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To: DTA

My bad on the war crimes accusation. I did read it wrong.

From what I have heard, the incident at Sejekovac was a gun battle that left between 24-27 Serbs dead. If it was a massacre of civilians then I can only hope the perps were brought to justice and I will not make any excuses for the conduct of the HV units involved.

What I don't understand is how this somehow justifies or explains why the Serbs would then sweep through the Eastern regions and surround Sarajevo. How is attacking Musilms a response to a Croat attack? Again, it was this kind of "response" to enemy attacks that cost the Serbs the PR war (I wouldn't say the Serbs lost the whole war - they lost Krajina and Western Bosnia and ended up winning in the north and east, minus Gorazde).


51 posted on 07/18/2005 2:05:46 PM PDT by johnnyBbad
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To: johnnyBbad
Sarajevo was divided into Serb sections and Muslims sections. Serbs lived in parts of Sarajevo such as Grabovica and Ilidza. The line of confrontation ran through the middle of the city practically - not far from the Holiday Inn.

The Muslims were launching attacks on the Serb parts - including shelling Ilidza from Mount Igman:

http://157.150.195.28/icty/transe29/020704IT.htm

Testimony from WITNESS: RICHARD MOLE [Lieutenant-Colonel Richard Mole]

Q. Thank you. Are you aware of an attack which took place -- are you aware of the attacks coming from Mount Igman on the 4th and 8th of December, 1992?

A. I would not be specific about the 4th and 8th of December, 1992, because it was a frequent occurrence that the weapons on Mount Igman were used in the conflict, and I recall specifically that they were used and fired upon the area of Ilidza.

Q. Thank you for your answer, Witness.

When you say, "Ilidza," are you referring to a civilian area?

A. Of course. The whole battle area was occupied by civilians, hence, it is a city called Sarajevo.

Q. Thank you very much. So are you telling us that Muslim forces had opened fire on an area in Sarajevo?

A. On Ilidza, yes.

Q. That is a part of Sarajevo, on an area in Sarajevo?

A. It is a suburb of Sarajevo.

53 posted on 07/18/2005 2:15:13 PM PDT by joan
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To: johnnyBbad
Extracts from the testimony of James Philipe Cutler. The Bosnian side would often be the first to start launching attacks of the day:

http://www.un.org/icty/transe29/020524ED.htm

WITNESS: JAMES PHILIPE CUTLER

“Yes. I am Mr. but ex -- retired Lieutenant-Colonel James Philipe Cutler…Yes, I am retired from the New Zealand Army and I was an officer in the Royal New Zealand Regiment for 32 years…Yes, I arrived from New Zealand on the 29th of November and was posted -- I flew into Sarajevo as a senior military observer on the 21st of December, 1992, and officially took over from Lieutenant-Colonel Richard Mole on the day after Christmas, [Realtime transcript read in error " "] the 26th of December, 1992.

Q. Colonel Cutler, during the course of your tenure in Sarajevo, do you -- or did you receive any information that the army of Bosnia-Herzegovina was using the hospital grounds to launch mortars?

A. Yes, there had been a lot of rumours floating around that, in fact, mortars were being used or various United Nations installations, the locations of the Egyptian and Ukrainian battalion, and in particular, the Kosevo hospital had been used to screen firing of mortars by the Presidency forces.

On the -- I was obviously delighted that on the second week in January, I think it was on the 12th of January, a colonel sergeant from the British Cheshire regiment, who had been in charge of mortars, asked to see me. He had been asking who he could give a statement to. I welcomed him into my office and I took a statement from him that involved him witnessing the fire of a mortar, an 82-millimetre mortar, from adjacent to the Kosevo hospital. I think it was early afternoon. The Colonel sergeant had been escorting a convoy of fuel to that hospital. He and his crew observed this mortar firing five rounds from the hospital, adjacent to the hospital grounds, as part of the hospital grounds.… On leaving the hospital grounds, which would have been in the order of 30 minutes later, the hospital came under mortar, artillery, and anti-aircraft fire…

In the February-March period, that was – seemed to be particularly evident to the stage where we would get up in the morning, 6.00, no activity whatsoever and then we would hear a couple of "pop pops" which were obviously outgoing mortar fire from the Bosnian, and within a short few minutes later, there would be incoming fire, and normally the incoming fire would be more than two rounds. If two rounds were fired out, it would be something in the order of 10 to 15 rounds would be incoming…

So you would hear outgoing fire from the Presidency side, the Bosnian side, followed by incoming?

A. Correct.


54 posted on 07/18/2005 2:31:49 PM PDT by joan
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