Posted on 07/16/2005 10:40:10 PM PDT by ttsmi
MIRAN SHAH: Thousands of tribesmen shouted anti-US slogans on Saturday as they buried three of the 24 suspected militants killed inside Pakistan by US forces operating out of Afghanistan.
Mourners chanted "Long live Islam" at the funeral held in two villages in the North Waziristan tribal region.
"These 24 people are martyrs and our entire Waziristan region is ready for Jihad," Maulana Abdur Rehman, a local prayer leader said at the funeral of two suspects.
"These people are Mujahideen and they are martyrs," a prayer leader told the mourning procession. "We will not allow any foreigner (militant) in our area, but we will keep on helping Mujahideen," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at jang.com.pk ...
Don't mess with the U.S.
Well, folks, we should see that they get what they want.....bombs away.....
I got your jihad right here.
Exactly, I believe the US could complete depopulate that little area in short order.
Love it! ROFLOL!
Such drivel - (and a MOAB or a dozen MOAB's would do very little in this region of the World - you simply haven't a clue of the terrain).
A well placed bomb would have changed their tune.
Well the daisy cutter dropped on Tora Bora seemed to work just fine as I recall. It had great effect and the psychological effect broke their will and that battle was over for good just hours after it was dropped.
These guys are just begging to take a dirt nap and I hope our soldiers oblige them.
Where did you hear this BS? (because that is exactly what that story is) - There have been a number of larger sized Op's within the Tora Bora Mountain range and none of those Op's have been concluded due to a Daisy Cutter being dropped. (please).
The fact is unless we are scoring direct load bearing strikes much of our bombing within the Tora Bora region as well as the Khawar Kili Region (for example) does very little (to nothing) to the infrastructure of the cave systems within Stan. There may be craters at many of the cave mouths, but no significant damage to much of the infrastructure within this caves and entrances are still there.
Again, the idea that a daisy cutter won any battle within Stan is a joke. Furthermore bombing alone does very little within much of the mountain ranges in Stan (if you can catch the animals out in the open....sure, dropping a JDAM or having a TLAM on the way in can make a great difference (having an AC-130 Spectre...even better) But if these guys aren't out in the open bombing does next to nothing in these mountain ranges. That is just a fact).
Can't argue with having a Spectre but I know the daisy cutters had a big psychological impact and that can't be overlooked either and the one I am refering to did catch them out in the open.
Dev,
This was the one I was referring to and the intent was not to destroy cave complexes but to convey shock and terror through the fighters. It had the intended effect.
This is the one I was refering to. The intent was not to destroy caves.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/011215-attack01.htm
Furthermore this was a NY Post article written very early on in the WOT (Dec 2001) - Additionally much in this "story" is pure speculation (UBL voice heard in a panic - we now know that radio was probably "taped" and UBL had left the Tora Bora region days (perhaps a week) earlier) -
Regarding the Daisy Cutter being dropped, again, this weapon has never concluded or won any battle for U.S. Forces on the ground. This is a writer reporting what some tech staff puke is spinning (not what any actual soldier on the ground is reporting).
Again, this war is an up close and personal type - Which means most of our effective killing of the enemy takes place after we are close enough to have actual "eyes" on them - At that point, if they are out in the open of course putting ordinance on them is a great option (though a more accurate and timely weapon is much more effective than a daisy cutter - especially if we have boots on the ground up close).
Furthermore, we have learned SINCE DEC 2001 (when this story was written) that simply bombing the Tora Bora Mountain range does very little - And many of the causalities we expected to find from our bombing actually didn't come to pass - They simply waited the bombing out within these caves and moved after wards -
The terrain in Stan is simple brutal - even more so in that bombing alone does very little regarding our enemy unless you catch him out in the open. Again, we put incredible amounts of ordinance on the cave complexes within the Zhawar Kili valley and once we put boots on the ground within the region we found all that ordinance did virtually nothing to the infrastructure of the caves themselves.
But I do appreciate the link - (thanks).
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