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Immigration worries Republicans
The Washington Times ^ | 7/16/2005 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 07/16/2005 2:34:21 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

Republican congreesional members' constituents care more about immigration and border security than any othe issue, according to a new congressional insiders poll.

Seventeeen of the 37 Republican House and Senate members who responded to the National Journal's survey identified immigration as the issue "most on the minds of your consituents these days." That easily topped the next closest issue, the economy, which gained 10 votes, followed by gasoline prices with four votes and terrorism with threee votes.

One Republican called immigration the "highest-octane issue in America," while another said, "It is here that the mismatch between the federal government's inaction and the realities at home is the greatest."

Rep. Tom Tancredo, the Colorado Republican who runs the House Immigration Reform Caucus, has said other members of Congress have come up to him recently and said immigration is a dominant issue when they return home for recess periods.

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Of 25 Democratic members of Congress who responded, just two mentioned immigration as the top issue for constituents....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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1 posted on 07/16/2005 2:34:21 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

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2 posted on 07/16/2005 2:35:41 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Of 25 Democratic members of Congress who responded, just two mentioned immigration as the top issue for constituents....

But, keep withholdig your funds to the GOP... /sarcasm...

3 posted on 07/16/2005 2:37:11 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Quislings.


4 posted on 07/16/2005 2:37:33 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

It damn well should worry Republicans---they are out of touch with their base.


5 posted on 07/16/2005 2:39:37 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
The Solution to Illegal Immigration?

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6 posted on 07/16/2005 2:40:40 PM PDT by Dallas59 (" I have a great team that is going to beat George W. Bush" John Kerry -2004)
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To: Echo Talon

Why not hold back funds? Its not like the GOP is going DO anything effective about the situation, at least not from a citizens point of view. Gotta keep that cheap labor coming in to please those business interests...


7 posted on 07/16/2005 2:41:20 PM PDT by Sirloin
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To: John Filson

What is the answer ???

Move to Mexico, they are all here !!


8 posted on 07/16/2005 2:41:21 PM PDT by Zenith
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

It all sounds so nice that they are concerned. I'll eat my keyboard if they actually do anything about border security.


9 posted on 07/16/2005 2:42:39 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("When everyone’s super, no one will be!" - Syndrome, from "The Incredibles")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Actually, I can't wait to see how this plays out in 06 and 08.

If the Pubs do nothing, then they won't have an easy time in 06, although they may be complacent about it.

And no matter what is done, she who must not be named will run in 08 saying it's all wrong and she will right it.

Unlike horse face, she isn't stupid enough to just say, "I have a plan."


10 posted on 07/16/2005 2:42:55 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I'm not usually a single issue voter but next year and in 08 border control will be a make or break issue for me. Ive let the issue slide through the last two elections but I'm not letting it go for another decade.


11 posted on 07/16/2005 2:43:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If a democrats lips are moving, they're lying.)
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To: Echo Talon

Talk is cheap. They've got all the money they need for it.


12 posted on 07/16/2005 2:43:30 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

They better get off their butts and do something about it!


13 posted on 07/16/2005 2:44:04 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
[Immigration] easily topped the next closest issue, the economy, which gained 10 votes, followed by gasoline prices with four votes and terrorism with threee votes.

Terrorism and immigration are inseparable issues.

14 posted on 07/16/2005 2:45:24 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Here's a list of those voting yea (40) to those voting nay (60)

"Vote To Increase Border Agents fails (But Senator George Allen Voted for More Agents)"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1443753/posts


15 posted on 07/16/2005 2:45:39 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Sirloin
Why not hold back funds?

If you think immigration is the only issue and that somehow the democrats will have a tough border policy if they get in power by all mean withhold funds.

16 posted on 07/16/2005 2:45:49 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree - things are totally out of control in my area. It is ridiculous.


17 posted on 07/16/2005 2:46:13 PM PDT by shattered
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To: Sirloin

I'd say that if there were a concerted effort to freeze funding to the GOP on behalf of their base that they would at least know that their constituency meant business. As it is now they already know that they got your vote in their back pocket.


18 posted on 07/16/2005 2:47:26 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Republican congreesional members' constituents care more about immigration and border security than any othe issue

Unfortunately those members and the President seem to care LESS about that issue than any other.

19 posted on 07/16/2005 2:48:00 PM PDT by montag813
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To: incredulous joe

'As it is now they already know that they got your vote in their back pocket."

Exactly....they probably laugh and say "where else are they going to go"? To which I'd reply....I'll stay home thank you very much!


20 posted on 07/16/2005 2:48:54 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: AntiGuv
Talk is cheap. They've got all the money they need for it.

Well, if they lose because of funding. Then they won't have a chance to do anything about it. Looks like have just now noticed that they have a problem.(took um long enough)

21 posted on 07/16/2005 2:48:59 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: montag813

" Unfortunately those members and the President seem to care LESS about that issue than any other."


That says it all right there...


22 posted on 07/16/2005 2:49:35 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Support George Allen in 08!)
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To: Echo Talon

As opposed to rewarding the GOP with their inaction on an issue that is IMO the most important issue?

No thanks - I'd rather not throw my money away.


23 posted on 07/16/2005 2:49:59 PM PDT by Sirloin
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
This thread is in bloggers/personal but includes actual roll call votes on a recent amendment involving border patrol agents:

17 Sellouts: The Republicans that sold out America

24 posted on 07/16/2005 2:50:47 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Echo Talon

I'.m not into "one-issue" voting, but I do think this is worth addressing.

I'm not so sure "little guys" holding out on funding would cause all that much of a splash? I don't know how much Joe Sixpack contributes? But it sems a better strategy than withholding your vote. If the GOP took notice, the water could easily be turned back on.


25 posted on 07/16/2005 2:51:31 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: Mears

In one of Rush's recent issues of his Limbaugh Letter, he wrote an article about it and said he thought the admin was way off the mark on this issue - and they needed to ask around and find out what their constituents were really feeling about it.

Looks like the GOP has found out by their survey that Rush was right. Hopefully this will jar them back to reality.


26 posted on 07/16/2005 2:51:35 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Oops, you beat me to it. Different thread but same vote.


27 posted on 07/16/2005 2:52:24 PM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

They had to take a survey to find this out!!!!!! Where have they been....


28 posted on 07/16/2005 2:53:16 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sirloin
As opposed to rewarding the GOP with their inaction on an issue that is IMO the most important issue?

like they say, can't please all the people all the time. Vote democrat and see if that gets it solved any faster

29 posted on 07/16/2005 2:53:37 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
It is about time. It is about time that an American office holder who has taken an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution be held to it by the voters. It is about time that an American office holder understand what it is to have nationhood and a common language, and a culture that is superior to any on the face of the Earth based on the fact that the USA is the goal of vast hoards of immigrants, and that without controlled borders all of this is meaningless as is the Constitution.

It is about time for us to take action and only support those who are willing to speak truth to the issues of the day. Open borders are wrong, criminal aliens are a problem and must be dealt with, and, although off the subject, the WOT is a struggle between the West, Christians, Jews, and killers calling themselves the religion of peace, Islam.
30 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:44 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Echo Talon

Then now would be an excellent time to decide whether their priority is confronting illegal immigration or if it's scheduling hearings on Grand Theft Auto, Jose Canseco's training habits, and Janet Jackson's tits.


31 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: incredulous joe

Like I told the other guy vote democrat and see if it gets fixed any faster.


32 posted on 07/16/2005 2:55:59 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon
like they say, can't please all the people all the time. Vote democrat and see if that gets it solved any faster

Sadly, I agree with you.

33 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:07 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Zenith
They won't stop until they take back California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Already the Dallas County Texas school district is primarily hispanic and now will not hire a teacher that cannot teach in Spanish.

I remember California before it was over run and how pristine it used to be.... no more.... it's bad enough they all come here illegally, they have to trash everything along the way and we have to change to accomodate them instead of vis-versa.

34 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sirloin; Echo Talon
It doesn't have to do with cheap labor. - They couldn't care less about that

It's simply that few politicans are going to risk a principled stand if they don't percieve the need to.

Here is an excellent analysis of 06 from The American Spectator:

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Yet no one predicts with a straight face the Democrats will be the beneficiaries of this stalled agenda (which is largely the Democrats' doing, by the way).

The conventional wisdom holds that the Democrats aren't gaining even as Republicans lose steam because the Democrats offer no new ideas.
Theirs is, in the words of President George W. Bush, "the philosophy of the stop sign. The agenda of the roadblock."

Even their fellow Democrats claim the lack of new intellectual offerings by the Democrat minority is the principal factor holding back a 1994-style upheaval in 2006.

Typical of this thinking is the recent strategy memo titled "The Democrats' Moment to Engage," by the liberal polling outfit Democracy Corps:

...the president's deep troubles have produced no rise in positive sentiment about the Democrats. Their thermometer ratings are significantly below 2004, with equal numbers offering warm and cool response to the party. The positive ratings (38 percent) are 5 points below that for the Republicans.

The Democrats can achieve major gains, however, if the party moves decisively to a new stage of engagement. They must poise [sic] sharp choices -- ones that define the Democrats, not just the Republicans and ones that, in every battle, make the Democrats the instrument for reforming and changing Washington.

This is hogwash and everyone in Washington knows it.

The moment the Democrats articulate an agenda, their already fragile coalition will atomize.
And we know from experience that as the election nears the issues debate will even out as the mainstream media's ability to influence the agenda gives way to the paid advertising of the major parties.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the reasons the Democrats are not poised to benefit from the Republicans' recent lackluster performance are structural, not ideological; founded in hard electoral facts, not fluctuating public opinion.

To put it another way, the Democrats aren't likely to make major gains in 2006 because they can't.
During the next couple of weeks I will lay out the case against a Republican collapse, for good or ill, based on an electoral structure that rewards incumbency, punishes challengers, and strongly favors the GOP.

In politics, the saying goes, everything will be different in 18 months. "Everything" here refers to the issues of the day, the things we discuss around the proverbial water cooler.
But political realities shift much more slowly, if at all.
-snip-

Full story here

35 posted on 07/16/2005 2:56:40 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: AntiGuv

Looks like thats why they took a survey?


36 posted on 07/16/2005 2:57:29 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I have to vote conservative,..but I always gauge my enthusiam upon walking out of the voting booth. Illegal immigration hasn't really been a big issue in my area, but I see how it could be pernicious in other parts of the country.

I was just visiting with my liberal mother-in-law in Delaware and commented how it seemed difficult to find someone who spoke English. She thought that was "neat"!

Last time I checked Delaware was not exactly on the cutting edge of the immigration issue. I couldn't possibly imagine what it might be like in CA, NM, AZ or TX.


37 posted on 07/16/2005 2:58:23 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: Echo Talon
I wont vote Dem , but I sure as hell wont vote for the current Republican agenda of illegal immigration. If the Dems get in so be it. The Republic will survive.
38 posted on 07/16/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by Burf (Republicans are best served as the minority)
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To: bill1952
Unlike horse face, she isn't stupid enough to just say, "I have a plan."

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If she is sooooooo concerned about illegal immigration, why did she vote against more border patrol agents and a facility to house illegals until they can be returned to their countrie(s)yesterday???

39 posted on 07/16/2005 2:59:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

At this point immigration is secondary to just plain visiting requirements. The UK has no visa requirements and British citizens can just walk in. Europe is apparently teeming with islamic jihadistas ready to go boom. What we need is a readjustment and fast of entry requirements.


40 posted on 07/16/2005 2:59:50 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Burf

If you think the Democrats will follow the Buchanan approach on immigration (what all the single issue immigration voters want) then you're a fool. The Democrats, no matter what they might say, would do nothing less than grant full amnesty to every illegal on a regular basis.


41 posted on 07/16/2005 3:00:44 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: Burf
I wont vote Dem , but I sure as hell wont vote for the current Republican agenda of illegal immigration. If the Dems get in so be it. The Republic will survive.

yea and the problem will still be there, along with a bunch of other problems

42 posted on 07/16/2005 3:02:41 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Echo Talon

Good observation.


43 posted on 07/16/2005 3:02:42 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Echo Talon
Looks like thats why they took a survey?

poll questions are a dime a dozen

44 posted on 07/16/2005 3:03:13 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Echo Talon
... vote democrat and see if it gets fixed any faster.
In other words, sit down and shut up?

The GOP does not own my vote. If they don't differentiate themselves from the Dems, they're going to find out what it feels like when their base stays home. Mindlessly voting GOP is no better than mindlessly voting Democrat.

45 posted on 07/16/2005 3:03:27 PM PDT by jayhorn (when i hit the drum, you shake the booty.)
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To: Echo Talon

Not a chance I could find a Dem worth supporting. I'm fortunate enough to live in a red county. My representation is in the same song book as me.

More importantly, they wouldn't blow smoke at me on an issue that I felt was important.

That'a something I can get from a Dem. But if things should change,...?


46 posted on 07/16/2005 3:04:36 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Don't trust Republicans to do the right thing. Don't trust Democrats - period!")
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To: Echo Talon
Our Washington RINOs will do nothing until they have absolutely no other choice. Since they long ago stopped giving a damn what their constituents say or want, the only effective weapon we have left is the contributions money. I have already informed all of the usual GOP begging agencies there will be no furtrher contributions from this family until I see a conservative agenda being carried out rather than merely talked to death.

I'm tired of the good intentions. I want to see some action. Or no more $$.

47 posted on 07/16/2005 3:04:41 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Mears
I keep saying, this is THE issue of 2008, and so far, NO candidate on either side has really addressed it (and Tancredo is just not a high-profile enough guy to be a serious candidate).

The 2008 GOP candidate has not yet appeared, because whoever it is will have this as a PRIMARY issue.

48 posted on 07/16/2005 3:05:05 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: GVgirl
Good observation.

Which one? The observation that George W. Bush won the election and the democrats are the ones considered "mainstream"? :D

49 posted on 07/16/2005 3:05:24 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

If it is so very important to these babosos why the hell have they sat on their butts and done nothing for so long on this issue.
The borders aren't a sieve they are an ocean.


50 posted on 07/16/2005 3:05:37 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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