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'NY Times' Sunday Preview: Profile of Linguist Who Is Framing Issues for the Democrats
editorandpublisher.com ^ | July 15, 2005 2:30 PM ET | Lesley Messer

Posted on 07/15/2005 2:53:32 PM PDT by bitt

NEW YORK The cover story by Matt Bai in the upcoming Sunday issue of The New York Times Magazine profiles the man some liberals allegedly consider a possible new “messiah” for the Democratic party, George Lakoff. An adviser to the party on “framing” issues, he wrote “Don't Think of an Elephant”-- a book about politics and language based on his own linguistic theories.

“Framing” is the process of choosing the best words to describe individual issues and characterize a debate. Bai hails Lakoff as the father of the concept. His ideas seemed to gain some success recently in putting the Bush social security proposals in peril. Next they will be severely tested in the upcoming fight over Supreme Court nominees.

Lakoff preaches that to understand language on the whole, one must first study how an individual would comprehend that language in terms of personal experience and thought processes. He also says that metaphors allow people to process abstract ideas.

And nobody better used this philosophy before, says Lakoff, than the Republicans. In the 2004 election, George W. Bush labeled John Kerry as a “flip flopper,” and repeated this throughout the duration of the campaign. He even put out an ad that featured Kerry windsurfing, back and forth, which hammered home this idea in a visual manner.

Democrats, on the other hand, tried to pin too many criticisms on Bush, none of which stuck. Thus, as Bai writes, “Bush was attacked. Kerry was framed.”

In the article, Lakoff says that Republicans are also skilled at using loaded language and repetition to create lasting concepts in our unconscious. This is largely in part to the work of Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster renowned for creating euphemism for conservative issues.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 07/15/2005 2:53:34 PM PDT by bitt
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To: writer33; Blurblogger; Tolik; neverdem; Smartass; CyberAnt

interesting read ping


2 posted on 07/15/2005 2:54:37 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: bitt

LOL you mean he is the Dem's Karl Rove????


3 posted on 07/15/2005 2:54:39 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsch"....... "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: bitt

big deal.

rush limbaugh went over some of his stuff a month ago. there's nothing there.


4 posted on 07/15/2005 2:55:52 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: CHARLITE


5 posted on 07/15/2005 2:56:30 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: bitt

The Democrats don't have the truth on their side, so they try to use language to make people think the Democrats are something, they are not. They are communists and a commie by any other name...


6 posted on 07/15/2005 2:57:26 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: bitt

This is what you do when you have no ideas or moral sense. You play word games.


7 posted on 07/15/2005 2:59:29 PM PDT by dervish (freedom is a long distance race)
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To: bitt
The crazy rats are hiring professional liars to determine their "core beliefs".


8 posted on 07/15/2005 3:02:10 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: dervish

Do you mean like... less is more or...crime bill or...contract on America?
Maybe someone else could help me remember more "Republican framing."
}:^)


9 posted on 07/15/2005 3:03:39 PM PDT by Roccus (The collective has started.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Loyalty oaths..now!


10 posted on 07/15/2005 3:03:51 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Pitchforks and Lanters..with a smiley face!)
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To: dervish

nancy boys nuance as nasty nuisances.


11 posted on 07/15/2005 3:03:57 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: dervish
This is what you do when you have no ideas or moral sense. You play word games

Yeah, next they'll be actively recruiting hypnotists in the hope that they can, at long last, gain complete control over the minds of the masses via televised mass hypnosis!

12 posted on 07/15/2005 3:04:56 PM PDT by Sicon
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To: bitt

he wrote “Don't Think of an Elephant”-- a book about politics and language based on his own linguistic theories.


These guys are nuts. The title of the book says to me that we are still framing the issues.


13 posted on 07/15/2005 3:05:11 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: bitt

Chomsky's a linguist, too. What is it with linguistics?


14 posted on 07/15/2005 3:05:16 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: ken21

There is great power in the choice of words. You would be amazed what effect someone who understands the power of linguistic research can have.

Don't underestimate this concept, it is HUGE.


15 posted on 07/15/2005 3:08:39 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: QQQQQ

Truth is an important element of why "flip-flop" stuck while charges against Bush wouldn't hold water.

However, all Democrats are not Communists. I would posit that even "most" Democrats are not Communists. "Communists" are adherents to a particular political philosophy proposed by Karl Marx and honed by Marcuse, Lenin, Mao, and others.

To call Democrats "communists" is simplistic and borders on infantile. Most of them couldn't even explain the tenets of dialectics.

However, if one must paste labels on people, it would be fair to tag most liberals, and hence most Democrats, as "statists". Statists are people who believe that individuals exist for the good of the state and not the other way around.

Actually, most people who vote Democrat would probably cringe at this basic divergence from Constitutional principle. Therefore, challenging a Democrat that they are supporting statist philosophy can be fruitful, while simply calling someone a "commie" will get you discounted as a "right-winger".


16 posted on 07/15/2005 3:09:33 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: bitt
In other words tell the American people that the dems believe in all the same things that they do and maybe they won`t notice when they do just the opposite.
Got to remember they consider all of us stupid so why wouldn`t this fit into their game plan.
17 posted on 07/15/2005 3:09:47 PM PDT by carlr
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To: Rastus
Chomsky's a linguist, too. What is it with linguistics?

Because it's not a science and there's no way to prove your theories wrong it attracts a lot of leftist who can then come up with a lot of looney theories and no one can prove them wrong. Unlike say physics where if you put forth the theory that Karl Rove has deliberately distorted gravity to make Bush look more powerful you can be proven wrong. But if you claim that Rove has distorted the meaning of some words to make Bush look more powerful, all the leftists flock toward you, bow down, and proclaim "our all-knowing savior is here." "He's so smart."

18 posted on 07/15/2005 3:11:00 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: the_Watchman

BTW: Hitler, a self-proclaimed socialist, was a statist too. This is why modern day liberals, socialists, Communists, and Nazis belong on the same side of the political spectrum.

Nazi's have nothing to do with Conservatism.


19 posted on 07/15/2005 3:12:33 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: cspackler

i agree.

but this is not the ideal linguist you speak of.


20 posted on 07/15/2005 3:13:05 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: bitt

Lackoff . . . as Rush says, "Rhymes with."


21 posted on 07/15/2005 3:13:23 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: the_Watchman

You either don't know Democrats or don't know communists, to make the statements you did.


22 posted on 07/15/2005 3:13:28 PM PDT by QQQQQ
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To: FBD
"George Lakoff"

Sayyyy that rhymes with whackoff!!

...someone best tell Rush. :o)

23 posted on 07/15/2005 3:14:56 PM PDT by Landru (The bravery of being out of range...)
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To: bitt
Liberals have been trying to reframe the language for years. That's why we now have "undocumented immigrants" instead of "illegal aliens" and "homeless people" instead of "vagrants" or "bums". But, guess what? Unless you change what's being described, people don't fall for it. Nobody wants a "homeless person" sitting next to them on a subway any more than tney wanted a "bum" sitting next to them. Why? Because those two terms still ultimately describe the same thing.
24 posted on 07/15/2005 3:15:38 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: bitt

If it's in the Times, I don't believe it.


25 posted on 07/15/2005 3:16:32 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: bitt

I hope Matt Bai makes plenty of bucks off the suckers not wanting to look inward, or question their own self-regarded smarts.

Just like the person/people who sold the DNC on the idea "talk radio" was behind the lack of gains in 2002, coincidently just after some Democrats were complaining the DNC and McAuliffe were the problems.


26 posted on 07/15/2005 3:17:36 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Rastus

"Chomsky's a linguist, too. What is it with linguistics?"


Lakoff and Chomsky are cunning linguists. ;-)


27 posted on 07/15/2005 3:18:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ken21
“Framing” is the process of choosing the best words to describe individual issues and characterize a debate. Bai hails Lakoff as the father of the concep

Bai is a suckup and Lakoff an intellectual scam artist. The concept of cognitive framing is an old and elementary one. Actually "reframing ' should be the word used, as all ideas have frames to begin with, whether Goerge Lakoff is smart enough to recognize them or not.

Cognitive reframing is a therapeutic psychological technique wellknown to clinicians and at least forty years old, but with a history going back at least to William James.

You could also easily trace it to the ancient Stoic school of philosophy in Greece, which taught, "it is not the event itself but that which I think about the event, which makes all the difference."

As usual, the Slimes feeds recycled dreck to its slobbering readers and "frames" it as cutting edge news!

28 posted on 07/15/2005 3:21:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rastus
What is it with linguistics?

It goes back to the old thing, "if you tell a lie often enough, it will become the truth."

29 posted on 07/15/2005 3:24:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: bitt

Language alone is not enough to sell people on bad ideas. Except for really stupid people.


30 posted on 07/15/2005 3:30:41 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: mware

you mean he is the Dem's Karl Rove????

No he's the dem's Chomsky.


31 posted on 07/15/2005 3:33:18 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Rastus
Chomsky's a linguist, too. What is it with linguistics?

Simply the latest fad for fulfilling Orwell's "1984". Words are symbols for thought or the way we express our thoughts. Therefore, if the words are confused the hope is to confuse our thoughts.

There are three primary ways we learn. Visual - seeing mind pictures of what we are reading or being told. Auditory - more in tune with hearing what we are learning. Feelings - an emotional involvement with what we are learning, normally by relating to past experiences. Obviously, the more senses involved the more we retain. That is what they are talking about when they say "framing the issue", involving as many senses as possible in a personally relevant way.

Conservatives know this naturally. It is the bases for sales and advertising, a key part of free enterprise. Liberals know it, too, as they use it to sell their lies about their intentions. The truth is they have been using these techniques forever.

All this new linguistics bs is another attempt to explain to themselves why they continue to lose. They don't blame it on the message, they blame it on their inability to "get their message out". They are just trying to get another running start to sell their lies, to re-energize their base who have been getting so depressed they are beginning to stray from the reservation.

32 posted on 07/15/2005 3:40:31 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: bitt

The NY Times is late on this issue. The SF Chronicle had this story about 6 months ago, Rush talked about it extensively. He is a prof at UC Berkeley.


33 posted on 07/15/2005 3:46:32 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: bitt

Herr Goebels was a cunning linguist too.


34 posted on 07/15/2005 3:50:36 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: bitt

Is he a snake handler? That has to be his main criteria when handling the dims.


35 posted on 07/15/2005 3:54:43 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: LS
Lackoff . . . as Rush says, "Rhymes with."

{{{{snicker}}}}

36 posted on 07/15/2005 3:56:00 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: bitt

He forgot to mention that the Republicans are also skilled supporting issues that the majority of Americans will vote for....

*giggle*


37 posted on 07/15/2005 4:04:50 PM PDT by republican2005
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To: bitt; All
“Framing” is the process of choosing the best words to describe individual issues and characterize a debate. Bai hails Lakoff as the father of the concept.

Oh, really? I thought the ancient Greeks and Romans covered this in their teaching of "rhetoric" and "oratory" thousands of years ago.

38 posted on 07/15/2005 4:07:51 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: mware
No, this "guru" is not the Democrat's Karl Rove. This guy deals in linguistics and cosmetics. He does not deal in basic facts and genuine social movements. Therefore, this is a man who is offering trivial solutions for fundamental problems.

That makes him a near-perfect guru for the Democrats. It also makes him a distinctly minor threat to Karl Rove and the Republicans. (Frank Luntz was one of my professors. Smart guy, though a bit of a loose cannon.)

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Fry Cook Rule for the Supreme Court"

39 posted on 07/15/2005 4:34:27 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 85-15 odds on yes.)
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To: bitt
Liberals have been "framing issues" for decades. That's why we have "a woman's right to choose" instead of abortion; that's why we have "racism" instead of equality before the law; that's why we have "sexism" instead of an understanding of natural differences between men and women.

A little more Orwellian Doublespeak isn't going to help them. Everyone knows the game they're playing.

40 posted on 07/15/2005 4:51:06 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: tet68
Chomsky's & Lakoff's writing style seems similar to:

'Delousing Van': Nazi Euphemism for Murder

A 1942 document which describes the installation of two large ovens at the 'bathing installations for special action' - a Nazi code-word for the homicidal gas chambers.

'Vergasungsapparate': Gassing as a 'Remedy' for Jews (Document NO-365)

the Holocost History Project



Euthanasia: Nazi euphemism for the deliberate killings of institutionalized physically, mentally, and emotionally handicapped people. The euthanasia program began in 1939, with German nonJews as the first victims. The program was later extended to Jews.

Final Solution: A Nazi euphemism for the plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.

Resettlement: German euphemism for the deportation of prisoners to killing centers in Poland.

WITNESS AND LEGACY


41 posted on 07/15/2005 5:41:30 PM PDT by Milhous
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To: finnman69
"Language alone is not enough to sell people on bad ideas. Except for stupid people."

- "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit."
42 posted on 07/15/2005 5:51:25 PM PDT by jblair
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To: bitt
Image hosted by Photobucket.com almost as funnny as the RATs trying to decide what their "Core Values" are... (hint to you RAT's, if you have to decide what they are... you don't have any!!!)
43 posted on 07/15/2005 6:28:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: bitt
The Democrats are modern-day Sophists. The Sophists of ancient Greece were a class of teachers who, for a fee, would teach you how to achieve political success by using fallacious arguments in order to appear clever. The search for truth was not top priority. Consequently the sophists undertook to provide a stock of arguments on any subject, or to prove any position. They boasted of their ability to make the worse appear the better reason, to prove that black is white. Some asserted that it was not necessary to have any knowledge of a subject to give satisfactory replies.
44 posted on 07/15/2005 6:38:15 PM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: bitt
I remember the "gravitas" weekend well. Hey Lakoff, STFU. How do you like my lexicon, you Noam Chomsky wannabe.
45 posted on 07/15/2005 6:47:03 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: bitt

I doubt that there's anything new here. It's the same basic idea the New Leftist Dems have been working with for the past twelve years or more. Not, "how can we change to appeal better to the voters," but "how can we repackage ourselves to look better to the voters."

Repackage, reframe; same old, same old.


46 posted on 07/15/2005 7:22:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Chode
almost as funnny as the RATs trying to decide what their "Core Values" are... (hint to you RAT's, if you have to decide what they are... you don't have any!!!)

TOP SECRET: Democrat Core Values

  1. Bigger government.
  2. More taxes.
  3. Abortion

47 posted on 07/15/2005 7:27:45 PM PDT by Milhous
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To: bitt

I saw his INFOmercial.

He is a skilled weasel with words but his tecnique is dependent on the ignorance of the desire to be gulable fo the listener.

There is no substance to his argument.

ie he says Republicans are strong father model, democrats are loving parent model. note no mother, the a-sexual "parent".

ie homosexual marriage is not about marriage it is about looooooove. TOTAL LEGAL BS, the law has NEVER considered love in marriage.

ie Tax relief is not right, tax FAIRNESS.

He also works on using left wing talking points as a factual assumption. such as, the USA is less secure, the USA squandered international credibility. IOW the USA should bow to the alter of UN (and france).

Word play with no substance.

He is a modern Goebles.


48 posted on 07/15/2005 7:31:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

If your title is *Don't Think of an Elephant* aren't you telling people to think about elephants (Republicans) ??


49 posted on 07/15/2005 7:31:23 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: the_Watchman

While I may consider democRats just a slightly lighter version of communism, as a debate point your idea is VERY good.


50 posted on 07/15/2005 7:34:20 PM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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