Skip to comments.ACLU pushes state on Quran oaths
Posted on 07/15/2005 4:47:09 PM PDT by Jay777
GREENSBORO The ACLU of North Carolina on Monday accused state court officials of not responding quickly enough to a controversy involving the use of the Quran for courtroom oaths.
The groups legal foundation is calling on the state Administrative Office of the Courts to adopt a policy allowing the Quran and other religious texts for oath-taking in North Carolina courtrooms.
A Greensboro Muslim group has been waiting for an AOC decision for three weeks after Guilford Countys two top judges decided that Muslims could not legally take an oath on the Quran.
We think they are dragging their feet, said Jennifer Rudinger, the state ACLUs executive director.
Her group, along with a Washington-based Islamic civil rights organization and Greensboro-area religious leaders, has called on the AOC to act. The ACLU wrote a formal letter to the state agency June 28 but has received no word back.
An AOC spokesman on Monday denied that the agency was dawdling. Dick Ellis said a judicial conference last month and vacation schedules have kept key decision-makers from working on the issue.
Nobody has had time to do that around here, he said.
Informally, Ellis said, most of the agencys lawyers feel the issue should be resolved by legislators.
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More at Stop The ACLU
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
If the Koran orders Muslims to lie to infidels, of what use is having a Muslim swear "to tell the truth" on a Koran, while being tried in an American (that is, infidel) court?
Sombody should make the ACLU pee in a cup before they're allowed to say even one damned thing.
Since the Quran explicitly approves of lying to infidels, an oath taken on it is literally a promise to lie.
Only Christianity. It's just a matter of time before they fight for Sharia law in our courts.
The ACLU won't stop until Christianity is destroyed.
After 09/11 the Quran and it's teachings were hot topics at public schools. Some of them had kids desinging their own jihads. They were encouraged to wear burkhas (sp?) and other Muslim garb. It was just an exercise in diversity don't you know.
They recited verses, memorized passages and basicly studied the Muslim faith.
While this was going on, the ACLU was quiet as a mosque rodent.
I don't mind muslims swearing on the Koran. I'll treat it for what it's worth.
What good would it do to have Muslims swear on the quran if the quran says it is permissible for true believers to lie to, cheat, steal from, and even kill infidels.
The ACLU DO want all religious symbols out of the court. They are pushing this kind of thing so Christians and others will fight it, and thus the courts will ultimately be forced to keep ALL religious materials out of the courts.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
"The groups legal foundation is calling on the state Administrative Office of the Courts to adopt a policy allowing the Quran and other religious texts for oath-taking in North Carolina courtrooms."
HUH?? what about the separation of church and state?
The aclu will be one of the first groups the American people will go after when the next terrorist attack happens. Time to purge the enemy within....
I understand what you mean. What difference does it really make what the liars swear on? What good would it do for them to swear on a Bible in which they don't believe. I wouldn't trust them no matter what they swore on. Now, I'm not racist about this, but I won't take my chances when it comes to trust either.
According to Islam, anyone who recites the shihada "There is no dog like Allah, and Mohammed is his bitch" (words substituted here because I am an infidel, but you know what I mean) automatically converts to Islam. No trade backsies if you didn't mean it, now you are stuck and subject to the death penalty for "apostacy."
ACLU = Anti Chrisitian League of Unionists.
This is silly. The Koran DEMANDS the murder of "infidels", and requires Muslims to LIE to non-Muslims. How can swearing on the Koran be allowed in any courtroom in the United States?
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Clintons have written a bible and that the ACLU wants the Clinton bible to replace the Christian Bible. </sarcasm>
I think swearing oaths on a Bible or any religious text should be abolished. Maybe many years ago when most people were actually G-D fearing their oath would mean something.
I think a witness or any deponent should be made to state a disclaimer in which they are made to understand that perjury is a crime for which they can be prosecuted.
In the USA of today, this makes perfect sense.
Would that be the same Koran that says it's okay to lie to infidels?
ACLU: Atheists, Communists & Liars Unlimited
"The ACLU won't stop until Christianity is destroyed."
You nailed it, DoughtyOne.
Thanks. I'd like to take credit, but I'm sure there are some rather intelligent first graders that are already aware of it. LOL
It's a tactical step to removing the Bible from the court later down the road.
I'll use the quran when the courthouse restroom is out of toilet paper.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, , blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Now, that description is just a little bit scary. Notice the bolded phrases. Doesn't our repealing the necessity to swear on the Bible bring us closer to that? Doesn't it cast us as too proud to rely on God? Smarter, more powerful, highminded perhaps? I don't want to be charged with that, now or ever.
An excellent point.
Along with the tradition of swearing on the Bible also came the option of affirming an oath without swearing. There were, and still are, some Christian sects who believe that swearing an oath could be "taking the Lord's name in vain." These people were allowed to take what was then called the "Quaker oath" (when Quakers were still G-D fearing Christians and not the politically-correct leftist saps they are today).
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What about a Koran bound in pig skin?
BTW, can you cite any examples of Christian sects today who believe that swearing an oath is 'taking the Lord's name in vain'? Just curious.
I'm conjecturing here but .... IMHO .... the ultimate goal of this is to move the states in enacting the Mulsim Sharia law. You know this one - caught stealing, your hand is severed. There is far more to this than meets the eye.
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But, they're such peaceful people...
A man convicted of theft being flogged in front of a crowd of thousands in Bara, Pakistan. Afterwards five more people convicted of crimes ranging from kidnapping to car theft were also flogged by the Tanzeem Ulema organisation of religious scholars in Pakistan (1992).
But, the goal of the Anti-Christian Lawyers Unlimited is simply to oppose Christianity, at all times.
They probably figure they can get Bible oaths abolished by pushing for this.
Unfortunately....NC ping worthy?
Hypocritical doesn't begin to cover it!
You just gave me a new tagline.....with your permission, of course :-)
"Again you have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'Do not take a false oath, but make good to the Lord all that you vow.'
But I say to you, do not swear at all; 23 not by heaven, for it is God's throne;
nor by the earth, for it is his footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Do not swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black.
Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Anything more is from the evil one.
For what reason do these decrepit intellects support the Koran over the Holy Bible?
The answer will verify why the ACLU is not a friend of the United States of America.
What's next? A Mount Pilot Muslim group, a Mayberry Muslim group...
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