Skip to comments.Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?
Posted on 07/17/2005 7:20:26 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's "cover" (even if she had not been a covert CIA agent at the time of the alleged "leaks")?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.
You know yur gonna get spanked for this, posting a vanity in Breaking, eh?
But nice try. :)
Is Joe related to the Wison family of Smith & Wison fame. ;-)
Thanks for the warning. Its still breaking. I sent it to NewsMax & WND.
None of this could have happened without higher-up CIA or state-dept approval.
Oops. Everything else was spelled correctly, wasn't it? Sorry! & Thanks!
"It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press."
I think it's more likely that Judith Miller and Valerie Plame knew each other, and that Plame was a source for Miller's WMD stories for years. Plame worked on the issues that Miller wrote about, and Washington is a small town.
I think that Miller is in jail to avoid revealing her sources... not on this issue, but for all her WMD stories. She doesn't want to burn her main CIA contact.
If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years.
WND is World Net Daily, of course. Sorry for the abbreviation above..
Whenever a person brags about 'how I made my bones', you know that person can't be taken seriously. What a jerk.
No problem, Not trying to be a meanie, I was a champ speller as a kid and progressed to be a champ spiller as an adult.
Your comments re: are cetainly in the realm of possibility.
Put nothing by Joe and the c"Rats.
Desperation does that to folks. ;-)
THAT IS A GREAT HANDLE!!!!
Hehehe, FReethesheeples indeed!
I suggested this very thing to you earlier...
Thanks for the good information re: a CIA source. You and I agree (& I preemtimvelysaid as much in my text, above) re: Wilson is most likely not being the primary source of the Judith Miller story(-ies on WMD). Its still a possibility that he was a source, and apparently he (Joe Wilson) was a source for David Corn at the Nation.
How many hundreds and thousands of memos are generated by those groups of folks, I wonder.. and how much stuff gets rushed thru without thorough review? ;-)
Thanks, I sent this to Carl at NewsMax too.
What about Matthew Coopers own wife, Mandy Grunwald? She's a Clinton hack for 8yrs. She must have known Plame also.
Moe Green invented Las Vegas..........
Al Gore invented the internet..........
Joey the victim Wilson made his bones the old fashioned way...........with kneepads.
You are most definitely correct. Dems love to play the martyr. Somehow they think it will help their cause.
I believe i heard that Plame is still in the CIA(at a different type of job), shouldn't they have removed her totally? I mean, hell she believed the uranium story was bogus before we even investigated it, then asked that her husband go to check it out. HMMM maybe she shouldn't be in there sounds pretty incompetent to me.
Thanks, my friend!
I am a rather very good speller, beleive it or not, but a terrible TYPIST, (seemingly "dyslexic" typist or quite uncoordinated typist).
I can spell, but I CANNOT type!
Thanks, you too!
Thanks for your perceptive and accurate comments.
HAS JOE WILSON EVER TESTIFIED UNDER OATH TO THE GRAND JURY?
Yes, BillyBob, you did suggest this earlier, and you are quite perceptive,
--- & I also opied this exact story to your Post (& pinged you, I think).
Bravo for you, buddy!
That is a great and highly relevant story: Mandy Grunwald, Matt Cooper's wife is a notable * famous Hillary Staffer.
Notice, I didn't say Joe was Matt Cooper's likely primary soruce either.
Thanks for adding to the discussion, Mandy Grunwald's role or at least influence on her husband's "spin" deserves to be examined.
I agree with your point: Plame may (or may not be) be (somewhere) in the CIA, but she is also a Vanity Fair Magazine Model (twice).
"Has Joe Wilson testified under oath to the Grand Jury?"
Thank you again, BillyBob!
I defer to your perceptive description of Joe Wilson as being a "jerk."
Re; "None of this could have happened without higher-up CIA or state-dept approval."
Intriguing and plausible comment.
Thanks for your contribution.
yep, but her judgment is so poor, I feel that she shouldn't be serving this country in any capacity at the CIA.
Good for you, Champ!
It's been my gut reaction from the git-go that Wilson and Plame did the "outing," with a mind to disrupt the 2004 Election into the bargain.
"If anyone committed a crime leaking, my guess is it was Valerie Plame leaking top secret data to Miller for years."
Intriguing comment(s) and response.
Please add more info adam_az, if you can. Thanks for any further illumination on this or Links.
We refer to her as Manly Grunwald.
you've never been on the team.
"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"
So Valerie Plame was quite possibly (nd perhaps quite probably)the primary source of her own non-"outing"?
Wow! Makes sense or is at least internally consistent, is it not, thus far, with what we may (or may not) know.
Great and plausible story. Thanks for the illuminating contribution!
"Was Joe Wison Himself A "Leak" Source in Revealing Plame's CIA Identity?"
I agree, most likely, re: poor judgement in marrying Joe Wilson, at least.
And a Mercedes is the equivalent of a Chevy in Germany.
I salute your intuition re: Plame & Wilson doingthier own "outing."
Thus far, it (this hypothesis) seems ot hold water, with the limited amoount of public knowledge to date.
If you get the chance, could ask V.D. Hanson if there could be a possible connection between Elias Aburdene (of Rock Creek Enterprises) and the terrorist supporting Muslim organisation that Judith Miller is in trouble for possibly warning of the raid by the Homeland Security people? Wilson worked/works for Rock Creek. He claims to be in business for himself but his office is still within their office, his email is still on their server and all his business is as a go between for Rock Creek.
Good point at # 16, NormsRevenge.
What's the approximate date of the conversation between VDH and Joe Wilson?
Yeah, and I'd like to see Plame FRY for that.