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Study says ethanol not worth the energy
Denver Rocky Mountain News ^
| July 17, 2005
| Mark Johnson (A.P.)
Posted on 07/17/2005 4:09:40 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58
Facts won't matter here. The ethanol subsidy to corn farmers is too big of a pork barrel program to be stopped by mere scientific evidence.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:12:32 PM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: Graybeard58
My Money (via Government Extortion) will keep it alive for years anyway.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:13:34 PM PDT
by
TexasTransplant
(NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
To: Graybeard58
I hate ethanol and so does my Jimmy. However, around our metropolitan area we are forced to use gas with ethanol added. My truck switches gears easier, runs cooler, and gets a couple more miles a gallon when I can fill up in the outlying areas. Ethanol also burns out the fuel injectors and the fuel line linings.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:13:48 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Shawnlaw
(Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
To: Arkie2
Expect the freerepublic ethanol lobby to arrive soon...
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:15:14 PM PDT
by
jbstrick
(insert clever tagline here)
To: Graybeard58
Some of you may remember this same experiment in the 70s. We had quite a few companies that offered the ethanol formula substitute. It finally faded away. Why is this touted like some revolutionary technology? My gosh, the Japanese were using coal powered vehicles right at the end of the war, so burning corn/soybeans/grass is new?
Ok, now everyone trot out their hydrogen powered econoboxes, I want to see them. I'm not poo-pooing legitimate ideas but some of this stuff is cost-prohibitive, just like the study shows, DUH!
Let's just take over the Middle Eastern oil fields, manage them properly like good capitalists, make some money and create a stable market, heck the Left is accusing us of doing that anyway, let's oblige them!
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:15:50 PM PDT
by
brushcop
(We lift up Pvt. Johnny Chrzenowski in prayer, recovering from burns received in an RPG ambush, Iraq.)
To: jbstrick
Ping them and bring em to the party! I can't believe there are people on this board who believe ethanol serves any useful purpose except to line the pockets of some midwest corn farmers.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:17:13 PM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: Graybeard58
--I'm still waiting to see tractors cultivating corn, burning ethanol and anxiously await the usage of ethanol in the distilleries rather than natural gas to cook the stuff---
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:17:22 PM PDT
by
rellimpank
(urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
To: Arkie2
I can't believe there are people on this board who believe ethanol serves any useful purpose except to line the pockets of some midwest corn farmers. Yeah, we can't have THAT. Not when we can line the pockets of some filthy Arab or bloated oil company baron instead.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:19:47 PM PDT
by
IronJack
To: jbstrick
Expect the freerepublic ethanol lobby to arrive soon... Archer, Daniels, and Midland. They have the best politicians money can buy.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:22:04 PM PDT
by
sportutegrl
(People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
To: Graybeard58
And thus the laws of thermodynamics are preserved to the annoyance of the ethanol crowd.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:22:54 PM PDT
by
steveegg
(Now that the FReepathon is over, I'm in search of a tagline)
To: Graybeard58
"The ethanol industry claims that using 8 billion gallons of ethanol a year will allow refiners to use 2 billion fewer barrels of oil."
Either a typo or hogwash: given their math, 4 gallons of ethanol would save 1 barrel (40 gallons) of crude oil. Assuming 50% conversion of oil to gasoline, it would be 1 gallon of ethanol saving 5 gallons of gasoline. And ethanol is less energetic fuel than gasoline.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:23:49 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: IronJack
You obviously didn't read the article. It takes more energy (oil, natural gas, nuclear, whatever) to produce ethanol than it produces. By using ethanol we are further lining the pockets of the "filthy Arab or bloated oil company baron".
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:23:50 PM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: brushcop
"Ok, now everyone trot out their hydrogen powered econoboxes, I want to see them."
Hydrogen would be great except the only hydrogen we have in any abundance on earth is hydrogen that has already been burned. It can be manufactured (un-burned) but that costs more energy than you would get burning it as a fuel.
In that sense, hydrogen is not a source of energy at all. It's just a rather poor storage mechanism for energy. The only way hydrogen can be a source of energy is in a fusion reactor.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:24:02 PM PDT
by
babygene
(Viable after 87 trimesters)
To: Graybeard58
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:25:16 PM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
(This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
To: Arkie2
I can't believe there are people on this board who believe ethanol serves any useful purpose except to line the pockets of some midwest corn farmers. Useful purpose? What would a good Merlot be without it?
To: Coyoteman
Hmm. Merlot and ethanol. I hadn't thought about it. Let me know how it turns out.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:28:28 PM PDT
by
Arkie2
(No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
To: Graybeard58
Brazil uses ethanol based on a sugar cane manufacturing product cycle. The plant fermenting and distilling the ethanol product produces surplus electricity by burning the stalks. Since embarking on this energy independence path twenty years ago, Brazil is now an energy exporter with a huge number of ethanol running autos. The ethanol is sold side by side with gasoline at local stations, the cost is 30 to 40 per cent less than gas. Acre for acre, cane from the tropics can convert more solar energy to fuel than corn from the temperate zones. This could be a partial solution for Hawaii, Florida, Puerto Rico, some parts of Texas and La.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:28:45 PM PDT
by
mission9
(Be a citizen worth living for, in a Nation worth dying for...)
To: Arkie2
They probably ARE midwest corn farmers.
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:31:23 PM PDT
by
Phocion
(biologists : evolution :: economists : free trade -- on FR this analogy can have multiple meanings!)
To: Graybeard58
excuse me... what am i missing here???
it shouldn't take ANY fossil fuel!!!
if they are making "bio-fuel" then just exactly WHY aren't they burning IT instead of oil to make more???
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posted on
07/17/2005 4:32:41 PM PDT
by
Chode
(American Hedonist ©®)
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