posted on 07/15/2005 6:52:48 AM PDT
I wonder if they'll ask President Clinton why his administration didn't pursue this properly?
posted on 07/15/2005 6:54:06 AM PDT
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: doug from upland
posted on 07/15/2005 6:57:06 AM PDT
http://www.sydweedon.com/Resources/OKC.htm < > The OKC Bombing Was the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building the work of a larger conspiracy of terrorists? There are three basic threads of conspiracy theory in the speculation about the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. I have given them place names for shorthand based on the locus of their explanations: The Waco Theory This is the governments position. One lone wacko, Timothy McVeigh, acting in concert with a second lone wacko, Terry Nichols, with erstwhile emotional/logistical support from lone wacko Michael Fortier, blew up the Murrah Building with a truck bomb made with ammonia nitrate and fuel oil. They did this to avenge the attack on the Branch Davidian compound at Mt. Carmel near Waco, Texas. The Elohim City Theory This thread connects McVeigh to the white separatist compound at Elohim City in eastern Oklahoma and a mysterious German illegal alien by the name of Andreas Strassmeir to whom McVeigh placed telephone calls shortly before the bombing of the Murrah building. This thread is supported by the activities and testimony of an ATF confidential informant by the name of Carol Howe and the research of investigative journalist David Hoffman. There are two sub-threads to this theory: 1. The OKC bombing was a botched sting operation by the ATF that went terribly wrong and was subsequently covered up. Motivations for this scenario are complex but intriguing. If the ATF was able to swoop in at the last moment, defuse the bomb (or appear to defuse a bomb already made safe by the undercover operative) the public relations impact would be enormous. The ATF would be seen as saving America from dangerous domestic terrorists; the patriot/militia movement could be discredited; and John Doe #2, who was thought to be an informant, could be allowed to escape and penetrate more deeply into the terrorist organization with enhanced credibility since he would be viewed as a "hero," while McVeigh would take the fall. 2. The OKC bombing was a successful attack by neo-Nazis and/or rogue operatives of U.S. intelligence and federal law enforcement but was covered up because ATF informants and other government intelligence assets were involved. Revenge for the execution of Richard Wayne Snell, a Covenant, Sword, and Arm of the Lord member convicted of killing an Arkansas state trooper and a pawn shop owner figures into the motive in this scenario. Snell was executed on the same day as the OKC bombing, April 19, 1995. Richard Millar, patriarch of Elohim City was with Snell at the prison and watched news reports of the bombing on television prior to Snell's execution. Millar then brought Snell's body back to Elohim City for burial there. It is known that Snell had planned just such an attack and cased the Murrah Building ten years earlier. The Manila Theory This thread is the Islamic terrorist thread which is based upon reported contacts between Terry Nichols and Abu Sayef terrorists in the Philippines who put him in touch with Ramzi Youssef, the Al Qaeda operative who planned the 1993 WTC bombing, and Iraqi intelligence assets. This theory is strengthened by numerous reports of Islamic terrorist cells operating in Oklahoma following the settlement in that area of some 5,000 Iraqi refugees following the Gulf War. Of the three theories, the thread I have named "The Waco Theory" is the weakest. There is simply too much conflicting testimony and loose ends to believe that this attack was limited to the dynamic duo of McVeigh and Nichols. In terms of connections, conflicting and suppressed testimony, and eye witness accounts of strange things that went on around the Murrah building on the morning of the explosion, "The Elohim City Theory" is perhaps the strongest. "The Manila Theory" largely depends on the deathbed confession of a Philippine intelligence operative who places Nichols and Youssef together, but in this post 9-11 world, the Iraqi-Al Qaeda connection is receiving renewed interest and scrutiny. A lawsuit filed recently against the government of Iraq has served to substantially bolster this thread. The Manila thread is also supported by some interesting circumstantial evidence based in the movements of Nichols and Youssef in the Philippines. The Manila and Elohim theories are not mutually exclusive. There is a bit a bleed-through between the two. Some witnesses reported that one of the John Doe's seen speeding away from the scene of the crime in a brown Chevy pickup was a "dark skinned male" with the implication being a middle eastern rather than African complexion. Some of the suppressed statements from federal officials indicate that there was some warning or premonition that a terror attack was about to occur and the warnings come from both the Elohim connection and Islamic terrorist concerns. The explosion analysis evidence from Gen. Partin can be seen as supporting either thread, but to my eye tends to support the Elohim scenario a bit better, since it is hard to see how middle eastern terrorists would be able to get into the Murrah building and set cutter charges. There is an ideological point of connection between neo-Nazi's and radical Islamic terrorists. They both share a lethal hatred of Jews. There appears to be long-standing relationships which existed between Iraqi intelligence operatives and some of the players in the Elohim City orbit. Kelley O'Meara reports: Dennis Mahon is long suspected of being a player in the conspiracy to bomb the Murrah building. Mahon is described in Jones' book as "a virulent racist and avowed enemy of the U.S. government" and is a high-ranking member of the White Aryan Resistance (WAR) movement. The defense team reports that its investigation shows "the Iraqi government has given Dennis Mahon thousands of dollars over the past six years, and Mahon has been banned from entering Canada and the United Kingdom and is classified by Interpol as an international terrorist." The FBI did not bother to interview Mahon in connection to the Oklahoma City bombing. -- from Iraq Connections to U.S. Extremists< > I buy the last one The others let Clinton off the hook
posted on 07/15/2005 7:02:44 AM PDT
Did they also fail to check out McVeigh's ties to the IRA? No? Then how about the BSA (that radical green-uniformed group of extremist American teenagers)? Or how about FARC, ELN, AUC, PFLP, DFLP, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Ansar Al Islam, Tamil Tigers, Abu Nidal, Abu Sayyaf, or Abu BooBoo Bear. The disappearance of that picanic basket is very suspicious.
posted on 07/15/2005 7:13:33 AM PDT
(That light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash.)
"Right Wing connection" h**l! Try Middle Eastern. Nothing like looking at the OBVIOUS evidence and then looking 180 degrees the other way, seems to be a government disease, meanwhile endangering us all.
posted on 07/15/2005 7:16:30 AM PDT
(We lift up Pvt. Johnny Chrzenowski in prayer, recovering from burns received in an RPG ambush, Iraq.)
To: GlockGrrl; truthaboveall; doug from upland
J.D. has crawled out of his hole again...
And this time, he's quoting the only "DOJ official" I called (in print) a flat-out liar...
posted on 07/15/2005 7:45:54 AM PDT
(Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
John Doe #2
"Even spoken with their identities hidden because of fears of retribution, the explosive statements are especially surprising now, coming as they do on the heels of a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision that journalists may be jailed if they refuse to reveal sources in federal cases. " --- somehow the media always has to play the victim card
--- IMHO, the theory that they ATF & FBI were not focusing on so called 'right wing' groups in order to paint McVeigh & Nichols as lone wolves doesn't make any sense.
Clinton got on the TV & said that the attack was the result of Rush Limbaugh and right wing talk radio, don't you think that if the Clintonistas could have built a case (in the media if not in the courts) that the right wing did the bombing they would have.
Makes no logical sense that the Clintons would try to force fit the evidence in the opposite direction.
posted on 07/15/2005 8:09:14 AM PDT
(If allah is just another name for the Judeo-Christian God, why do the islamics pray to a rock?)
posted on 07/15/2005 8:42:27 AM PDT
by Mrs Zip
posted on 07/15/2005 9:17:49 AM PDT
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