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Kansas: Williams Approved Gifts To Graduating Players
AP ^ | Fri Jul 15, 3:38:27 PM EST | AP

Posted on 07/15/2005 1:07:03 PM PDT by SuperSonic

LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) - An internal review at the University of Kansas implicates former basketball coach Roy Williams in a violation of N-C-A-A rules.

The school says Williams, now the head coach at North Carolina, approved payments to graduating players and other players who had exhausted their eligibility. Kansas reported the violations to the N-C-A-A last month. They were among several involving the men's and women's basketball programs, and the football program, ending in 2003.

The university put the athletics department on two years' probation. It says there will be no television or post-season sanctions, but instead a reduction of scholarships in the football and women's basketball programs.

Williams left Kansas two years ago to become head coach at North Carolina and, last season led the Tar Heels to the national title.

U-N-C spokesman Steve Kirschner says Williams is out of town and unavailable for comment, but that the school would release a statement today.


TOPICS: US: Kansas; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: coachroywilliams; kansas; ku; ncaa; skippingoutscottfree; sports; unc

1 posted on 07/15/2005 1:07:05 PM PDT by SuperSonic
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To: Constitution Day

Its on the main board now.


2 posted on 07/15/2005 1:08:04 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: SuperSonic

A traitor (leaving KU for CommieU) AND a cheater!


3 posted on 07/15/2005 1:09:51 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: Phantom Lord

A traitor (leaving KU for CommieU) AND a cheater!


4 posted on 07/15/2005 1:10:41 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: andyland

I could care less. I hate basketball and have no interest what so ever in any college sport.


5 posted on 07/15/2005 1:11:54 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: andyland

So who gets punished? Some kids that will not get scholarships!!!


6 posted on 07/15/2005 1:12:36 PM PDT by Forrestfire ("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: SuperSonic

So what did he do, this article is clear as mud. Gifts, payments? Graduated, non-eligible players? Did he simply throw a few bucks to guys who left the school and were no longer playing to help them out financially? If so, big deal. Some of the NCAA rules are stupid anyway. I'll wait for more info before jumping here.


7 posted on 07/15/2005 1:13:55 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: SuperSonic

gifts to graduating players?

Who gives a $hit about that?

This is one of the reasons why the NCAA will be constantly a 2nd banana....


8 posted on 07/15/2005 1:14:07 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: Forrestfire

you're right - that's how it always works.

unc has already released a press release stating how good a guy Roy is, blah blah blah...


9 posted on 07/15/2005 1:14:32 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: SuperSonic

As a Marquette grad, if they cheated in 2003 (as it implies), then void their Final Four appearance.

:)

By the way, I say this also as a KU Masters graduate and IU Masters graduate.


10 posted on 07/15/2005 1:16:46 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: MikeinIraq
From ESPN.com "The school said three representatives of the university's "athletics interests" -- Dana Anderson, Joan Edwards and Bernard Morgan -- gave cash and clothing to graduating student athletes and other players who had exhausted their eligibility."

Gee, how awful. A few parting gifts. And for that some other young collegians won't get a scholarship. Stupid NCAA...
11 posted on 07/15/2005 1:19:24 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

GREAT Bad News Bears reference!

Living in NC I would also hope they would void last years National Championship.

Roy Williams = Jerry Tarkanian


12 posted on 07/15/2005 1:20:34 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: Phantom Lord

I note that it's not posted in Breaking News, though.

;^)


13 posted on 07/15/2005 1:22:09 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I am the Sultan of Oom-Papa-Mow-Mow.)
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To: TaxRelief; Alia; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; Aegedius; ...
Ruh Roh, Roy!

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day, TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
14 posted on 07/15/2005 1:24:14 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I am the Sultan of Oom-Papa-Mow-Mow.)
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To: SuperSonic

Roy learned from the best cheater of all...Dean Smith. Dean is a commie to boot...


15 posted on 07/15/2005 1:24:35 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: SuperSonic

Roy learned from the best cheater of all...Dean Smith. Dean is a commie to boot...


16 posted on 07/15/2005 1:24:51 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: Constitution Day

If the "students" had graduated, what's the NCAA's interest ?


17 posted on 07/15/2005 1:25:06 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: SuperSonic
...says there will be no television or post-season sanctions, but instead a reduction of scholarships in the football and women's basketball programs.

Why not the men's basketball program?

18 posted on 07/15/2005 1:28:35 PM PDT by andrew2527
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To: andrew2527

"Why not the men's basketball program?"

Great question. I'm awaiting Saint Roy's statement this afternoon.


19 posted on 07/15/2005 1:31:17 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

At least we didn't have to watch that cheating phony crying this year at the NCAA tourney. Of course, he had the best team that money could buy East of San Antonio.


20 posted on 07/15/2005 1:32:43 PM PDT by Imani
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To: Imani

He had Matt Doherty's team.

If only those outside of NC could see the REAL UNC....


21 posted on 07/15/2005 1:34:10 PM PDT by andyland (Morgan, Basnight, Black - the three little piggies)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Kansas Releases Self-Report To NCAA - Men's Basketball

Quote:

OVERVIEW

As a token of appreciation for their participation on the University's men's basketball team, some University supporters wanted to express their appreciation to team members who were either completing their eligibility or graduating from the University by providing them with nominal gifts, including cash or clothing. When the idea first came up, University representative Dana Anderson called and asked head men's basketball coach Roy Williams whether it would be permissible to give such a gift to the departing student-athletes. Williams reported that he checked with someone on the compliance staff and was told that it would be permissible because it would be similar to them receiving money for playing in barnstorming tours. Based on Williams' approval, Anderson, and then Morgan and Edwards, provided gifts to several departing men's basketball student-athletes.

CONCLUSION

The University's investigation, and the assessment of the credibility of information provided, revealed that violations of NCAA Bylaws 16.02 and 16.12 took place with respect to this issue.

(Found via PackPride.com)

22 posted on 07/15/2005 1:39:55 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I am the Sultan of Oom-Papa-Mow-Mow.)
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To: yall
Link for #22:

Kansas Releases Self-Report To NCAA - Men's Basketball

23 posted on 07/15/2005 1:44:09 PM PDT by Constitution Day (I am the Sultan of Oom-Papa-Mow-Mow.)
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To: andyland
If only those outside of NC could see the REAL UNC....

UNC - Beijing.

24 posted on 07/15/2005 2:06:16 PM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: Phantom Lord

Is this sour grapes from KU?


25 posted on 07/15/2005 2:48:35 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: aft_lizard

Not hardly, I just don't like Roy. I'm an Iowa football fan.


26 posted on 07/15/2005 4:39:50 PM PDT by Imani
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To: SuperSonic
Kansas: Williams Approved Gifts To Graduating Players

A diploma?

27 posted on 07/15/2005 6:10:24 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: SuperSonic; Constitution Day
Well, we've had the lurid front-page headlines in the Charlotte Observer and in the Raleigh News & Observer.

Here's what Roy Williams, and other interested parties, said today:

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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- UNC Head Coach Roy Williams, Athletic Director Dick Baddour, Chancellor James Moeser and former Kansas AD Bob Frederick respond to the self-report made by KU to the NCAA.

Roy Williams:

"For 15 years as head coach at the University of Kansas I tried to run a model program, adhering to all NCAA rules. We wanted a program that would positively represent the University and the integrity of our basketball program was always very important to me.

"I am deeply saddened to say there was evidently a mistake. I want to comment on this report at this time.

"It hurts me greatly to see some of the headlines and the news crawl across the bottom of the television saying some of the things that were printed last night and today. There may have been a mistake, but these sensational headlines do not portray a true picture of what took place.

"I also regret that these three people involved are seeing their names in this setting. They are three wonderful people who are leading citizens in their communities, have a great deal of love for the University of Kansas athletics and have this same love for all aspects of the University. They are nothing but great people!

"I will address the report as it pertains to each of the three individuals.

"1. I did speak with one alumnus and one alumnus only on the question of 'May I give these seniors a graduation gift?' I personally felt this was not a problem and evidently a communication problem led me to believe this was okay with our compliance department. Therefore, I told the alum a small 'gift' would be okay. I also stated the 'gift' shouldn't be extravagant and there should be no campaign for this just a personal graduation 'gift.'

"I did not know the rule that 'once you are a student-athlete, you are a student-athlete until death.'

"Kansas never gained a recruiting or competitive advantage the students had completed their eligibility and it was seen as a 'graduation gift.' I have never promised anything to a prospective student-athlete, including playing time.

"2. The self-report says that the second scenario of a 'graduation gift from an alum was a small gift of $25 to $100' and actually began before I was the head coach at Kansas. I never had any knowledge of these 'gifts' and therefore never gave 'approval.'

"3. The alumnus himself says in the report that I referred him to the KU compliance department and that is where he felt he received 'approval.' The 'gifts' in three instances were purchasing lifetime memberships to the university¹s alumni association and in one case the purchase of a suit of clothes for an individual. I never had any knowledge of these 'gifts' and therefore did not give my 'approval.'

"Men's basketball is mentioned two other times in this report. I am bothered by them, as well. In the spring of 2002, I regret that a mistake in reimbursement of travel expenses gave one prospective student-athlete $6.22 extra, another prospective student-athlete 23 cents extra and another prospective student-athlete 14 cents extra. I also regret that two walk-ons on the 2002-03 team were given four meals at the training table (at a value of $26) for which they were not properly charged.

"I don't believe there is any pattern of intentional wrongdoing in these cases, but they were mistakes.

"I love the University of Kansas and hate that this situation developed. I feel strongly that this does not paint a proper picture of my 15 years there. I am personally very hurt by what has happened. My integrity and reputation are extremely important to me and the initial media reports of these incidents have in some instances been extremely harsh.

"I take compliance with NCAA rules very seriously. If ever I do not, or the university leadership thinks I do not, it is time for me to move on. As always, my staff and I are committed to running a program in complete compliance with the rules. I will never do anything to embarrass this great university, just as I was committed to doing things the proper way at Kansas. I will continue to represent Carolina in a positive manner, always conducting myself as a person with great integrity."

University of North Carolina Chancellor James Moeser:

"I have absolute confidence in Roy Williams. We are proud to have him as our coach. Our program is in good hands. Roy and his staff pay close attention to NCAA rules and he competes with the highest of integrity."

University of North Carolina Director of Athletics Dick Baddour

"No one is more committed to complying with NCAA rules than Roy Williams. He and his staff have the utmost respect for doing things the right way. I am confident he received approval from the compliance staff at Kansas. I have never worked with a coach who is more serious about adhering to the rules than Coach Williams. He has proven that for more than 25 years. That is one of the reasons he has been and will continue to be one of the most respected coaches in the country."

Bob Frederick, University of Kansas Director of Athletics, 1987-2001:

"Because the NCAA is in the process of investigating a men's basketball matter, I am not going to comment on the specifics. But I want to say one thing about Roy Williams.

"In all my years of intercollegiate athletics, there has never been anyone I worked with who was more scrupulous about working within the rules, asking questions about the rules, and being committed to the rules than Coach Williams. He ran a model program at Kansas in every respect. If there was a mistake in this matter, it was a communications mistake, because Roy Williams would never knowingly violate a rule. And everyone who worked around him at that time knows that to be the case.

"If this matter had been reported (to the NCAA) as a single issue, I am confident it would be dealt with as a secondary rules violation."

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It is an unfortunate fact of life that whenever anyone reaches the top of his profession, be it politics, business, or sports, there will always be those who assume that the success was ill-gotten -- or, who will latch on to spurious stories in an effort to bring down those whom they envy.

George W. Bush? Why, he stole an election -- or maybe two.

Tiger Woods? Must be steroids.

Roy Williams? Why, obviously he lured recruits to Kansas with promises of post-eligibility gifts of up to several dozen dollars.

A shame, really, that every successful person becomes a target of "the bitter bunch" who cannot abide achievement by others.

Fortunately, living well is the best revenge.

28 posted on 07/16/2005 4:50:23 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (UNC Tar Heels: NCAA Basketball Champions 1957/1982/1993/2005)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I simply refuse to believe that Coach Williams did not know that an enrolled college athlete is not to receive gifts from boosters. It's a clear case of "No means no," even to someone who isn't involved in college athletics beyond watching them on television. A coach doesn't have absolute responsibility for his players, but the article does make it sound like he approved at least one of the gifts.

As a coach at two major universities, he SHOULD KNOW BETTER. Avoid even the illusion of impropriety.


29 posted on 07/17/2005 8:01:19 AM PDT by Renderofveils ("A is for all the tea they taxed, M is for the minutemen they shellaxed...")
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To: Renderofveils
I agree that Coach Williams "should know better." My objection is the irresponsibility of the media: the shrieking headlines (here in North Carolina, at least) not only in the sports pages but on front pages led many to believe that career-threatening violations had occurred. And, as we've seen on this thread, the story as first reported gave the bitter, jealous ABC (Anybody But Carolina) crowd an opening to accuse Coach Williams of "cheating."

Hours after the initial story broke, of course, the violations were revealed to be trivial -- or less than trivial. But you can't un-ring a bell. Regional and national media got in their smears and their hints of impropriety. The following sports column from the Charlotte Observer is a fair and balanced one, and makes the same point you did, that Williams should have known better; but it also makes clear the trivial and unintentional nature of the violations. Of course, the damage has already been done.

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Violations just bump in road for Williams

SCOTT FOWLER

Seeing the words "Roy Williams" and "NCAA violations" in the same sentence is shocking.

But it has happened in newspapers and on TV-screen crawls all over the country the past two days, as the involvement of the current North Carolina basketball coach with a couple of minor NCAA rules violations at Kansas made big news.

Williams' impeccable reputation was dinged Friday with the revelation that, while at Kansas, he approved graduation gifts worth several hundred dollars for Jayhawks basketball players who had used up their eligibility.

The feeling Tar Heels fans have now is undoubtedly the same one they had when a new car they coveted for years -- then finally owned -- got its first scratch.

A grimace. A nod. And, ultimately, not much more.

"I am deeply saddened to say there was evidently a mistake," Williams said in a statement issued by North Carolina on Saturday.

The statement said a lot more than that, too, and you could hear the hurt in Williams' voice when you read it.

Although this is a ding for Williams, it is not a permanent stain.

Williams said Kansas officials told him the violations would be secondary.

Once you read the reports of this investigation closely, it's apparent Williams' name is creating buzz more because of who the coach is than for what he did.

In fact, there were far more serious violations at Kansas -- improper academic assistance to football players and some in women's basketball recruiting.

That said, it's also true that Williams 1) definitely should have known better; or 2) needed a better NCAA compliance department at Kansas.

Yes, the NCAA rulebook is thicker than "War and Peace" and the language can be more difficult than Tolstoy. Nevertheless, it is the Bible of college athletics.

Folks at Kansas -- including Williams -- should have known a booster giving cash gifts to players who were about to graduate just wasn't a great idea.

The rule, it turns out, is "once a student-athlete, always a student-athlete." So you can't provide unusual benefits to a basketball player, even after he finishes school.

The thinking is that could ultimately turn into "Hey, come to our school and we'll provide you a $100,000 dream job as soon as you graduate."

Nothing like that is alleged to have happened at Kansas under Williams' 15-year watch as head coach, of course. This sounds like a small slip.

If you were going to systematically try to cheat the NCAA system, this would be one of the dumbest ways. Can you imagine trying to lure a recruit by telling him that you couldn't do anything for him now, but once he graduates in four or five years, you could almost guarantee the boosters would give him $400?

Said Williams in his statement: "I am personally very hurt by what has happened. My integrity and reputation are extremely important to me and the initial media reports of these incidents have in some instances been extremely harsh. I take compliance with NCAA rules very seriously. If ever I do not, or the university leadership thinks I do not, it is time for me to move on."

Of course, Williams isn't going anywhere. And shouldn't.

The coach is in pain at the moment for a number of reasons, some self-inflicted. But he will learn from this. In a few weeks, this ding will just be a small part of the long life story of Roy Williams.

30 posted on 07/17/2005 9:32:46 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (UNC Tar Heels: NCAA Basketball Champions 1957/1982/1993/2005)
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