, the Snopes analysis makes no mention of former Associate Independent Counsel Miquel Rodriguez.

The whistleblower

Rodriguez blew the whistle on Ken Starr in March 1995. But no one listened.

Starr hired Rodriguez in September 1994 to lead the grand jury investigation of Vincent Foster's death. A Harvard Law School graduate with a keen interest in civil-rights cases, Rodriguez was, as NewsMax.com founder Christopher Ruddy wrote in "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster," "a bohemian among law enforcement types – the only federal prosecutor who wore a pony-tail."

"He had no ideological investment in the matter," writes British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton." "Indeed, when he arrived from California with his ponytail, his earring, and his leather jackets, there were comments among the hard-liners that Kenneth Starr had gone too far in his efforts to recruit Democrats, liberals and ethnic minorities to his team."

The hard-liners were wrong. Rodriguez turned out to be an unusually honest and courageous public servant. He resigned in protest after less than six months on the job, calling the Foster probe a sham. Major media refused to run his story. His career stopped dead. Rodriguez returned to his old job of assistant U.S. attorney in Sacramento, where he remains to this day.

Many people, when confronted with Rodriguez's story, ask how such a massive cover-up could occur without more people stepping forward. Rodriguez addressed that question in a taped statement that was later posted to the Internet.

"Everyone makes a very big mistake when they believe a lot of people are necessary to orchestrate some results," he said. "All people need to know is what their job is, not why – be a good soldier, carry out the orders." A couple of people in positions of authority would suffice, says Rodriguez, to "control the central figures in the investigation."

Regarding the claim that several investigations ruled Foster's death a suicide, Rodriguez says, "In fact, all of the investigations were done by the same people, the FBI."

Servant of power

During the Clinton impeachment, major media portrayed Kenneth Starr as an aggressive prosecutor and a determined Clinton foe. He was neither.

When Starr took charge of the Whitewater investigation, he had never prosecuted a criminal case in his life. He worked on the Clinton probe half-heartedly and part-time, allowing subordinates to do most of the work, while Starr focused on his private law practice. Starr's right-hand man, Deputy Independent Counsel Mark H. Tuohey III, was a left-wing Democrat with close personal ties to the Clinton White House.

Starr's team abounded with Washington bureaucrats who, in Rodriguez's words, "will say and do what they have to, to move up the ladder ..."

A consummate Washington insider and team player, Starr strove, above all, to avoid making enemies. When things got hot, he tried to abandon the investigation half-finished.

He announced in January 1997 that he had accepted a deanship at Pepperdine University and would resign as independent counsel as of Aug. 1. Only a hailstorm of criticism from conservatives shamed Starr into withdrawing his resignation and agreeing to stay on the job. In hindsight, it would have been better to let him leave.

"He is by character a servant of power ..." wrote Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in 1997. "He will never confront the U.S. Justice Department, the FBI, and the institutions of permanent government in Washington. His whole career has been built on networking, by ingratiating himself. His natural loyalties lie with the politico-legal fraternity that covered up the Foster case in the first place."

Good cop, bad cop

In August 1994, when the three-judge panel charged with selecting independent counsels picked Kenneth Starr, the White House spin machine went into overdrive. Clinton spinmeisters made a great show of outrage, accusing Starr of being a "partisan" Republican with a vendetta. But it was all an act, "the greatest Mutt and Jeff, Good Cop-Bad Cop routine ever perpetrated on the American public," according to Christopher Ruddy.

Privately, the Clintons celebrated Starr's appointment. So says Nolanda Hill, longtime lover and business associate of late Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. "[W]hen Starr was appointed, they were opening champagne bottles in the White House, they were celebrating," she told Ruddy, who quoted her in a July 1, 1999, NewsMax.com column titled, "Ken Starr – Clinton's Accomplice."

In fact, said Hill, Starr had been on Janet Reno's "short list" for special counsel before she appointed Robert Fiske to the post. "They would never have put him on the short list if they were worried about him," said Hill.

If Hill's story is true, it suggests that the Clintons believed they had a hold over Starr, something with which to control, pressure, or blackmail him. But what was it?

Conflict of interest

Ruddy notes that Starr shared some unlikely business partners with the Clintons. "During the time Starr was investigating the Clintons, Starr was working for a company wholly owned by China's Peoples Liberation Army and notorious arms dealer Wang Jun," writes Ruddy.

Wang Jun was one of Starr's personal legal clients. While serving as independent counsel, Starr simultaneously argued a case before the National Labor Relations Board on behalf of one of Wang's companies, CitiSteel, a subsidiary of CITIC. Wang Jun serves as chairman of CITIC, but the company is wholly owned by the Peoples' Liberation Army of China. Starr won the case for his Chinese clients.

In addition to being a major arms dealer, Wang Jun is also a high-level Chinese military intelligence operative and one of the major players in the Chinagate scandal. In ordinary times, the mere fact that Ken Starr was on Wang Jun's payroll would have disqualified him from acting as independent counsel. But these were not ordinary times.

Hill told Ruddy that Starr's entire investigative team had been infiltrated by Clinton operatives. Even the FBI agents assigned to Starr "were not working for Ken Starr in his Whitewater probe but for Reno and the White House, giving the Clinton administration de facto control over the Starr investigations," writes Ruddy.

Case closed

Ken Starr hired Miquel Rodriguez as lead prosecutor for the Vincent Foster investigation in September 1994. Soon after, Rodriguez was told that he was expected to back up the conclusion of the earlier Fiske report – that Foster had committed suicide. Rodriguez refused. He insisted on conducting a real investigation. But the harder he tried, the more resistance he got from Starr's team.

The last straw came on Jan. 5, 1995, when the Scripps Howard News Service ran a story claiming that "sources familiar with the Starr inquiry," said that Kenneth Starr was ready to announce that Vincent Foster "committed suicide for reasons unrelated to the Whitewater controversy."

Rodriguez was furious. He had just begun grand jury proceedings the day before. Who on earth would have leaked the news that the probe was finished? Rodriguez stuck it out for a few more weeks, but finally resigned in March. "As an ethical person, I don't believe I could be involved in what they were doing," he told Ruddy.

Rodriguez's sudden resignation could have exploded in scandal. But Big Media virtually ignored it. Indeed, Rodriguez claims that he tried to go public with his story, giving extensive interviews to reporters from Time, Newsweek, ABC's "Nightline," the Boston Globe, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and the New York Times. Rodriguez says he spent six hours with the New York Times reporter alone. To all of them, Rodriguez told the same story: Starr's probe of Vincent Foster's death was a sham.

"I was told what the result [of the Starr investigation] was going to be from the get-go," Rodriguez later said in a taped conversation, posted to the Internet. "This is all so much nonsense – I knew the result before the investigation began, that's why I left. I don't do investigations to justify a result."

None of the news organizations which interviewed Rodriguez aired or published his account. Several reporters admitted to Rodriguez that their editors had spiked the story. Rodriguez also claims that FBI agents bullied him, making threats against his family and his "personal well-being," if he did not shut up. "The FBI told me to back off, back down. I have been communicated with again and been told to be careful where I tread," says Rodriguez.

To this day, Rodriguez still serves as an assistant U.S. attorney in Sacramento.

On July 15, 1997, Ken Starr reached his inevitable conclusion. He issued a statement saying, "Mr. Foster committed suicide by gunshot in Fort Marcy Park, Va., on July 20, 1993."

That ended the matter for official Washington. But the Web Underground, which had followed the case closely from the beginning, boiled with rage. Foster's unsolved death would take on a significance among the cyber-rebels not unlike that of the Alamo for Texas freedom fighters.

Hillary Clinton likewise displayed an obsession with Foster's death, for reasons which have never been satisfactorily explained. The obstruction of any and all serious efforts to probe Foster's death remained the highest priority of Hillary's Shadow Team for years.

Richard Poe is the investigative editor of David Horowitz's Center for the Study of Popular Culture, as well as managing editor of Horowitz's group blog Moonbat Central. The views expressed in Poe's book, "Hillary's Secret War," are the author's own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Center for the Study of Popular Culture.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bookexcerpt; citic; evanspritchard; hillaryclinton; hillaryssecretwar; kennethstarr; kenstarr; miquelrodriguez; richardpoe; ronbrown; vincentfoster; wangjun
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1 posted on 07/15/2005 5:46:13 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Jim Robinson; doug from upland; Alamo-Girl; Grampa Dave; Peach; nutmeg; isom35; clyde260; ...

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF of my Hillary’s Secret War ping list.

2 posted on 07/15/2005 5:49:38 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
Please let me know if you want ON or OFF of my Hillary’s Secret War ping list.

Put me on it.

Thanks.

3 posted on 07/15/2005 5:52:47 AM PDT by bookworm100
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To: bookworm100
bookworm100: "Put me on it.

I think you're on the list already. Didn't you get a ping when I posted this?

4 posted on 07/15/2005 5:57:40 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

Excellent book and must read for freepers to understand how the left uses opinion shapers to come to sites ilke this one to sway public opinion.


5 posted on 07/15/2005 6:01:01 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Richard Poe

Thanks for putting me on your ping list.

Your excellent oped/thesis here has confirmed what I felt about Ken Starr for years.

Makes one wonder if someone like George Soros was involved in a behind the scene selection of Ken Starr to "investigate" Bubba.


6 posted on 07/15/2005 6:02:18 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Peach
Peach writes: "Excellent book..."

Thank you, Peach! And thanks for all the kind words you have written about Hillary's Secret War in the past.

7 posted on 07/15/2005 6:02:56 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
Didn't you get a ping when I posted this?

Yes.

8 posted on 07/15/2005 6:04:23 AM PDT by bookworm100
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To: Richard Poe

You are more than welcome, Richard. The praise is more than deserved. It taught me a lot about how the left operates at sites like this one.

It also explains why a few resident trolls are permitted to stay here :-)


9 posted on 07/15/2005 6:05:36 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Richard Poe

Please add me to your ping list...thanks.


10 posted on 07/15/2005 6:06:15 AM PDT by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa Dave: "Your excellent oped/thesis here has confirmed what I felt about Ken Starr for years. Makes one wonder if someone like George Soros was involved in a behind the scene selection of Ken Starr to "investigate" Bubba."

Thanks, Grampa. I always appreciate your remarks about "$oreA$$," LOL.

11 posted on 07/15/2005 6:08:59 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
He told Wright that he had regrets about the Clinton investigation. His greatest regret, he told Wright, was that it had ruined his chance of being appointed to the Supreme Court.

Starr was a pi$$-poor Special Prosecutor, I'm glad he's not in the running for the Supreme Court!

12 posted on 07/15/2005 6:16:41 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Thank GOD There's a Cowboy in the White House!)
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To: Richard Poe
I think you're on the list already. Didn't you get a ping when I posted this?

I replied to your message about being put on your ping list because I had not originally asked to be on the list.

I assumed that your question implied you would remove people who did not respond.

13 posted on 07/15/2005 6:17:24 AM PDT by bookworm100
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To: Richard Poe

add me too, pls. thx


14 posted on 07/15/2005 6:17:53 AM PDT by lunarbicep ("Becoming a politician is the only step down I could take from being a journalist." Jim Hightower)
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To: Richard Poe

Thanks re my little pen name for Soros, $oreA$$.

It is amazing even among the great freepers how little was known about this vile human until the last election.

Now, when I read a post about some organization I know nothing about hating GW, our Military, and America, I do a search on the organization and Soros. It is amazing what those searches reveal re the depth of $oreA$$'s widespread penetration into this country.


15 posted on 07/15/2005 6:24:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: Richard Poe

Can't wait to get the book...I am stopping on the way home:) Thanks Richard.


16 posted on 07/15/2005 6:26:45 AM PDT by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: bookworm100

Who remembers when foster body was announced to be found in his car, then suddenly he was found in ft. marcy park. And who else remembers the "un-named source" that day that said.... apparently there were semen stains in VF's underwear that didnt belong to him.

Now no reporter ever raised the question that genetic tests required to make such a statement would require days of analysis, back then.


17 posted on 07/15/2005 6:26:49 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: bookworm100
bookworm100: "I assumed that your question implied you would remove people who did not respond."

Oh. Sorry for the unclarity. I forget why I put you on the list. I think you showed some enthusiasm for my book on a previous list, so I added you. I also included people who are mentioned in my book, and some others, for other reasons.

18 posted on 07/15/2005 6:27:35 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 07/15/2005 6:29:30 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bookworm100

Oops. "...previous list," = "...previous thread,"


20 posted on 07/15/2005 6:32:38 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
Nice post....

Very nice book....

It's just a shame..that the American Sheeple just keep getting sheared.

I wonder how Mr. Rodriguez...is doing these days. That whole episode had to be a foul smelling eye-opener for him. I hope and pray it didn't ruin his "values".

FRegards,

21 posted on 07/15/2005 6:33:01 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is darker than the devil's riding boots..................................)
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To: FairfaxVA
FairfaxVA writes: "Can't wait to get the book...I am stopping on the way home:)"

Thanks! Amazon.com is selling a limited number of copies at a special bargain price of $7.99 (regular price: $25.99) — in case you're interested.

22 posted on 07/15/2005 6:39:35 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe

23 posted on 07/15/2005 6:40:41 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Richard Poe

I bought your book but it has not been delivered yet. I look forward to reading it.

Thank you for the link at comment #13 at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442911/posts?page=6#6


24 posted on 07/15/2005 6:42:55 AM PDT by bookworm100
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To: Osage Orange
Osage Orange: "I wonder how Mr. Rodriguez...is doing these days. That whole episode had to be a foul smelling eye-opener for him. I hope and pray it didn't ruin his `values.'"

By his "values," do you mean his leftwing, bohemian countercultural values? LOL. I'd have to imagine the experience had some impact in that area.

Then again, his persecution might have just reinforced his bohemianism, a la Serpico.

Someone should make a movie about Miquel Rodriguez. Oliver Stone would be the perfect director. Too bad Stone works for the bad guys.

25 posted on 07/15/2005 7:22:36 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: The Sons of Liberty
The Sons of Liberty: "Starr was a pi$$-poor Special Prosecutor, I'm glad he's not in the running for the Supreme Court!"

Unfortunately, I wouldn't count Starr out yet. If he wanted to meet with the Clintons, he must have wanted something from them. A single word from Hillary could transform Starr into the Democrats' favorite candidate for the Supreme Court, and Starr knows it.

Hillary's endorsement would compel the Dems to embrace Starr just as they suddenly turned around and embraced Alberto Gonzales, whom they had previously accused of being a latter-day Josef Mengele.

Think of what an asset Starr could be to the Dems. In a horse trade over Supreme Court appointments, the Dems could count Starr as a "conservative." In exchange for approving Starr, they could demand that Bush appoint an ultra-leftist radical to the court. Then the Dems would get a twofer — two Supreme Court justices, one radical, one "conservative" — but both taking orders from Hillary.

26 posted on 07/15/2005 7:42:40 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
"Snopes is a putatively non-partisan, apolitical website..."

Bvllshit.

NObody who's ever been there would ever believe 'Snopes' is non-partisan or does not have an agenda.

Go there yourself and findout.

27 posted on 07/15/2005 7:47:52 AM PDT by Redbob
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Starr has been "Quayled"... I dont think he will ever make the short list


28 posted on 07/15/2005 7:55:47 AM PDT by woofie (I Predict...... Dr. Neil Clark Warren will someday kill his wife and stop being pleasant to others)
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To: Richard Poe
Are you familiar with where the "body count" list originated?
29 posted on 07/15/2005 7:58:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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To: Richard Poe

...For years, major media had painted Starr as a ruthless Republican partisan, a Christian fanatic consumed with moral outrage against the Clintons. Why, then, would Starr tell an influential Democrat operative that he wanted to socialize with the Clintons? And what was he doing chumming around with Democrat operatives in the first place?...

I've said all along, Starr got paid by the same people who bought the Clintons and over half the Senate.

The real scandal was the Chinese money.

Still is.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Snopes recieving some financial aid as well.


30 posted on 07/15/2005 7:59:44 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: Richard Poe

Wonderful book. Please add me to your ping list.


31 posted on 07/15/2005 8:08:06 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: zeugma
zeugma: "Are you familiar with where the `body count' list originated?"

I've read several versions of the origin story, and don't know which one to believe.

32 posted on 07/15/2005 8:11:56 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Peach
how the left uses opinion shapers to come to sites ilke this one to sway public opinion.

That explains it, I wonder if some of these leftists types who are regular freepers actually work for the left?
33 posted on 07/15/2005 8:12:44 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Redbob
I wrote: "Snopes is a putatively non-partisan, apolitical website..."

Redbob responded: "Bvllshit. NObody who's ever been there would ever believe 'Snopes' is non-partisan or does not have an agenda. Go there yourself and find out."

Take it easy, Redbob! I agree with you. The word "putatively" means "supposedly."

34 posted on 07/15/2005 8:15:20 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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woofie writes: "Starr has been `Quayled'... I dont think he will ever make the short list."

Well, maybe. But the standards are different.

Quayle was running for elected office. Starr's appointment would be an inside job.

To get a Supreme Court appointment, Starr would only need the "consent" of the Senate. If the Dems gave him the thumbs up (at Hillary's command), Starr would be a shoo-in. The Republicans would approve Starr out of sheer moral exhaustion and physical relief at being able to appoint someone without the usual eyeball-gouging match with the Dems.

35 posted on 07/15/2005 8:31:31 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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To: Richard Poe
By his "values," do you mean his leftwing, bohemian countercultural values? LOL. I'd have to imagine the experience had some impact in that area.

LOL!!

Well..that's why I placed values in quotation marks. What I tried to say was...I hope it didn't mess up his sense of right, and continuing to do the "right" thing.

( Even some lefty bohemian's have that sense, don't they? hehehe )

FRegards,

36 posted on 07/15/2005 9:30:59 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is darker than the devil's riding boots..................................)
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To: Richard Poe

Red Starr on the SCOTUS?

That's all we need is another Chinese agent in a position of power.


37 posted on 07/15/2005 9:36:13 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: Richard Poe

Please add me to the ping list.


38 posted on 07/15/2005 9:50:46 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: Richard Poe
Even BEFORE and DURING the faux impeachment it was obvious Starr was a democrat shill.. Prosecuting Clinton for sexual indiscretions itself was a travesty.. and a setup for republicans to be pilloried.. And they SHOULD HAVE BEEN pilloried for allowing that to happen.. The Clintons REAL crimes to this day never been addressed.. The travel office thing was small potatoes..

Selling China a complete intact Naval Base in California was not small potatoes.. Didn't happen, but almost did happen.. and a hundred other crimes was committed by the Clintons..

To this day Washington D.C. is a sewer in every way.. politically and even in local government.. It should be raised and re-built..

And Bush is a, "Unite'er and Not a Divide'er".. protecting the cabal at the top of this food chain.. Bush KEPT most all the Clinton appointees after he was inaugerated.. Putting the RINO Alberto Gonzalez in as AG is a bad sign.. But then, Bush has spent most of his term Uniteing with democrats.. From the moment Bush came out to run in the primarys I was thinking he was like "Ken Starr".. a shill to replace the main "perp".. The war in Iraq was a brilliant diversion from "our borders", still is..

The democrats SHOULD be loving George Bush.. but the MSM has done him like Ken Starr.. and it has WORKED TOO.. Starr was a shill and Bush is a shill.. Bushbots are so stupid.. OR maybe they are SHILLS TOO...

39 posted on 07/15/2005 10:26:43 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Richard Poe

Would you please put me on this ping list?


40 posted on 07/15/2005 10:52:04 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SuzyQue; Richard Poe

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/9/22/85323


41 posted on 07/15/2005 11:00:58 AM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: hosepipe
hosepipe writes: "Bushbots are so stupid..."

Hmm. I'd be interested to know which 20th-century presidents you would consider to have been superior to Bush.

And whom would you prefer in his stead, among the available choices in contemporary public life?

42 posted on 07/15/2005 11:01:49 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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And whom would you prefer in his stead, among the available choices in contemporary public life?

Would "none of the above" work?

43 posted on 07/15/2005 11:07:41 AM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Richard Poe
Pls keep me posted also.

Great work.

44 posted on 07/15/2005 11:09:40 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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I wrote: "And whom would you prefer in his stead, among the available choices in contemporary public life?"

carenot replies: "Would `none of the above' work?"

Does it work? Well... let's say it's not the most practical plan I've heard proposed. ;-D

45 posted on 07/15/2005 11:20:07 AM PDT by Richard Poe
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I remember seeing Ruddy interviewed on Hardball write after he wrote his book. With Matthews was an author who had written a book mildly critical of Clinton and a conservative (Byron York, I think) & all three got all over him. They wouldn't let Ruddy get in a word edgewise. Rodriguez was never brought up.

Ruddy was shouted down but not debunked. I thought it was pretty strange.

46 posted on 07/15/2005 11:27:17 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Richard Poe
[ Hmm. I'd be interested to know which 20th-century presidents you would consider to have been superior to Bush. And whom would you prefer in his stead, among the available choices in contemporary public life? ]

a) Nixon...
b) Gingrich..

Note**..
Actually I didn't like any 20th century presidents.. and Gingrich hasn't chance in hell at being Potus.. As Ann Coulter said of american voters.. 20% are conservative, 20% are liberal, and 60% are morons.. but I would add that 50% of the conservatives are RINOs.. which would make 90% of the american voting public MORONS.. 20%+10%+60%=90%..

I voted for Dubya twice and his Daddy three times Pr+Vice+Vice...
Obviously I'm ONE OF THE MORONS...

47 posted on 07/15/2005 11:33:44 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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[ Would "none of the above" work? ]

LoL...

48 posted on 07/15/2005 11:35:12 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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Well, for once, Snopes.com actually got it right. I'd never seen their write up until I was about to post this reply and did a quick google on "linda thompson body count". The list originally started way back before this internet thingy was big time. I was a contributor on her "Motherboard" BBS when we first started noticing all the strange "coincidental" deaths that seemed to follow Bill & Hillary. There was a lot of weirdness going on back then, and the Body Count was only the tip of the iceberg.
49 posted on 07/15/2005 12:04:26 PM PDT by zeugma (Democrats and muslims are varelse...)
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zeugma writes: "I was a contributor on her `Motherboard' BBS when we first started noticing all the strange `coincidental' deaths that seemed to follow Bill & Hillary."

Hmm. If they let me do a second edition of Hillary's Secret War, I should interview you. Would you mind sending me a Freepmail with your contact info?

50 posted on 07/15/2005 12:29:16 PM PDT by Richard Poe
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