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Muslims in fatal denial of HIV/AIDS
thestandard.com.hk ^ | July 18, 2005 | Laura Kelley and Nicholas Eberstadt

Posted on 07/17/2005 10:08:48 PM PDT by F14 Pilot

Edited on 07/17/2005 10:40:02 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Few Islamic countries have taken steps to tackle the pandemic as the death toll continues to mount.

''I just pray that God ends my life before more symptoms show. I don't want to create problems for my family.''

Before his HIV-positive diagnosis in 2001, the Egyptian engineer who spoke these words thought that AIDS was a faraway disease that afflicted only foreigners. He had no idea that the global AIDS pandemic had reached his country. Now he says he would rather kill himself than be rejected along with his family by neighbors and friends, who regard HIV as synonymous with sin and shame.


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1 posted on 07/17/2005 10:08:55 PM PDT by F14 Pilot
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To: DoctorZIn; McGavin999; freedom44; nuconvert; sionnsar; AdmSmith; parisa; onyx; Pro-Bush; Valin; ...

PING!


2 posted on 07/17/2005 10:09:42 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

Denial ain't a river in Egypt.


3 posted on 07/17/2005 10:10:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

hehehehe!

But honestly, this is serious!

;-)


4 posted on 07/17/2005 10:10:38 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot

well afterall, you always here that men are for pleasure and women for babies in the muslim world.
hard to believe, but....


5 posted on 07/17/2005 10:10:52 PM PDT by ottersnot (Kill a commie for your mommie....Johnnie Ramone. American Rocker and patriot)
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To: F14 Pilot

Ill winds, and all that.


6 posted on 07/17/2005 10:11:01 PM PDT by decal ("The French should stick to kisses, toast and fries.")
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To: F14 Pilot

Can camels, sheep or goats get AIDS?


7 posted on 07/17/2005 10:14:51 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ottersnot

Yeah... I'm heard some sick sick stories about Iraq and Afganistan and not about the Taliban or terrorists. Don't be fooled, those people are not "people yearning to be free" they are culturally entrenched in widespread rape, abuse of women, and homosexuality.


8 posted on 07/17/2005 10:16:36 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: ncountylee

Where's the outrage from PETA?


9 posted on 07/17/2005 10:17:07 PM PDT by namsman
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To: F14 Pilot

I knew all that bending over in their majids would lead to trouble..


10 posted on 07/17/2005 10:17:48 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty (Crush the jihadists, drive their minions before you, and hear the whining of their mullahs!)
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To: ottersnot

Maybe they are trying for 72 on the front end and counting on the post mortum 72 promised.


11 posted on 07/17/2005 10:19:22 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there that's the best!!)
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To: F14 Pilot
In Kerman, in southern Iran, an enraged father not long ago took an axe and chopped his 23-year-old son to pieces for bringing AIDS into his family.

Isn't Islam wonderful? There is a solution for any personal problem.

12 posted on 07/17/2005 10:19:40 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: F14 Pilot

Dance with the Devil...


13 posted on 07/17/2005 10:20:13 PM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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To: F14 Pilot

They should try reading Deuteronomy and the Judges then they see what awaits them. They won't so......


14 posted on 07/17/2005 10:20:36 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

---Don't be fooled, those people are not "people yearning to be free" they are culturally entrenched in widespread rape, abuse of women, and homosexuality.---

Gee, that sounds familiar. Wonder where I've seen that sort of thing going on?


15 posted on 07/17/2005 10:23:05 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: F14 Pilot; CHARLITE

on the one hand: I am disinclined to weep for those who catch lethal pathogens by engaging in gross and promiscuous sexual activities. Reap what you sow, and all that.

on the other hand: if this leads to a massive reduction in the teeming hordes of militant Muslims who are, don't doubt it, our enemies... the pragmatic and inhuman part of me would be tempted to call this a good thing.

on the other other hand: I can easily see how some clever swot might gin up a fatwa claiming that those with AIDS can cleanse themselves of their defilement and remove the dishonor they have brought on their families by strapping on Semtex jumpsuit and blowing themselves up amidst the infidels in the Dar al Harb. Hell - it'd be a two-fer: explosive damage and biological warfare.

so, in sum: I am hard pressed to say whether I find this information good, bad, or indifferent.


16 posted on 07/17/2005 10:23:53 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: F14 Pilot

I'll drink to that news........Bottoms Up! ragheads.


17 posted on 07/17/2005 10:24:32 PM PDT by ~Matahari (How is News Max less Opportunistic than McCain?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

We can only hope.


18 posted on 07/17/2005 10:26:17 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: F14 Pilot

Well, if the men keep buggering the boys and passing them around, just what do they expect?


19 posted on 07/17/2005 10:28:01 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: F14 Pilot

By crikey, that's terrible news!


20 posted on 07/17/2005 10:28:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: F14 Pilot

hmmmmmm, I wonder if any of the homicide bombers have had aids? If they want to end it all partly because of that? Saves them shame, and they get to go to paradise.


21 posted on 07/17/2005 10:29:26 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: F14 Pilot

"The disease is spreading quickly, and without proper prevention and treatment, many more Muslims will become infected and die."

Oh no!!!

Psssst ... are they a bunch of homos?


22 posted on 07/17/2005 10:30:59 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Ask any returning male soldier from Iraq if they heard the term "men are for sex, women are for babies" and you will get

1. A huge laugh
2. A query from the soldier "how did you know about that?"
3. And a feeling of "what else is the media not telling me about the world becuase its not PC"


23 posted on 07/17/2005 10:38:16 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

You are exactly right. Early in the Afghanistan war, I read an interesting article by a man that had spent a lengthy career in the oil patch in Iraq and also in Afghanistan with companies searching for new sources. He wrote of that very thing (homosexuality) in those societies. He said that it will surface someday soon enough, looks like it's doing just that.


24 posted on 07/17/2005 10:39:21 PM PDT by brushcop (We lift up Pvt. Johnny Chrzenowski in prayer, recovering from burns received in an RPG ambush, Iraq.)
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To: F14 Pilot

If the information in this article is true, then most likely a great number of innocent people in that region will suffer and die of AIDS just as they have done in Africa, and just as they have done here, as well as those who brought it upon themselves through their behavior. Fanatical Islamists are our enemies, and perhaps to some extent so-called moderates are too, but I would not want to encourage anyone here to become someone who rejoices in the death and misery of others. We'll kill them if we must, but let's not revel in it.


25 posted on 07/17/2005 10:51:20 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: F14 Pilot

Fatal denial seems to be a congenital defect of these people.


26 posted on 07/17/2005 10:53:42 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM is trying to make us believe, Judith Miller is in jail to protect Karl Rove!)
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To: F14 Pilot
"This much is clear: The disease is spreading quickly, and without proper prevention and treatment, many more Muslims will become infected and die."

Can't quite figure out my ambivilance.

27 posted on 07/17/2005 10:55:01 PM PDT by ThirstyMan
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To: King Prout

Every cloud has a silver lining and every silver lining has a cloud within.


28 posted on 07/17/2005 10:58:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: fr_freak

"kill them if we must, but let's not revel in it".




If I get a chance, I WILL revel in it! Forget the civilized crap, we aren't fighting a civilized enemy.


29 posted on 07/17/2005 11:18:36 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Couldn't happen to nicer people. You know the ones who practice the religion of peace with the home made bomb vests. I only hope the share the "wealth" before the die a long and painful death.
What happened to their Idol god????? Why isn't he protecting them???
Lock and load and make them glow!!!!!


31 posted on 07/18/2005 12:00:45 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: vox humana
Isn't Islam wonderful? There is a solution for any personal problem.

Yep, and it usually involves some sort of blade.

32 posted on 07/18/2005 12:24:11 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Cacique

Ping!


33 posted on 07/18/2005 12:30:36 AM PDT by Clemenza (JJesus CChrist MMade SSeattle UUnder PProtest)
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To: F14 Pilot

Well, didn't he get HIV from doing something sinful and shameful?


34 posted on 07/18/2005 12:32:38 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: icwhatudo

I thought the correct term was "a woman for children, a boy for pleasure." BOYS.


35 posted on 07/18/2005 1:08:31 AM PDT by Calico Cat (the simplest solution is usually the correct one)
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To: F14 Pilot
Swell. Now we'll have to defend against homo-cide bombers.
36 posted on 07/18/2005 2:40:17 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: F14 Pilot
Let's keep our eye on this. The Islamofascists and homo-nazis are forming an unholy alliance against America, I believe.
37 posted on 07/18/2005 3:12:47 AM PDT by Now_is_The_Time (They hate us because we're better.)
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To: F14 Pilot

Could be their downfall.


38 posted on 07/18/2005 3:36:16 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: fr_freak
...If the information in this article is true, then most likely a great number of innocent people in that region will suffer and die of AIDS just as they have done in Africa"

What is Africa after all, but the Middle East without oil?

Mostly a civilization hundreds of years behind the times, with corrupt dictators running around all over the place and killing their own people.

39 posted on 07/18/2005 4:00:39 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Don't be fooled, those people are not "people yearning to be free" they are culturally entrenched in widespread rape, abuse of women, and homosexuality.

All this and the Arab "innocence" regarding allah's omniscience. I can't tell you how many times I was told in Saudi that if it's dark, allah can't see what you're doing.

Used to get admonished around the souks about wearing a ballcap that "shielded my eyes from allah".

In my opinion, these people live a very sensual existence whereas they have no concept of anything outside the realm of their own five senses. Regardless of what the koran sez, the majority of the islamsits only memorize the verses, the crazy mullahs are the ones that explain it to them. And the mullahs, imans and royal families have a vested interest in keeping the masses ignorant and agitated about almost anything else besides their political/religious state of affairs.

The pilot of the plane on my first trip into Saudi had it right, when after he checked the cabin for arabs said: "Local time is 2 AM, set your watches back 500 years."

40 posted on 07/18/2005 4:02:14 AM PDT by woofer
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To: King Prout

Interesting thought.

Maybe the suicide bombers aren't just college kids who aren't doing so well with their grades, but ones who also picked up HIV and don't want to disgrace their families...

Go out a hero and no one the wiser?


41 posted on 07/18/2005 4:12:20 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: fr_freak
most likely a great number of innocent people in that region will suffer and die of AIDS just as they have done in Africa

Since when are these people innocent?

Isn't there something in the Bible that goes "And the sins of the fathers will be visited upon the children ...even unto the tenth generation..."

42 posted on 07/18/2005 4:15:10 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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"Since when are these people innocent?"

So, if a muslim like this girl, gets AIDS from her husband (who hasn't told her he has it, or maybe doesn't know), you wouldn't consider her innocent?


43 posted on 07/18/2005 4:59:01 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert
if a muslim like this girl, gets AIDS from her husband (who hasn't told her he has it, or maybe doesn't know), you wouldn't consider her innocent?

We are all born in sin.

Ain't for me to decide.

I'm just taking God's word for it that we are all sinners, none of us is innocent, and we all need a Savior.

44 posted on 07/18/2005 5:07:29 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: F14 Pilot

be rejected along with his family by neighbors and friends, who regard HIV as synonymous with sin and shame.


That is the way it should be regarded.


45 posted on 07/18/2005 6:06:39 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: F14 Pilot

I read recently that the Muslims in Africa were spreading a rumor that U.S. supplied polio vaccine was contaminated with HIV.

The result; polio, once eradicated, has returned to Africa.


So there is at least some awareness of Aids in the Muslim world.

Lovely people.


46 posted on 07/18/2005 6:11:18 AM PDT by LiberationIT
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To: F14 Pilot

So be it. If they want to die for their cultural/religious beliefs then let it take it's logical path.


47 posted on 07/18/2005 6:14:17 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: All
So now when a bomber explodes you not only have to worry about getting hit with nails, staples, and ball bearings, you now have to worry about the bombers blood getting into your wound? (Rhetorical)
48 posted on 07/18/2005 6:41:36 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Minus_The_Bear

AND (not "but") let's clean this up in the United States too! Why do we giggle at the sodomites here? Why do so many television programs highlight them as normal?


49 posted on 07/18/2005 6:48:28 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: F14 Pilot

"And scattered about it, some in their overturned war-machines, some in the now rigid handling-machines, and a dozen of them stark and silent and laid in a row, were the Martians--dead!--slain by the putrefactive and disease bacteria against which their systems were unprepared; slain as the red weed was being slain; slain, after all man's devices had failed, by the humblest things that God, in his wisdom, has put upon this earth."


50 posted on 07/18/2005 7:24:19 AM PDT by null and void (You'll learn more on FR by accident, than other places by design)
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