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Big Night In (Bushes Set the Table for a Rare Treat; Official Banquet for India PM Manmohan Singh)
washingtonpost.com ^ | Monday, July 18, 2005 | Roxanne Roberts

Posted on 07/18/2005 8:36:53 AM PDT by indcons

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To: toothfairy86

He happens to be a clean shaven sikh.


21 posted on 07/18/2005 10:19:44 AM PDT by Ravi
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To: Ravi

There was a Sikh physician around here whose family was the frequent target of hate crimes, because people thought they were Muslims. The KKK even burned a cross on their yard. (But I'm sure the KKK would've done that regardless.) They finally moved away from the area. It's a shame. He was a wonderful physician.


22 posted on 07/18/2005 11:27:38 AM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: toothfairy86

That is a shame.


23 posted on 07/18/2005 11:33:22 AM PDT by Ravi
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To: indcons

Thanks!


24 posted on 07/18/2005 12:13:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: toothfairy86

The turban isn't determinative of whether you are Sikh. Lots of Sikhs don't wear turbans. And lots of other groups wear turbans. But if your name is Singh -- you're a Sikh.

Somebody upthread wrote that the Sikh religion was a branch of Hinduism. Actually, that is only partially true. Sikhism is a syncretistic religion, combining elements of Bhakti Hinduism and the Sufi branch of Islam. There was also something upthread about the supreme insult for a Sikh being mistaken for a Muslim. Actually, Sikhs would prefer not being mistaken for either Muslims or Hindus. There is a long standing thread of enmity between Sikhs and Hindus. (Hindus destroyed the Golden Temple of Amritsar, the holiest shrine of Sikhism back in the 80's.) The fact that a Sikh is the PM of India is a a good sign -- maybe an indication that some of the worst of the "communal" violence between the various Indian groups is over.


25 posted on 07/18/2005 12:56:22 PM PDT by EdJay
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To: toothfairy86
Snake Surprise!


26 posted on 07/18/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: EdJay; Cronos; Gengis Khan

"There is a long standing thread of enmity between Sikhs and Hindus. (Hindus destroyed the Golden Temple of Amritsar, the holiest shrine of Sikhism back in the 80's.) "
Hindus did no such thing. Pl dont spread false ideas.


27 posted on 07/18/2005 6:10:49 PM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: EdJay
You're right about Sikhs hating to be grouped with Hindus, but that doesn't mean they hate Hindus. Quite the contrary. Given their numbers in the Indian Army, if they wanted, they could give a good chance for secession from the Indian Union and India could be left unable to do much. But this won't happen.

Sikhs are more closer to Hinduism than they'd want to think, while at the same time Sikhs are more distinct from Hinduism than the Hindus would love to assume.


About the Golden Temple incident, it was a sad thing to have happened. But there's not much you can do when you have die-hard, heavily armed, Pakistan-trained terrorists holed up within the temple (this guy's men had killed and terrorised more Sikhs than Hindus).

A large number of Sikhs (including especially, the current Indian Prime Minister) are ones who fled Islamic butchering in Pakistan, hand-in-hand with their Hindu neighbours. They know their enemy well. And their friends better. They have their founding religionists decreeing that Hindus and Sikhs must always live and fight together. Separatism is no more in Punjab.


28 posted on 07/18/2005 6:16:05 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Ravi

I have had this question for some time. Why are most Sikhs named Singh which I understand means lion? And how are they distinguished from one another if their names are all the same?


29 posted on 07/18/2005 6:19:33 PM PDT by dervish (freedom is a long distance race)
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To: dervish

IIRC,the man who founded Sikhism,Guru Nanak wanted a religion free from all impurities of caste & in North India,it's still a practise among Hindus to have their caste name as their last name(Yadav,Rajput etc).The use of a word like Singh eliminates that & also reflects the independent & warrior nature of Sikhs(embodied by the lion).Quiet a few Sikhs use their village name or extended family name along with their original names as a matter of distinction.


30 posted on 07/18/2005 9:47:10 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for the info.

I am aware that Sikhs are considered good warriors and many are in the army and act as palace guards.

I believe some observe the religious custom of not cutting their hair. So they wear a turban.


31 posted on 07/18/2005 10:31:19 PM PDT by dervish (freedom is a long distance race)
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To: EdJay

" But if your name is Singh -- you're a Sikh."

Wrong. Although all Sikhs are Singh, not all Singh are Sikhs. It has nothing to do with Sikhism. Sikhs just adopted it to get rid of their original caste last name.

Singh has ALWAYS been Rajput! Not Sikh. My last name is Singh and I am not a Sikh. Most Pahari Rajputs are Singh.


32 posted on 07/18/2005 11:14:38 PM PDT by sagar (Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first_ Chanakya, 4th c. BC)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

"IIRC,the man who founded Sikhism,Guru Nanak wanted a religion free from all impurities of caste & in North India,it's still a practise among Hindus to have their caste name as their last name(Yadav,Rajput etc).The use of a word like Singh eliminates that & also reflects the independent & warrior nature of Sikhs(embodied by the lion)."

No. Singh does NOT eliminate caste. In fact, its very meaning is rooted in caste. Especially the warrior caste. Singh denotes warrior caste and was in use long before Sikhism was born. Since most Sikhs were converts from the warrior caste, they used Singh. And all Sikhs, regardless of their caste, started using Singh.

It is spreading misinformation to say Singh came out of nowhere. It was used by Rajputs long before Sikhism.


33 posted on 07/18/2005 11:28:16 PM PDT by sagar (Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first_ Chanakya, 4th c. BC)
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To: Ravi

"generally if you wear a turban, you're a sikh."

No. Generally if you wear a turban, it means you are from a warrior class of North India. It happened that Sikhs wear turban religiously and are associated with it. But the fact is that Rajputs wore turban long before Sikhism.

My point is that you can't use dress as features of a religious community. Look at Rajputs from Rajasthan. They all wear turban and none of them are Sikhs.


34 posted on 07/18/2005 11:31:35 PM PDT by sagar (Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first_ Chanakya, 4th c. BC)
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To: sagar

Nobody said it eliminates caste,but asking your followers to use the same name means that their castes lose weightage.


35 posted on 07/18/2005 11:32:59 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yes, that was the intention. But, the name "Singh" itself is as much castiest as "Yadav" or "Gopal". All denote caste character and/or occupations.


36 posted on 07/18/2005 11:40:37 PM PDT by sagar (Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first_ Chanakya, 4th c. BC)
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To: toothfairy86
Thought you might be interested in the menu for last night's dinner at the WH. The article can be found at http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/19menu.htm:

Dinner itself is a gourmet affair, starting off with chilled asparagus soup and lemon crème, to be accompanied with a Chappellet Chardonnay 'Napa Valley' 2003. The entrée will have a vegetarian and non-vegetarian selection: Pan-roasted Halibut, Ginger-Carrot Butter, Basmati Rice with Pistachios and Currants, Herbed Summer Vegetables, Trio of Celery Hearts, Leaves and Roots. All of this will be washed down with a Hartford Court Pinot Noir 'Arrendell' 2002. This will be followed by a salad of Bibb lettuces with citrus vinaigrette, while lotus blossom, mango, chocolate-cardamom and cashew ice creams will bring up the dessert, along with a Mer Soleil 'Late' 2001. Bon appetit! Music is being provided by the Preservation Hall Jazz Band
37 posted on 07/19/2005 11:42:33 AM PDT by indcons (Koran - The World's First WMD)
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I heard the other day that curry/turmeric prevents and destroys cancer cells.

Curry (Kerry?) makes you stink.

38 posted on 07/19/2005 11:46:39 AM PDT by bankwalker (You get what you believe.)
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To: indcons

Love the menu!!!


39 posted on 07/19/2005 11:55:11 AM PDT by dennisw (WON)
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40 posted on 07/19/2005 12:15:43 PM PDT by indcons (Koran - The World's First WMD)
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