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Venona Ten Years Later: Lessons for Today
History News Network ^ | 7-18-05 | Steven T. Usdin

Posted on 07/17/2005 5:58:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe
As I recall, the erudite beacon of all knowledge that is true and good in the United States, the New York Times, had great difficulty in determining that Stalin was murdering millions of innocent people in the Ukraine and elsewhere in the 30s.

It appears that they have not become any smarter in the past 80 years.

41 posted on 07/17/2005 6:56:31 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: tet68
We see them in ANSWER, PETA and the whole alphabet of leftist/green NGOs across the country.

We also see them in the UN, with their constant striving for "social justice" which is code for 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need', aka communism.

42 posted on 07/17/2005 7:03:38 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

one of the saddest cases to come out that period was the husband of the editor of the washington post: phil graham husband of martha graham.

It was her newspaper, or rather, her dad's newspaper. Graham married into the family. He was groomed to take over the newspaper.

However, during the McCarthy period he was one of the few people who were advised of the contents of the Venona cables.

Never the less, he was unable to stop the Washington Post's attack on everything to do with McCarthy-because by that time the communists had convinced the media that McCarthy was a set up for a pogrom. They took what stalin attempted to do with the doctor's plot and applied it to the republicans in general people like nixon in particular. anyone who sided with McCarthy was immediatly suspect and definitely out.

For someone like graham the difference between the image and the reality was too much. after embarrassing himself with some extra marital flings he committed suicide.

The sad and crazy thing is that martha graham died after the release of the venona cables...but she never understood.


43 posted on 07/17/2005 7:03:42 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: rlmorel
Walter Duranty was a Stalin apologist and wrote for the NYT...go figure. Comrade Durarty won a Pulitzer Prize that the NYT refuses, even today, to return.
44 posted on 07/17/2005 7:07:00 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Book referenced in the article: Venona : Decoding Soviet Espionage in America.

I've added this to my reading list.

45 posted on 07/17/2005 7:07:23 PM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: ckilmer
by that time the communists had convinced the media ...

You do not have to convice your Komrades of anything.

46 posted on 07/17/2005 7:08:21 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: mabelkitty

Unfortunately, there are not a lot of good books about him. I read "Joseph McÇarthy and the Cold War", "The Politics of Fear", "Nightmare in Red" and "Joseph McCarthy : Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator". They all just pissed me off, except the last one, which was pretty good.

However, it was "Witness" that really turned the worm for me. After I read that, I read a couple of books on the Venona Project, and there are a few really good ones out there now.

You must read "Witness", then read up on Venona, and it really brings it all together.

I have to thank Ann Coulter's book for getting me on the path, though. If not for hers, I might never have gone that way.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 7:09:26 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Justanobody

THAT is a great question!

WHO is going to buy time for us this time, with respect to the socialists, communists and islamofacists?

Who is going to be slandered for telling the truth?


48 posted on 07/17/2005 7:12:06 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It revealed that a handful of Russians developed hundreds of sources who spied on President Roosevelt; provided real-time reports on the Manhattan Project, probably shaving years from the USSR’s effort to eliminate America’s monopoly on nuclear weapons; and gave the Red Army blueprints for everything from America’s first jet fighter to its most sophisticated radar.

Great post! The penetration of our country by the USSR is just shocking when studied. In return we did basically nothing until the late 1940's. If the CIA had not been established and the FBI not stepped up its efforts, who knows where it might have ended?

49 posted on 07/17/2005 7:22:42 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: rlmorel
Did Witness have a profound impact on you? I read it about two years ago, and it is in my personal top five of all time. Absolutely riveting, deeply moving book.
50 posted on 07/17/2005 7:24:28 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

Great post. Great comments.


51 posted on 07/17/2005 7:27:50 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Zack Nguyen

Profound, indeed. It ranks in my top five as well.

I think the thing I found MOST disturbing is that the Left and the Media use the same tactics today that they did back then! Of course, they can no longer use certain insinuations and words with impunity as they did back then, calling Whittaker Chambers a "queer", etc.

But the tactics are the same.


52 posted on 07/17/2005 7:28:02 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"The pertinent question is no longer whether Americans spied, but rather how highly educated, intelligent men and women failed to comprehend the true nature of Stalinist communism, and why they were willing to risk their lives and imperil the security of their families, neighbors and friends to commit crimes on behalf of a foreign power opposed to the basic tenets of modern society."

It's not difficult to answer that at all, especially for one who has been through a modern liberal American university.

Communists idealogues descend on the American college campus and commence to exploit the naivete of the brand-new skulls full of mush. They do this by cajoling and belittling all thought that is not in mesh with the communist ideology. If the student doesn't believe it, he is branded as not very bright. All thoughts expousing socialistic utopianism is richly rewarded and all dissent is greeted with failing grades and humiliation.

Thus, by this diabolical excuse for education, the "liberal" mind set becomes the dominant one in academe, and the liberal arts graduate is more inclined to betray his country than to fight for it.

53 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:23 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: rlmorel
Who is going to be slandered for telling the truth?

There are several I can think of, of the top of head, that have already been smeared, accused, slandered, defamed, prosecuted and sentenced in the LSM.

Perhaps one of them will rise to the occasion?

54 posted on 07/17/2005 7:33:21 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good one Joe!


55 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:58 PM PDT by Khurkris (I am currently in a typhoon, lots of rain, lots of wind. Not pleasant.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
McCarthy did some excellent work. Much of what he said was true.

I wonder why, though, that Eisenhower spoke out against him toward the end.

56 posted on 07/17/2005 8:09:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Justanobody
Thanks for the ping; one of my favorite HOT BUTTONS!

To answer your question......most were a part of it.

57 posted on 07/17/2005 8:34:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: rlmorel
Things were NOT "different", back then.

When I was a little girl, my mother made me watch the Army - McCarthy hearings. I really was too little to understand all of it, but I understood enough and my mother filled in the blanks for me. She, like most Americans back then, was a fierce anti-Commie. Most Americans, no matter WHAT the MSM said then, hated Commies and were FOR McCarthy and what he was attempting to do.

58 posted on 07/17/2005 8:41:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I read this book. It also casts serious suspicion onto Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb.


59 posted on 07/17/2005 8:56:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: nopardons

I thought you might like it. I agree with your answer, of course. Wish I could hang out and play connect the dots, but tomorrow looms on the horizon.


60 posted on 07/17/2005 9:27:20 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem!)
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