Skip to comments.Let's get some dates here - Plame debacle
Posted on 07/17/2005 12:56:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
There have been many musings about L'Affair Palme but few actual date put to events.
I am posting this request for help in putting these events. I've posted what I believe to be the chronological order events with any real dates that I can discover.
Can Anyone Help?? (all dates 2003)
It does seem strange.
Can you source her being outed by Aldrich Ames? I can't find anything except the Kristoff piece and that is vague. Marrying Wilson, diplomats are after all overt agents, may have been enough to put her on the beach. Being the wife of an ambassador is a lousy cover.
No hidden agenda by JOE WILSON
Let me get someone over here who has a lot of documentation on this.
that's hilarious!!! good work!!
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)
Add in the Jan 13 Kerry campaign memo that shows Wilson as being part of the Kerry campaign.
Jan 2003 date appears to have been a typo. This is corrected in later posts in many threads.
Sorry my earlier post does reference a document from the Kerry campaign that refers to Jan 13 2003, but from things on it it seems like it is a typo, and should be 2004.
I'll be back in a bit; we're had a family emergency tonight.
From the Vanity Fair article:
[approximately 1995] After only one year in the job Wilson decided to retire and go into the private sector because "we wanted to have kids, and felt that it had become very difficult to live off two government salaries."The implication being that they had no extra money.
Now, compare that to VDH's testimony:
[approx. 2003 or 2004] Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.Where did the sudden riches come from?
Don't alarm us like that!
I hope everything is OK.
OMG. Remember the famous April Glaspie memo that basically provoked Gulf War I? Could that have Wilson's fingerprints?
Thank God for NewsMax!
ABC News Links Bin Laden and Saddam
Here's a video of the ABC News report:
'In 1988, Wilson found himself in Baghdad as the number two to Ambassador April Glaspie...
OMG. Remember the famous April Glaspie memo that basically provoked Gulf War I? Could that have Wilson's fingerprints?'
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