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Let's get some dates here - Plame debacle
Various, FR | 07/17/05 | Mike Darancette

Posted on 07/17/2005 12:56:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette

There have been many musings about L'Affair Palme but few actual date put to events.

I am posting this request for help in putting these events. I've posted what I believe to be the chronological order events with any real dates that I can discover.

Can Anyone Help?? (all dates 2003)


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chronology; cialeak; novak; palme; powell; rove; wilson
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07/05 - State department Memo on Wilson.
07/06 - Wilson Areticle.
07/07 - Powell waving St. Dept. memo on trip to Africa.
07/08 - Novak talks to Rove.
07/11 - Cooper talks to Rove.
07/11 - Cooper E-mail to Editor.
07/11 - Rove E-mail to Hadly.
07/?? - Miller talks to Rove.
07/?? - Cooper Talks to Libby.
07/14 - Novack Article.
07/17 - Cooper Article.

Seems like Foggy Bottom was shoping their memo to cover their a$$es since Wilson was one of their own.

1 posted on 07/17/2005 12:56:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mike Darancette

Plame.


2 posted on 07/17/2005 12:57:07 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Debacle.


3 posted on 07/17/2005 12:57:47 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Mike Darancette

07/16: David Corn article (first reference to Plame's "covert" status


4 posted on 07/17/2005 12:59:26 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: Mike Darancette
Did you scour everything here?
5 posted on 07/17/2005 1:02:27 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Branding themselves the terrorists’ rights party is unlikely to improve the Dems'06 chances"-MSteyn)
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To: Mike Darancette
A couple of points. You need to start earlier. The first date would be when Plame is brought home from overseas, probably because the assumption was that Adrich Ames had outed her and many other agents.

The next date to list would be Valerie Plame's memo to her Section that Joe get the job. Or, it would be her staff meeting when the subject was discussed, whichever first occurred.

The magic State Department memo you list was dated the day before Wilson's article in the Times. But Times articles are usually available on the Net the night before. So, the State Department could have ginned up the memo that refers to "Valerie Plame" AFTER the Wilson article and in response to it, even though the facial date is after it.

I believe it has been established that Rove was not on the Africa trip. So whatever Powell was doing on that plane to make his Department seem less disloyal would not have reached Rove immediately.

Plus, your list would be more valuable if the money quotes that are now known from each transaction were put in after the date and communication. For example, 07/05 - State Department Memo on Wilson - refers to his wife as "Valerie Wilson"

Those are my suggestions.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Fry Cook Rule for the Supreme Court"

6 posted on 07/17/2005 1:15:00 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 85-15 odds on yes.)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Mike Darancette

Corn is important because back in Febriary he had asked Wilson to write an article for the Nation. They had lunch back then and Corn was particularly interested in Wilson's "establishment" credentials. Given how long it takes to right an article of any length and with any research one must assume that the piece was in process 7 to 10 days ahead of time.


7 posted on 07/17/2005 1:16:50 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

6 May 2003; after meeting Wilson on a "panel", Nicolas Kristof of the NYTimes authors the first article on Wilson's trip to Niger without disclosing Wilson's name.
12 June 2003; Walter Pinkus of the Washington Post writes about Wilson trip to Niger. It is later disclosed that Wilson leaked the story to Pinkus.


8 posted on 07/17/2005 1:22:14 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: gaspar

Is May 6 the Kristof article publication date? Because the interview for the article happened over breakfast at a conference. At breakfast were Wilson, Kristof and Wilson's wife. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKFAST DATE.


9 posted on 07/17/2005 1:25:29 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: Mike Darancette
* When did the friends & neighbors of Plame discover she drove to Langley every day and worked at the CIA? Canvas the neighborhood and ask.

* When did Wilson post his wife's 'secret agent name' of Valerie Plame on his own website, and when was it shut down, and why?

* When did Cooper get his blanket release from his 'source' and why did he make the acrimonious acknowledgment of it 18 months later, when he re-asked, reconfirmed, and got a super-duper, personal, gold leafed repeat moments before going to jail?

10 posted on 07/17/2005 1:27:25 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Mike Darancette
Corn's article ... 7/16/06

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=823



I believe this is how this whole 'leak' 'blew her cover' thing started.

Read Corn's article. HIS article is the first place that mentions Plames as 'covert'. HIS article is the first place to mention Plames was 'outed'. HIS article is the first place to mention a law was broken.

CORN'S column was the first to put forth this theory of "what if" Plames had been undercover. Then he go on assuming that to be fact and starts blaming the Bush administration of leaking that information.

CORN pub forth the theory that Plame was 'covert' which set off a feeding frenzy with the media which led to the current investigation.

How very very clever of Mr. Corn and Mr. Wilson. We now know there was never any "if" in Corn's "what if" theory.

It is now know Plame was NOT covert when Novak's article was written and hadn't been for some time.

I understand Wilson 'shopped' the article Corn ended up writing July 16, 2003. And I believe it was a planned DIVERSION as to the fact Wilson's wife Valerie Plame was responsible for his going to Africa.

Make of this what you want. Howver I strongly believe it was CORN'S article that set this whole thing in motion.
11 posted on 07/17/2005 1:29:11 PM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: hispanarepublicana

Do you have a source? I must have missed this piece of information.

Why is it important? Because in October Kristoff wrote that Plame was laready non covert because of being exposed by Aldrich Ames. But I still cannot figure out how he got this information from the CIA. However, Mrs. Wilson could certainly have mentioned that Ames put her on the beach like many others.


12 posted on 07/17/2005 1:51:45 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Mike Darancette

Look at the W-2 forms. Covert agents do not get W-2 forms from the CIA. Usually a cover company.


13 posted on 07/17/2005 1:55:25 PM PDT by BIGZ
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To: bjc; Timeout

I had to search back through my ping page, but here's the info with source. I got it from another FReeper, "timeout".

FReeper timeout posted:

"Amid all the wondering about who first leaked Plame's name, I've come up with another (very plausible) candidate: Nicholas Kristof, NY Times columnist.

As you'll recall, Kristof's column in May, 2003 was the first to discuss Wilson's trip to Niger (without mentioning Wilson's name).

Well, I just went back and read the Vanity Fair article which featured the now infamous photo of Wilson and Plame in their Jaguar convertible. The article says:

In early May, Wilson and Plame attended a conference sponsored by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee [no partisanship here...no sireee!], at which Wilson spoke about Iraq; one of the other panelists was the New York Times journalist Nicholas Kristof. Over breakfast the next morning with Kristof and his wife, Wilson told about his trip to Niger and said Kristof could write about it, but not name him. At this point what he wanted, Wilson says, was for the government to correct the record... [I'm virtually certain the "with his wife" is referring to Wilson's wife, not Kristof's because she is mentioned as attending the conference, whereas Kristof's wife isn't].

The entire article gives one a good impression of Wilson's concerted effort to create an atmosphere where he would "just HAVE TO correct the record" by disclosing his role in the Niger trip.

But, I'd forgotten that SHE was there at the initial breakfast with Kirstof.

Now I'm wondering if KRISTOF is the source Judith Miller is protecting?!"


14 posted on 07/17/2005 1:56:19 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

It seems rather clear from this that the people the N.Y. Times is supposedly protecting are Wilson and his wife.


15 posted on 07/17/2005 1:57:16 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: hispanarepublicana

That makes more sense (re:Miller's source) than anything I've heard. Great work!


16 posted on 07/17/2005 2:06:22 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99; Timeout

The kudos go to Timeout.


17 posted on 07/17/2005 2:08:32 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Mike Darancette
05/?? - Mr. & Mrs. Wilson Breakfast with Kristoff.
05/?? - Kristoff writes article on Niger trip.
07/05 - State department Memo on Wilson.
07/06 - Wilson Article.
07/07 - Powell waving St. Dept. memo on trip to Africa.
07/08 - Novak talks to Rove.
07/11 - Cooper talks to Rove.
07/11 - Cooper E-mail to Editor.
07/11 - Rove E-mail to Hadly.
07/?? - Miller talks to Rove.
07/?? - Cooper Talks to Libby.
07/14 - Novack Article.
07/17 - Cooper Article.

Kristoff was probably told Miller, Miller may have told Cooper and/or Rove???

18 posted on 07/17/2005 2:23:21 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Timeout

If his wife was with him, then the scenario of Valerie Wilson letting Kristoff know "off the record" that she was more than Mrs Wilson, but a potential active player in the whole WMD and Niger story - is reasonable though still speculative. She could also easily then have talked about her no longer being sent overseas because of Aldrich Ames.

Now I think about it. Her being moreorless limited to the US, may have been a factor in Mr Wilson deciding to quit the foreign service - both of them would be potentially compromised.


19 posted on 07/17/2005 2:28:37 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Here's the May 6, 2003 Kristof column. http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/06/nyt.kristof/

And the Vanity Fair article, January 17, 04 http://www.jimgilliam.com/2004/01/vanity_fairs_profile_on_joseph_wilson_and_valerie_plame.php

Here's more from that Vanity Fair article...stuff I hadn't noticed before nor heard elsewhere:

Wilson is the son of freelance journalists who lived in California and then moved around Europe while he and his brother were growing up. He went to the University of California at Santa Barbara and characterized himself as a "surf dude" with some carpentry skills. In person, he gives off a charismatic, relaxed air, and someone who was with him in Baghdad said it's easy to underestimate him. In 1974 he married his college sweetheart, Susan Otchis, and in 1976 went to work for the State Department. His postings included Niger, Togo-where his wife became pregnant with the first set of Wilson twins, Joseph and Sabrina, now 24-South Africa, and Burundi. It was in Burundi that Susan "decided she'd had about enough of me" and left him, he says. He remains on good terms with the family.

Also in Burundi, Wilson met his second wife, then the cultural counselor at the French Embassy there. They spent a year back in Washington on a congressional fellowship, during which time he worked for Al Gore, then a senator from Tennessee, and Tom Foley, then House majority whip. "It was," Wilson says, "happenstance" that he worked for two Democrats. Then he returned to Africa as deputy chief of mission in the Congo Republic, where he helped Assistant Secretary of State Chester Crocker set up the process that led to negotiations for the withdrawal of the Cuban and South African troops from the Angolan Civil War.

In 1988, Wilson found himself in Baghdad as the number two to Ambassador April Glaspie...

I tell you, I'm beginning to think Mr. Wilson may have been more than a mere "state department employee". Can you say "double agent"?
20 posted on 07/17/2005 2:37:26 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: hispanarepublicana; Timeout

Interesting from a Google search and the resulting blogs, it appears that the left sees Miller and Kristoff as Right Wingers!! At least they appear to be more thoughtful critics of Iraq policy. It raises the possibility that they may have shared information.


21 posted on 07/17/2005 2:39:51 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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Oh, and what does it mean for a grown man and his wife to "spend a year in Washington on a congressional fellowship"? Probably in about 1986/7.


22 posted on 07/17/2005 2:44:06 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: bjc

I think it's more likely Kristof consulted Judith Miller about the matter. She had been writing about WMD's for a long time and would have had extensive CIA contacts.

Let's suppose, after the breakfast, Kristoff goes to Judith to bounce the story off her. It's possible Judith said something like, "Oh, his wife was there? She's CIA, you know".


23 posted on 07/17/2005 2:47:14 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

That makes sense. The increasiong permutations increases the chances of being right!

I also found this from 2004 which reinforces what you brought to light.

http://www.rasmusen.org/x/archives/000028.html


24 posted on 07/17/2005 2:49:37 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: bjc
Hmmm. This is interesting, too...also from Vanity Fair:
But Wilson was caught off guard when around July 9 he received a phone call from Robert Novak, who, according to Wilson, said he'd been told by a C.I.A. source that Wilson's wife worked for the agency. "Can you confirm or deny?" Wilson recalls Novak as saying. "I need another source."

25 posted on 07/17/2005 2:51:02 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout; bjc

I like the Kristof/Miller connection as well. Kristof's wife, FYI, also works for the Times as a reporter. Oops, maybe I shouldn't have gone there....is she fair game?


26 posted on 07/17/2005 2:54:15 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: Mike Darancette
05/03 - Wilson joined the Kerry Campaign
09/03 (or earlier) - Kerry makes pre-war intelligence a prime Campaign issue

Spouse of outed CIA officer signs on with Kerry By Joseph Curl

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Saturday February 14, 2004; Front Page

"In May 2003, after his mission to Niger but before his July 6, 2003, Times op-ed piece, Mr. Wilson began working for Mr. Kerry as an unpaid adviser, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips.

Mr. Wilson originally said reporters told him that White House political adviser Karl Rove told them his wife was "fair game," a statement he later retracted. In September, Mr. Kerry — who is making prewar intelligence a prime campaign issue said the disclosure of Mrs. Plame's name '...is more than another example of politics driving the Bush administration. ... A special counsel should be appointed immediately so that we can find out how George Bush let this happen and hold those responsible accountable.'"

27 posted on 07/17/2005 2:55:30 PM PDT by falpro
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To: hispanarepublicana

Fair game...LOL!

I'm beginning to think Bob Novak and Judy Miller were on separate tracks. According to my post above, Novak told Wilson he had a source at CIA.

I think Miller's source was Kristof...or vice versa. Especially keeping in mind that Miller never wrote an article on this subject. Was she working with Kristof? Was she his source?

As for Matthew Cooper, I think he's probably telling the truth that he first heard it from Rove, in an attempt to wave Time off the allegation that Cheney had requested Wilson's trip. [Not exactly a stellar performance by a reporter...the rumor had been floating all over town from what we've been told].


28 posted on 07/17/2005 3:01:07 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

If Miller's source is an active CIA Agent, could she be afraid of being charged (despite claims she is free to name her source)with exactly the crime that Rove is being accused of?


29 posted on 07/17/2005 3:06:53 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: Optimist

I don't think so...the law doesn't apply to the RECIPIENT of the information. Unless they disseminate it to another, putting them in legal jeopardy.

I think NOVAK got the CIA leak. I think Miller put it together after learning of Kristof's breakfast meeting.


30 posted on 07/17/2005 3:09:20 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Mike Darancette

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


31 posted on 07/17/2005 3:09:41 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

Joseph "Austin Powers" Wilson!


32 posted on 07/17/2005 3:12:04 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Mike Darancette
We are currently doing anal screening checks on 90 year old grandmothers at our airports; our borders are pourous sieves allowing every terrorist and illegal alien easy entry; terrorists are bombing the world capitals and many have been US residents plotting against us; our schools have been degraded by the NEA and AFT, Johnny can't read or add; and the only thing the Liberal media and the Demonrats can focus on is some god-awful ugly CIA desk worm and her despicable, criminal husband!

No wonder this Republic won't last!

33 posted on 07/17/2005 3:13:06 PM PDT by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: Timeout; Registered
Joseph "Austin Powers" Wilson!

Uh oh, I feel a Photoshop moment coming on, unfortunately, I've got to get supper started. Can anybody help out here? (with the photoshop, not with supper)

34 posted on 07/17/2005 3:14:53 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Sorry, I do supper, not photoshop.

We need a cheesy Joe Wilson taking a pair of scissors to a picture of Cheney...chanting "yeah, Baby!".


35 posted on 07/17/2005 3:17:14 PM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout
Here's a resume of sorts from November 1998: Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV. He was by then married to "the former Valerie Plame."
36 posted on 07/17/2005 3:42:10 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Mike Darancette; F-117A

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1444916/posts


See post #15 what Freeper F-117A has discovered!!!!


37 posted on 07/17/2005 3:46:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: maryz

Interesting. Did you notice who were included as endorsing him - beside GHB and James Baker: Dan "Kinko" Rather, Bill "RINO" Cohen, Sandy "down the trousers" Berger and Bill "..." Clinton!!!


38 posted on 07/17/2005 4:08:34 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Mike Darancette
Wait a second here. Kristoff writes an article in MAY and we're supposed to believe it took the WH 2 months to figure out who went to Niger and then finally getting around to "outing" Wilson's wife?

TWO MONTHS??????

39 posted on 07/17/2005 4:08:36 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Timeout

So, Plame is his third wife? I believe he married her in 1997 (3 years after she was outed by Aldrich Ames)


40 posted on 07/17/2005 4:13:05 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

It does seem strange.


41 posted on 07/17/2005 4:19:04 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: McGavin999
TWO MONTHS??????

Yep!

42 posted on 07/17/2005 4:20:26 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Timeout; bitt

here is a start, if someone wants to modify it just add your name also, or remove mine mine... thanks. :D
43 posted on 07/17/2005 4:20:49 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: McGavin999

Can you source her being outed by Aldrich Ames? I can't find anything except the Kristoff piece and that is vague. Marrying Wilson, diplomats are after all overt agents, may have been enough to put her on the beach. Being the wife of an ambassador is a lousy cover.


44 posted on 07/17/2005 4:24:06 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: bjc
JFK & JOE WILSONhttp://www.politicsus.com/011304cjk.htm ^ Posted on 07/17/2005 5:56:30 PM CDT by stocksthatgoup
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Note date Jan 2003 on the Kerry TEAM
45 posted on 07/17/2005 4:32:06 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: stocksthatgoup

No hidden agenda by JOE WILSON


46 posted on 07/17/2005 4:32:56 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: bjc; Howlin

Let me get someone over here who has a lot of documentation on this.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 4:43:45 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Echo Talon

that's hilarious!!! good work!!


48 posted on 07/17/2005 4:44:39 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (There will be no bad talk or loud talk in this place. CB Stubblefield.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


49 posted on 07/17/2005 4:52:12 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Add in the Jan 13 Kerry campaign memo that shows Wilson as being part of the Kerry campaign.


50 posted on 07/17/2005 5:29:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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