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Wash. state's 'top two' primary struck down
KGW ^ | July 15, 2005 | KING and AP Staff

Posted on 07/15/2005 6:05:19 PM PDT by mdittmar

A U.S. District Court judge on Friday struck down Washington state's new "top two" primary system, approved by voters last fall, as unconstitutional, saying it infringed on the rights of political parties to pick their own nominees for office.

In a 40-page ruling, Judge Thomas Zilly said the state cannot allow voters to skip back and forth along party lines as they pick a favorite candidate for each office. Nor can it allow candidates to identify themselves by party on a ballot without that party's approval, the ruling said.

The state Republican, Democratic and Libertarian parties sued in May to challenge Initiative 872, which created a primary system in which the top two vote-getters for each office advanced to the general election, regardless of political affiliation.

The effect of the ruling, Zilly said, was that Washington would return to the "Montana-style" primary it used during last fall's election. Under that system, voters select one party's ballot and vote for their favorite candidates on that ballot.

"This shouldn't be a shock to anyone," said Republican Party State Chairman Chris Vance.

"The bottom line is, you have to have a system where Republicans choose the candidates of the Republican Party and Democrats choose the candidates of the Democratic Party," he said.

The state's top Democratic Party official agreed.

"This is a huge win for the state Democratic party and for everyone who believes in a decent primary system," said state Democratic Party Chairman Paul Berendt. "There were several elements of the top-two system we know were flat unconstitutional."

For nearly 70 years, Washington state used a "blanket" primary system, whereby voters could pick their favorites for each office - a Democrat for governor, a Republican for secretary of state, etc. The top Democratic, Republican and third-party vote-getters for each office advanced to the general election.

That system was struck down by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 2003, four years after the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated a similar system in California. The Supreme Court said that opening a party's nominating process to people who didn't belong to the party - be they candidates or voters - infringes on the rights of the party to pick its own nominees.

The sponsors of I-872, which passed with 60 percent of the vote, sought to dance around that Supreme Court ruling by taking the state out of the business of nominating candidates. In oral arguments on Wednesday, state lawyer Jim Pharris said the parties can nominate their own candidates by caucus or however they see fit. Under I-872, he said, the September primary serves merely to winnow the field of candidates to the two most popular.

Because the primary voters aren't selecting a party's nominee, they can vote for whomever they like for each office, Pharris argued.

Zilly said the state's argument would transform the parties' right to "nominate" into merely a right to "endorse."

"To relegate the members of a political party to a role of mere support for their preferred 'standard bearer' would deny a party its role in selecting its representative," Zilly wrote.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: electioneering; howtostealanelection; rats; sorelosers; votefraud

1 posted on 07/15/2005 6:05:19 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
infringes on the rights of the party to pick its own nominees.

It is rather odd, since the founders disliked the idea of parties. It is just another one of those penumbra things.

2 posted on 07/15/2005 6:10:56 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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Washington state should simply eliminate the state-funded primary altogether, and make the parties pay for their own system of "winnowing down" the candidates to "the one" who is going to "run under the party name".

Make the parties live with the "general election" only, and make it "plurality wins" instead of "majority wins".

3 posted on 07/15/2005 6:21:51 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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I added Louisiana to the topic list because it sounds similar to the open primary system that they use.


4 posted on 07/15/2005 6:24:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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Louisiana has what's called a jungle primary where regardless of what party you're registered to you simply vote. Top two people advance regardless of party. Then whoever gets 50%+1 on election day wins.

The idea of ignoring the party on the day of the primary for the purposes of picking the finalist within the two parties sounds stupid in comparison though. They ought to just make it fully open or fully closed.


5 posted on 07/15/2005 7:15:03 PM PDT by Bogey78O (*tagline removed per request*)
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There ya have it! The judiciary taking the votes of individuals and throwing them in the scrap heap! Can you say: Legislating from the bench?...yet again!
6 posted on 07/15/2005 7:16:05 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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There ya have it! The judiciary taking the votes of individuals and throwing them in the scrap heap! Can you say: Legislating from the bench?...yet again!

Perhaps, but we have constitutions for a reason. We're not a direct democracy and the "votes of individuals" are not always the final word, nor should they be.

7 posted on 07/15/2005 7:23:30 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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The idiotic 9th Circuit overturned yet again. I read somewhere that the dummies are overturned nearly 80 percent of the time!


8 posted on 07/15/2005 7:29:28 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: Young Scholar

Well, Young Scholar, folks with your thinking is the problem we have in this country today! The Judiciary is usurping the will of the people, yet again.


9 posted on 07/15/2005 7:33:10 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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You know, I don't like the idea of people picking the other parties candidates, but I have never seen a reason that parties should have a "right" to a candidate on the ballot at all. If they can internally convince all candidates but one to stop seeing office, that's fine. But I have never liked the party system, and never will.


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10 posted on 07/15/2005 7:50:23 PM PDT by sharktrager (My life is like a box of chocolates, but someone took all the good ones.)
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Thanks for the clarification on the differences in the two systems. Perhaps the folks down in Louisiana won't have to worry about this decision, then.


11 posted on 07/15/2005 7:53:15 PM PDT by PAR35
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So what you are telling me is that the will of the majority should always win? Tell me, who would that have elected in the 2000 presidential election? There is a reason the Founding Fathers totally rejected the idea of direct democracy.


12 posted on 07/15/2005 8:19:39 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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So what you are telling me is that the will of the majority should always win? Tell me, who would that have elected in the 2000 presidential election?

Answer: President Bush! He had the majority of Electoral Votes! (That pesky Constitution) Don't split hairs!

13 posted on 07/16/2005 4:03:10 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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So if the "people" vote to take your guns or your property away, will you still be screaming about "will of the people?"

The "people" are not as conservative as you seem to think they are.

Democracy = Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

14 posted on 07/16/2005 4:05:22 AM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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Let me get this straight? In 2000, you believe Bush won because the Constitution said so, despite the fact that this went against the will of the majority of American voter, while now you believe that in Washington state the "will of the people" should prevail even if it is incompatable with the state constitution?

We live in a country where the supreme law in a government is the constitution (whether state or Federal), even when this conflicts with the majority of voters; you can't pick and choose when to enforce this constitution.

15 posted on 07/17/2005 7:49:51 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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