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Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?
FreeRepublic.com, Conversation with Victor Davis Hanson, Posts re David Corn, et al. ^ | 7/17/05 | FReetheSheeples

Posted on 07/17/2005 7:20:26 PM PDT by FReethesheeples

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.


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Was Joe Wilson, self-promoter the source of his own self-promotion and "martyrdom"? Inquiring Minds want to know...
1 posted on 07/17/2005 7:20:28 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: FReethesheeples

You know yur gonna get spanked for this, posting a vanity in Breaking, eh?


2 posted on 07/17/2005 7:22:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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But nice try. :)

Is Joe related to the Wison family of Smith & Wison fame. ;-)


3 posted on 07/17/2005 7:23:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge; blogblogginaway

Thanks for the warning. Its still breaking. I sent it to NewsMax & WND.


4 posted on 07/17/2005 7:24:36 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

None of this could have happened without higher-up CIA or state-dept approval.


5 posted on 07/17/2005 7:25:48 PM PDT by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge

Oops. Everything else was spelled correctly, wasn't it? Sorry! & Thanks!


6 posted on 07/17/2005 7:26:01 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Alia

Really?


7 posted on 07/17/2005 7:26:24 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

"It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press."

I think it's more likely that Judith Miller and Valerie Plame knew each other, and that Plame was a source for Miller's WMD stories for years. Plame worked on the issues that Miller wrote about, and Washington is a small town.

I think that Miller is in jail to avoid revealing her sources... not on this issue, but for all her WMD stories. She doesn't want to burn her main CIA contact.

If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years.


8 posted on 07/17/2005 7:27:09 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax


9 posted on 07/17/2005 7:27:39 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: NormsRevenge

WND is World Net Daily, of course. Sorry for the abbreviation above..


10 posted on 07/17/2005 7:27:52 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

Whenever a person brags about 'how I made my bones', you know that person can't be taken seriously. What a jerk.


11 posted on 07/17/2005 7:28:08 PM PDT by carola
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To: FReethesheeples

No problem, Not trying to be a meanie, I was a champ speller as a kid and progressed to be a champ spiller as an adult.

Your comments re: are cetainly in the realm of possibility.

Put nothing by Joe and the c"Rats.

Desperation does that to folks. ;-)


12 posted on 07/17/2005 7:29:46 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: FReethesheeples

THAT IS A GREAT HANDLE!!!!

Hehehe, FReethesheeples indeed!


13 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:02 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ping...

I suggested this very thing to you earlier...


14 posted on 07/17/2005 7:30:17 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
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To: adam_az

Thanks for the good information re: a CIA source. You and I agree (& I preemtimvelysaid as much in my text, above) re: Wilson is most likely not being the primary source of the Judith Miller story(-ies on WMD). Its still a possibility that he was a source, and apparently he (Joe Wilson) was a source for David Corn at the Nation.


15 posted on 07/17/2005 7:31:25 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Alia

How many hundreds and thousands of memos are generated by those groups of folks, I wonder.. and how much stuff gets rushed thru without thorough review? ;-)


16 posted on 07/17/2005 7:31:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: adam_az

Thanks, I sent this to Carl at NewsMax too.


17 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:03 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

What about Matthew Coopers own wife, Mandy Grunwald? She's a Clinton hack for 8yrs. She must have known Plame also.


18 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:27 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: carola
Whenever a person brags about 'how I made my bones', you know that person can't be taken seriously. What a jerk.

Moe Green invented Las Vegas..........

Al Gore invented the internet..........

Joey the victim Wilson made his bones the old fashioned way...........with kneepads.

19 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:32 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: FReethesheeples

You are most definitely correct. Dems love to play the martyr. Somehow they think it will help their cause.


20 posted on 07/17/2005 7:32:46 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: adam_az
If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years.

I believe i heard that Plame is still in the CIA(at a different type of job), shouldn't they have removed her totally? I mean, hell she believed the uranium story was bogus before we even investigated it, then asked that her husband go to check it out. HMMM maybe she shouldn't be in there sounds pretty incompetent to me.

21 posted on 07/17/2005 7:34:15 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks, my friend!

;^)

I am a rather very good speller, beleive it or not, but a terrible TYPIST, (seemingly "dyslexic" typist or quite uncoordinated typist).

I can spell, but I CANNOT type!

FReegards,


22 posted on 07/17/2005 7:35:26 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: rlmorel

Thanks, you too!


23 posted on 07/17/2005 7:36:02 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: freeangel

Thanks for your perceptive and accurate comments.


24 posted on 07/17/2005 7:36:32 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

Anybody:

HAS JOE WILSON EVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH TO THE GRAND JURY?


25 posted on 07/17/2005 7:37:26 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Keith in Iowa

Yes, BillyBob, you did suggest this earlier, and you are quite perceptive,

--- & I also opied this exact story to your Post (& pinged you, I think).

Bravo for you, buddy!


26 posted on 07/17/2005 7:38:41 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Ron in Acreage

Yes!

That is a great and highly relevant story: Mandy Grunwald, Matt Cooper's wife is a notable * famous Hillary Staffer.

Notice, I didn't say Joe was Matt Cooper's likely primary soruce either.

Thanks for adding to the discussion, Mandy Grunwald's role or at least influence on her husband's "spin" deserves to be examined.


27 posted on 07/17/2005 7:41:30 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Echo Talon

I agree with your point: Plame may (or may not be) be (somewhere) in the CIA, but she is also a Vanity Fair Magazine Model (twice).


28 posted on 07/17/2005 7:43:12 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: linkinpunk

Good question:

"Has Joe Wilson testified under oath to the Grand Jury?"

Kudos!


29 posted on 07/17/2005 7:44:07 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Thank you again, BillyBob!


30 posted on 07/17/2005 7:44:33 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: carola

I defer to your perceptive description of Joe Wilson as being a "jerk."

Kudos.


31 posted on 07/17/2005 7:45:24 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Alia

Re; "None of this could have happened without higher-up CIA or state-dept approval."

Intriguing and plausible comment.

Thanks for your contribution.


32 posted on 07/17/2005 7:47:45 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

yep, but her judgment is so poor, I feel that she shouldn't be serving this country in any capacity at the CIA.


33 posted on 07/17/2005 7:48:16 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good for you, Champ!


34 posted on 07/17/2005 7:48:28 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

It's been my gut reaction from the git-go that Wilson and Plame did the "outing," with a mind to disrupt the 2004 Election into the bargain.


36 posted on 07/17/2005 7:51:39 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: Echo Talon; adam_az

"If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years."

Intriguing comment(s) and response.

Please add more info adam_az, if you can. Thanks for any further illumination on this or Links.


37 posted on 07/17/2005 7:51:48 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Ron in Acreage

We refer to her as Manly Grunwald.


38 posted on 07/17/2005 7:53:35 PM PDT by secret garden (There's no place like home!)
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To: mickeysplane

you've never been on the team.


39 posted on 07/17/2005 7:54:58 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: FReethesheeples

"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"

Yes


40 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:06 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: adam_az

So Valerie Plame was quite possibly (nd perhaps quite probably)the primary source of her own non-"outing"?

Wow! Makes sense or is at least internally consistent, is it not, thus far, with what we may (or may not) know.

Great and plausible story. Thanks for the illuminating contribution!


41 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:30 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"

Yes


42 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:37 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

LOL!


43 posted on 07/17/2005 7:55:53 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: Echo Talon

I agree, most likely, re: poor judgement in marrying Joe Wilson, at least.


44 posted on 07/17/2005 7:57:28 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples
I'm sorry Wilson's wife is not hot.

And a Mercedes is the equivalent of a Chevy in Germany.

45 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:16 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: Solamente

I salute your intuition re: Plame & Wilson doingthier own "outing."

Thus far, it (this hypothesis) seems ot hold water, with the limited amoount of public knowledge to date.

Bravo!


46 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:20 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

If you get the chance, could ask V.D. Hanson if there could be a possible connection between Elias Aburdene (of Rock Creek Enterprises) and the terrorist supporting Muslim organisation that Judith Miller is in trouble for possibly warning of the raid by the Homeland Security people? Wilson worked/works for Rock Creek. He claims to be in business for himself but his office is still within their office, his email is still on their server and all his business is as a go between for Rock Creek.


47 posted on 07/17/2005 7:59:30 PM PDT by Eva
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To: NormsRevenge

Good point at # 16, NormsRevenge.


48 posted on 07/17/2005 8:00:11 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: FReethesheeples

What's the approximate date of the conversation between VDH and Joe Wilson?


49 posted on 07/17/2005 8:00:47 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: adam_az

Yeah, and I'd like to see Plame FRY for that.


50 posted on 07/17/2005 8:01:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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