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Buying Big Guns? No Big Deal
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Posted on 07/18/2005 5:43:38 AM PDT by Alex Marko

CBS) Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden sent one of his operatives to the United States to buy and bring back two-dozen .50-caliber rifles, a gun that can kill someone from over a mile away and even bring down an airplane.

In spite of all the recent efforts to curb terrorism, bin Laden could do the same thing today, because buying and shipping the world’s most powerful sniper rifle is not as difficult as you might think.

Last winter, Correspondent Ed Bradley reported on just how powerful the gun is. New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly had a sharpshooter fire the department’s own .30-caliber sniper rifle and the bullets bounced off a half-inch-thick plate of steel. Then, the marksman fired the .50-caliber sniper rifle, and the bullets blew right through the steel plate.

Now, you’ll hear from a gunrunner who, just a few years ago, was able to outfit a guerrilla army in Kosovo with those powerful weapons. He was willing to talk to 60 Minutes, because now he thinks what he did was much too easy.

The gunrunner's name is Florin Krasniqi, and he is seen providing a new shipment of weapons to Albanian rebels, who are about to smuggle them over the mountains into Kosovo. After a few days' journey on horseback, the guns will end up in the hands of a guerrilla force known as the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has been fighting for independence from Serbia for nearly a decade.

Krasniqi took these guns to his family's home in Kosovo. Most of them were easy to get in Albania, but not the .50-caliber rifles. "This is, we get from the home of the brave and the land of the free, as we would like to say," says Krasniqi, who lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Krasniqi came to America in 1989. He was smuggled across the Mexican border in the trunk of a car with just $50 in his pocket. Today, he’s an American citizen, and the owner of a highly successful roofing business.

"This is what I do for a living," says Krasniqi. "This is how we earn the money in New York. There’s a large Albanian-American community in the New York City area."

When the war broke out in Kosovo in 1998, many of the young men volunteered to fight. Krasniqi realized he’d be more valuable raising money for the guerrilla army. Then, he started buying standard equipment at a Brooklyn Army-Navy store.

"Anything you need to run a small guerrilla army, you can buy here in America," says Krasniqi. "You have all the guns you need here to fight a war. M-16s. That's what the U.S. soldiers carry in Iraq. All the rifles which U.S. soldiers use in every war, you can buy them in a gun store or a gun show."

What gun became the weapon of choice for Krasniqi? "By far, the weapon of choice was a .50-caliber rifle," says Krasniqi. "You could kill a man from over a mile away. You can dismantle a vehicle from a mile away."

He says it can also be "very easily" used against helicopters and planes.

If the power of the .50-caliber rifle amazed Krasniqi, what amazed him even more was how easy it was to buy. Krasniqi allowed a Dutch documentary film crew to accompany him to a gun store in Pennsylvania.

"You just have to have a credit card and clear record, and you can go buy as many as you want. No questions asked," says Krasniqi.

Was he surprised at how easy it was to get it? "Not just me. Most of non-Americans were surprised at how easy it is to get a gun in heartland America," says Krasniqi. "Most of the dealers in Montana and Wyoming don’t even ask you a question. It’s just like a grocery store."

And, he says there are a variety of choices for ammunition, which is easy to get as well. "Armor-piercing bullets, tracing bullets," says Krasniqi. "[Ammunition] is easier than the rifles themselves. For the ammunition, you don't have to show a driver’s license or anything."

"You can just go into a gun show or a gun store in this country and buy a shell that will pierce armor? A civilian," asks Bradley.

"You never did that? You’re an American. You can go to the shows and see for yourself," says Krasniqi. "Ask the experts. They’ll be happy to help you."

asked expert Joe Vince, a former top official at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, if anyone, even a terrorist, could easily buy 50-caliber rifles.

"We are the candy store for guns in the world. And it's easy for people to acquire them here," says Vince, who adds that America is "absolutely" the best place for a terrorist to equip himself with guns.

"There’s a lot of concern about terrorists bringing weapons of mass destruction into the United States," says Bradley. "Why should we care about small arms, guns like the .50-caliber, leaving the United States?"

"Small arms are the No. 1 weapon for terrorists," says Vince. "On the newsreels about Iraq and Afghanistan, you always see the insurgents standing there with their shoulder-held rocket launchers. But in fact, that is one round, where an assault weapon can be repeatedly fired – as many rounds as you have. It’s a much better tactical weapon."

Are these small-caliber weapons used more often to kill people than large weapons? "Absolutely," says Vince.

60 Minutes asked Krasniqi how he shipped .50-caliber rifles out of the United States.

"You just put in the airplane, declare them and go anywhere you want," says Krasniqi. "It's completely legal. It's a hunting rifle."

Krasniqi says he shipped the rifles to Albania, and then the soldiers carried them onto the battlefields. He wouldn’t say how many .50-caliber rifles he sent to Kosovo, so 60 Minutes asked Stacy Sullivan, a former Newsweek correspondent, who wrote a book about Krasniqi called, “Be Not Afraid, For You Have Sons in America.”

How many guns did Krasniqi ship over there? "Probably a couple of hundred," says Sullivan. "It's easy. You're allowed to take two or three at a time. He had a group of guys that were dispersed in the U.S., some in Alaska, some in Nevada, some in California, some in Michigan, some in Illinois. And they would each buy a few at a time, and they would take them over in twos and threes on commercial airlines."

Krasniqi’s team of gunrunners never had a problem getting the guns out of the United States. But they often had to switch flights in Switzerland, and authorities there wanted to know what they were doing with such powerful weapons.

"We told them ‘We’re going to hunt elephants.’ And they said, ‘There’s no elephants in Albania,’" says Krasniqi. "And we told them we were going to Tanzania, so we had set up a hunting club here and a hunting club in Albania."

"You had to set up a phony hunting club in Albania, tell the Swiss authorities that men from this hunting club were going to go to Tanzania to shoot elephants," asks Bradley.

"Yes," says Krasniqi. "I never saw an elephant in my life, never mind shot one."

Even so, Krasniqi’s team needed evidence to support the African hunting story, so he says, "We had bought an elephant in Tanzania and set up the whole documentation, so it proved to them we are just elephant hunters."

He says he paid approximately $10,000 for the elephant. But he never got the elephant. "We were not interested in elephants," says Krasniqi. "We were interested to fight a desperate war."

Krasniqi’s shipments of .50-caliber rifles gave the guerrillas a confidence and firepower they’d never had before. But they weren’t getting enough of them. So Krasniqi broke the law by shipping the rifles out in larger quantities than customs allowed.

What was Krasniqi's largest shipment of .50-caliber rifles to Kosovo? "One was on an airplane that he filled up with weapons," says Sullivan. "And I think there were about a hundred guns in there,… 100 .50-caliber rifles."

According to Sullivan, the gunrunners transported the guns on a truck to New York’s Kennedy airport and hid them inside shipments of food and clothing destined for refugees.

"They put the palettes into a plane. Nothing gets X-rayed," says Sullivan. "It's wrapped up as humanitarian aid."

The fact that Krasniqi could smuggle a large shipment of guns out of Kennedy airport came as no surprise to the man who oversaw U.S. Customs at the time, now New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

"With the volume of shipments that leave our country and come in, I wouldn’t doubt that it’s possible to ship these guns overseas," says Kelly. "There are regulations that permit rifles to be shipped overseas. They limit the number, but there are probably ways of getting around the regulations."

"I would assume it’s safe to say we don’t have the number of customs agents who could check in that kind of detail every flight that leaves the country," says Bradley.

"No, that's true," says Kelly.

Tracking weapons as they leave the country is like finding a needle in a haystack, unless federal agents are already tracking the smugglers and their activities. Vince, a former ATF official, says Congress should pass a law that would enable law enforcement officials to maintain computerized records of gun sales, something the gun lobby strenuously opposes.

Right now, Vince says there isn't a central database for gun purchases. "There is no national registration whatsoever," says Vince. "If we had computerized all the sales of firearms, we could be looking at patterns of activity."

And Vince says this includes all those .50-calibers purchased by Krasniqi and his team of gunrunners: "People normally buy firearms for hunting, for sporting purposes and self-defense. But you don’t buy 50 of the same type of weapon – or more in this case. It would obviously, through any type of analysis, ring buzzers with customs or anybody else investigating this."

How would Krasniqi describe the gun laws in this country? "More liberal than the wildest European imagination," says Krasniqi. "You can imagine them being liberal, and they are more liberal than that."

"But you wouldn’t have been able to buy guns for the Kosovo Liberation Army if the gun laws in this country were stricter," says Bradley. "And I’m hearing you say you’re anti-gun. How can you be anti-gun when you’re buying guns to free your people?"

"I took advantage of a liberal law here in this country to help my old country," says Krasniqi. "And I believe in my heart I did it for the good. But some people can do it for the bad."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaida; balkans; banglist; binladen; eu; islam; kosovo; middleeast; military; waronterror; weapons

1 posted on 07/18/2005 5:43:39 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

More gun control agitprop.


2 posted on 07/18/2005 5:49:58 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: All
Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden sent one of his operatives to the United States to buy and bring back two-dozen .50-caliber rifles, a gun that can kill someone from over a mile away and even bring down an airplane.

Golly, I wonder where this is going...

3 posted on 07/18/2005 5:52:12 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Alex Marko
That is why he needs to liberate his country rather than we having to liberate ours. The people of America have the two things they neeed to assure their own freedom: guns and butter. In his native land they had only butter. We all should know how specious this "gun control" argument is. People kill people, guns alone do not kill people.
4 posted on 07/18/2005 5:52:39 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Disambiguator

More gun control for non-US citizens YES. Not for honest, hardworking americans. Racial profiling doesnt seem that bad to me.


5 posted on 07/18/2005 5:52:40 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

Guns don't kill people in Albania. Albanian muslims kill people.


6 posted on 07/18/2005 5:52:43 AM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: Alex Marko

They show a story about the 50 cal every three months or so.... guess they will not give up until it is banned.


7 posted on 07/18/2005 5:53:41 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Alex Marko
(CBS) Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden sent one of his operatives to the United States to buy and bring back two-dozen .50-caliber rifles, a gun that can kill someone from over a mile away and even bring down an airplane.

The reason they know this, is because they have a memo from 1973.

8 posted on 07/18/2005 5:55:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Looks like the Supreme Court wants to play Cowboys and Homeowners.)
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To: Alex Marko
I'm not saying I can do it, (I'm not a good enough shot) but in technical terms a standard 30.06 hunting rifle can kill a man from over a mile away....in fact a 100 year old sharps 45.110 can kill a man from over a mile away. It's not such a tall technical hurdle. Hitting the man at that distance is another story ...

But I guess asking the media to learn something about the thing their reporting on is a bit too much.

9 posted on 07/18/2005 5:57:47 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: Alex Marko
M-16s. That's what the U.S. soldiers carry in Iraq. All the rifles which U.S. soldiers use in every war, you can buy them in a gun store or a gun show."

Proof that this guy hasn't tried to purchase a class III firearm at a gun show. - PURE BS

GE
10 posted on 07/18/2005 5:57:56 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Alex Marko

Six years ago, we had KLA terrorist doing the same thing shipping them back to KosovO.


11 posted on 07/18/2005 5:58:44 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Alex Marko

It's crap like this why I stopped watching that trash show. It's no better than any tabloid you would find in a supermarket isle.

Remember also that the more we watch this tripe, the more they will keep up with these fairy tale stories.

Mike


12 posted on 07/18/2005 5:59:51 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: Alex Marko
If Europeans had the right to Keep and Bear Arms, they wouldn't be having the problems that they have in Kosovo.

Thank-you Ed Bradley!
Although I'm sure it wasn't intentional, this story DOES dramatize how nations with an armed citizenry are much more peaceful and lawabiding than those where firearms are banned.

13 posted on 07/18/2005 6:00:31 AM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: Alex Marko

Yeah, right. This is why I just had to sue a Fresno gun dealer after he refused to give me a .22 after I had waited 10 days, and the DOJ "wasn't sure" if they'd let me buy one? In a state where you can only but one handgun a month? So the guy's a smuggler that hasn't been caught--so what?


14 posted on 07/18/2005 6:01:03 AM PDT by at bay
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To: Alex Marko

The "ban the guns" Democrats are cranking up the agitprop machine again. I guess they didn't learn anything from the last two elections.


15 posted on 07/18/2005 6:02:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Joe Brower; Jeff Head; Squantos; Mr. Mojo; Morgan's Raider

Bull Bump.


16 posted on 07/18/2005 6:03:04 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: Alex Marko
Sadly buying guns from a licensed dealer is always a big deal.
17 posted on 07/18/2005 6:06:32 AM PDT by JABBERBONK
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To: All

Someone should tell this guy he could have saved a bundle. They can build him a copy for alot less in Pakistan. No need to buy it here. Probably cheaper to ship from there too.


18 posted on 07/18/2005 6:15:39 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Alex Marko

If our boarders were properly guarded, '60 Minutes' would have had no story. How did he become a citizen? Amnesty?


19 posted on 07/18/2005 6:17:18 AM PDT by Roccus (The collective has started.)
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To: Alex Marko

20 posted on 07/18/2005 6:35:07 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

LOL, now that is funny.


21 posted on 07/18/2005 6:37:40 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
He was willing to talk to 60 Minutes, because now he thinks what he did was much too easy.

Sorry, typo there.

60 minutes was willing to talk to him, because now he thinks what he did was much too easy.

Ok, fixed.

22 posted on 07/18/2005 6:56:56 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Alex Marko
Image hosted by Photobucket.com By far, the weapon of choice was a .50-caliber rifle," says Krasniqi. "You could kill a man from over a mile away. You can dismantle a vehicle from a mile away.

i guess that's why the papers are full of stories about people and helicopters and vehicles being "Dismantled" by the Planet Killer .50cal from a mile away then... right???

23 posted on 07/18/2005 7:00:29 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
They show a story about the 50 cal every three months or so.... guess they will not give up until it is banned.

Politicians and rich liberals hate the .50 BMG more than any other gun, because they know it can penetrate an armored limousine.

-ccm

24 posted on 07/18/2005 7:17:46 AM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: Alex Marko

OK. Why would these idiots come HERE to buy guns when they could have gotten the Hungarian GEPARD M-1 that shoots the even MORE powerful 12.7x107mm Russian? At only $3k, the GEPARD M-1 is a deal. Especially once you figure in airfare. They could have even stepped up to the M-5 semi-auto.


25 posted on 07/18/2005 7:22:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Alex Marko

Better get one while you can.


27 posted on 07/18/2005 7:34:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: Alex Marko

I hear Walmart is stocking .50 cal AP and explosive-tipped rounds now. In the childrens department, right next to the grenades and missile launchers.

What a bunch of (See)BS. Brought to you by the Forged Documents network.


28 posted on 07/18/2005 7:57:23 AM PDT by jrp
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To: R. Scott
For later.

L

29 posted on 07/18/2005 8:01:58 AM PDT by Lurker (" Many are already stating that the decision in Kelo renders the contract null and void.")
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To: Alex Marko

"even bring down an airplane"


Christ, not this horsesh!t again.


30 posted on 07/18/2005 8:03:11 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Alex Marko
Ho hum - one more anti-gun piece by the lamestream media.

If this soi dissant expert can shoot either a helicopter or a fixed wing aircraft out of the sky with a 25 to 35 pound .50 cal weapon, let him demonstrate his skills. Mouth is cheap, and he sounds like another wannabe Camp Perry champion so long as he is bellied up to the bar, instead of snuggled up to the stock of a .50 cal. rifle.

IMHO, if he has developed such skills, the United States army, navy, marines and the coast guard would all make him a very wealthy man IF he could teach such skills - assuming they existed.

To reliably accomplish a feat such as this article describes requires skills far beyond those of any recorded marksman. And to assume that a rag tag group of amateurs could produce any number of such marksmen is an active joke.

While a .50 cal. can be effective against soft targets, an IED is far more so. Ask any Jihadi-whacko.

To keep things clear, it is necessary to remind any lurking Liberal or gun grabber that such items of every day life as flour or propane (not to mention gasoline mixed with styrene & soap), and any number of items in the nearest food market, CAN MAKE EFFECTIVE BOMBS.

Peace is found in a society that wants peace and is willing to do what is necessary to create such a society. As man is a tool using organism, any tool can be used for either construction or destruction, according to the wishes of the man wielding that tool.

Eastern Europe's problem isn't what is in the hands of its people, the problem is what is in their heads - which is all too often murder and/or genocide.
31 posted on 07/18/2005 8:49:59 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Even an airplain at 14,000+ feet moving at around 500 mph.

You don't even have to aim. The bullet is that big!


32 posted on 07/18/2005 9:33:54 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Dead Corpse; SLB
Dead on as usual......This SeeBS story is just more chickenlittle chickensh*t to further a seditious agenda. Trouble is......they can't relate with validity one crime committed with a 50BMG in this country to the best of my knowledge.

If this idiot they have on the show is claiming he took weapons to UBL then why is he not married to some islamakazi MoFo in Gitmo ? Why is SeeBS collaborating with the enemy for ratings ? There are crimes in this story and it's presentation but none of them involve the 50BMG

Lat time I tried to purchase 4 firearms at once a flare went up that is still illuminating my sorry ass at the BatFAg's secret cavern control center......and they claim one goat abuser comes into the country on a whim and buys 2 dozen 50's and ships em back to UBL ?

Buuuuuuullllllsssssshhhhhocky !!

33 posted on 07/18/2005 10:23:49 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

CBS and 60 Minutes. "Repeating the Big Lie" would be a more appropriate tagline for them.


34 posted on 07/18/2005 11:27:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Alex Marko

A good example of how the "War On Terror" will be brought around against the American people.


35 posted on 07/18/2005 1:32:16 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: newgeezer
"Krasniqi came to America in 1989. He was smuggled across the Mexican border in the trunk of a car with just $50 in his pocket. Today, he’s an American citizen, and the owner of a highly successful roofing business."
More proof that illegal aliens should not be give amnesty.
36 posted on 07/18/2005 1:40:46 PM PDT by WWTraveler
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To: Dead Corpse; Eaker; Squantos; Jeff Head; Morgan's Raider; Lion Den Dan; pocat; ...
The really sad part of the whole thing is that 99.9% of the population who watched this cockeyed story believe it. Ye gads the American public is so gullible. We are the ones who write to congressmen, who keep in touch with reality as it exists, but they sit at home in blissful ignorance and when something like this comes along they are totally duped by it. A sorry commentary for John Q. Public.
37 posted on 07/18/2005 7:16:50 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB

Yep they think nowdays that "Liberty" is just something ya take with a neighbors wife , daughter or property......


38 posted on 07/18/2005 7:23:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Alex Marko
I like to shoot down satellites with mine. From the hip, of course.

The term "weapon of choice" has now become so degraded that its mere presence is a strong indication that the author is blowing smoke. If this form of firearm is al Qaeda's "weapon of choice" then why haven't any of its members chosen to use it?

39 posted on 07/18/2005 7:24:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Alex Marko; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...

Odd, there's not a single word about this guys extensive campaigning for John F. Kerry.


40 posted on 07/19/2005 2:09:24 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib
We should NEVER have let this illegal immigrant and terrorist operative become a US citizen!!!!!

For all of us Second Amendment supporters, the Kosovo Serbs HAD the right to keep and bear arms, until the UN and NATO took their guns away after the illegitimate KLA/UN/NATO takeover of Serbian Kosovo!!!! Kosovo needs ARMED Serbs, plus the Serbian army and police, to take care of the terrorist problem!!! Ditto for Macedonia!

41 posted on 07/19/2005 2:22:03 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Alex Marko
"You just have to have a credit card and clear record, and you can go buy as many as you want. No questions asked," says Krasniqi.

Was he surprised at how easy it was to get it? "Not just me. Most of non-Americans were surprised at how easy it is to get a gun in heartland America," says Krasniqi. "Most of the dealers in Montana and Wyoming don’t even ask you a question. It’s just like a grocery store."

Krasniqi just documented himself committing a felony. Dealers most definitely do ask questions. They ask them via the form 4473. The first one is the most important to this story: "Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?" He was not. He was the strawman purchaser. That is a felony.

42 posted on 07/19/2005 9:00:08 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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