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Dead Boys Alive in Trunk for 17 Hours
FOXNews.com ^ | 7/19/2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:10 AM PDT by AbeKrieger

CAMDEN, N.J. — Three boys who suffocated in a car trunk last month were alive for at least 17 hours, slowly succumbing while police searched their neighborhood, a lawyer for the family of one of the boys says. Lawyer Peter M. Villari told The New York Times that officials of the Camden County prosecutor's office went over details of an autopsy report with him, the newspaper reported Tuesday. The boys, ages 5, 6 and 11, disappeared from the yard where they were playing a little after 5 p.m. on June 22. Their deaths were ruled accidental. Relatives searched for the boys for three hours and then called authorities. A two-day search that included dogs, helicopters and boats on the nearby Delaware River ended when the father of one of the boys found them dead in the trunk of an inoperable car sitting just feet from where they had been playing. The autopsy report, which has not been released publicly, found that the boys died between 10:30 a.m. on June 23 and 2:30 a.m. on June 24, Villari said. That estimate was based on fluid and tissue samples and weather data, he said. Villari told the newspaper that responsibility for the deaths is now "squarely on the shoulders of the police." "I think the numbers speak for themselves," he said. "They were certainly alive when the police arrived and certainly well after the search started." Villari did no immediately return a call seeking additional comment Tuesday. The prosecutors' office had no immediate comment.

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Villari told the newspaper that responsibility for the deaths is now "squarely on the shoulders of the police."

So the police are responsible for the behavior of these children and the lack of responsibility of the parents. This is a tragedy, not a crime, but I guess in Camden, someone's done gots to get paid.

1 posted on 07/19/2005 9:34:11 AM PDT by AbeKrieger
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To: AbeKrieger

Uh, since the police searched the car while the boys were alive in the trunk.

And the police missed them.

Don't you think they bear some responsibility?


2 posted on 07/19/2005 9:37:33 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

My thoughts exactly. Where the hell were the parents? Why wasn't the lock on the trunk of the inoperable car removed? Where were the parents? What were they thinking?


3 posted on 07/19/2005 9:37:42 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: linkinpunk

There was a three hour search before the police were called. Why weren't the kids found?


4 posted on 07/19/2005 9:38:36 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: linkinpunk
Don't you think they bear some responsibility?

No, I do not think they do, and certainly no criminal or financial responsibility. This community always tries to blame the police for their shortcomings. This entire incident belongs squarely on the shoulders of poor (if existent at all) parenting. The person who left the trunk open or otherwise accessible to children - their fault 100%.

5 posted on 07/19/2005 9:42:02 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: AbeKrieger
I agree.....parents are responsible

1. Had the kids played in this trunk before? I am sure they had..the car looked like it had been there awhile

2. I read somewhere that the 11 year old was mentally handicapped...why wasn't a parent outside with him and the young ones on the porch keeping and ear out?
6 posted on 07/19/2005 9:42:29 AM PDT by PaulaB
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To: AbeKrieger

How tragic, the police really should have looked in that car.. But missing something in a seach does not make them responable for not supervising the kids, and to be fair how many of us have our eyes on an 11 year old all the time?


7 posted on 07/19/2005 9:43:10 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: AbeKrieger
I still have questions about how these kids could have gotten into the trunk of that car? Is the owner of the car somehow liable? Shouldn't someone have towed the inoperable car?

And why didn't anyone hear the boys inside?

8 posted on 07/19/2005 9:43:19 AM PDT by RushCrush (Hubba hubba hubba, Dooba Dooba Dooba!)
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To: Sunshine Sister

I don't know the year model of the car but did it have an inside trunk release handle? One of those boys was 11 and I've seen some very resourceful 11 year olds, something doesn't seem plausible. How 'bout kicking the back seat in, at least to get a little more air? An 11 year old can cause lots of damage to some of those panels, make lots of noise too. Many unanswered questions.


9 posted on 07/19/2005 9:44:17 AM PDT by brushcop (We lift up Pvt. Johnny Chrzenowski in prayer, recovering from burns received in an RPG ambush, Iraq.)
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To: AbeKrieger

"...the father of one of the boys found them dead in the trunk of an inoperable car sitting just feet from where they had been playing."


Surely everyone (including the police) were within a few feet of this car...especially during the start of the searching. Were these kids not kicking and screaming inside the trunk, off and on, for at least two or three hours? I would think the average 3-4 year old (and these kids were a little older, weren't they?) would be making a heck of a racket to get out!


10 posted on 07/19/2005 9:44:17 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: linkinpunk
Whereas the Police may want to review their search policy, the fault lies with whoever didn't make SURE that children could not lock themselves in the trunk.

A horrible tragedy, and I can't imagine what the parents must be going through. However, that the first reaction to this horror is to sue the police...

Two words: Litigation Lottery.
11 posted on 07/19/2005 9:45:27 AM PDT by thoolou (Politics--The last refuge of the nincompoop. - Berke Breathed)
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To: AbeKrieger

The police bear A LOT of responsibility for this negligence.

And they WILL pay.


12 posted on 07/19/2005 9:46:36 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Maria S

The police were not called until 3 hours after the boys went missing.


13 posted on 07/19/2005 9:46:36 AM PDT by cjshapi
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To: brushcop

What about the stories of the plastic bag over one kids head and the cement bag over them. I just dont se how they could search right there and the kids did not make nay noise.


14 posted on 07/19/2005 9:47:39 AM PDT by winodog (We need to pull the fedgov.con's feeding tube)
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To: AbeKrieger; linkinpunk
I wouldn't say it was squarely on the shoulders of the police, but they did manage to search the car without checking the trunk.  Hey, let's keep in mind these aren't cops, they're CAMDEN cops.  The absolute worst of the worst.  Guys who could never get a job anywhere else in the state end up in Camden.  Being a Bridge Cop would be better than being a Camden cop.
 
That being said, since the parents are on record as saying the kids had played/hid in the trunk before, how much intelligence would it take for you to think of checking there yourself?
 
A moron menagerie if there ever was one.
 
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

15 posted on 07/19/2005 9:48:08 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Maria S
Surely everyone (including the police) were within a few feet of this car...especially during the start of the searching. Were these kids not kicking and screaming inside the trunk, off and on, for at least two or three hours?

They might have passed out but still been alive.

16 posted on 07/19/2005 9:49:03 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: AbeKrieger
This is a tragedy, not a crime, but I guess in Camden, someone's done gots to get paid.

There is some question as to whether or not the police could have been more thorough in the initial search of the vehicle but I agree that the parents bear the responsibility for their children.

By the way, that's cute the way you put the parents in their place and at the same time made fun of the way some people in Camden talk. Give yourself two pats on the back. Nicely done.

17 posted on 07/19/2005 9:49:45 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: linkinpunk

No, the tax payers will "pay" is what you mean.


18 posted on 07/19/2005 9:51:20 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: AbeKrieger

It didn't occur to the idiot parents to check the trunk?
If the children were playing within feet of the car before they disappeared wouldn't that be one of the first places a normal person would look?
Trying to make a few bucks off this tragedy is what they're doing. People who don't take responsibility for their own stupidity make me sick!
My kids wouldn't be missing for three hours before I called for help!


19 posted on 07/19/2005 9:51:43 AM PDT by derllak
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To: AbeKrieger

"This is a tragedy,not a crime."I agree 100%.What am i missing here?Are car trunks soundproof?I assume someone must have at least taken a cursory look thru the vehicle.Openend doors,looked under the car,but no sounds from 3 boys supposedly still alive inside?That's odd.Of course there will be no shortage of plantiff's attorneys beating down the parent's doors.


20 posted on 07/19/2005 9:52:11 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: dirtboy
There were bad thunderstorms that night and they say that might have drowned out the calls for help. Still, I don't see how they didn't hear them. The rain didn't last that long. The trunk should have been searched right away.
21 posted on 07/19/2005 9:52:43 AM PDT by Cougar66 (The biggest trick the liberal media ever played was convincing the world it didn't exist)
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To: rollo tomasi

The insurance policy for the police department will pay.


22 posted on 07/19/2005 9:52:49 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: rollo tomasi

Cherry Hill, NJ (located in Camden County) will pay.


23 posted on 07/19/2005 9:53:21 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: linkinpunk
Don't you think they bear some responsibility?

Only if the parents also bear some responsibility since they also searched for three hours. This was a tragic accident ... the insertion of a lawyer only makes it more tragic.

24 posted on 07/19/2005 9:53:37 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: layman; All

I wonder if the parents will also sue the car manufacturer for not making a child-proof trunk.


25 posted on 07/19/2005 9:55:22 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: AbeKrieger

Was the immigration status of these folks ever confirmed?


26 posted on 07/19/2005 9:55:57 AM PDT by ikka
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To: linkinpunk
...insurance policy for the police department we will pay.
27 posted on 07/19/2005 9:56:05 AM PDT by RushCrush (Hubba hubba hubba, Dooba Dooba Dooba!)
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To: linkinpunk
Uh, since the police searched the car while the boys were alive in the trunk. And the police missed them. Don't you think they bear some responsibility?

Spoken like a true welfare queen.

28 posted on 07/19/2005 9:56:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If the police officer failed to check his rear-view mirror and backed over the three boys, and killed them, would you still claim that he bears no responsibility?


29 posted on 07/19/2005 9:58:22 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: linkinpunk
And the police missed them. Don't you think they bear some responsibility?

So I guess what we're saying is if police do not check every possible lead, or shred of evidence, or possible hiding place, or nook and cranny, and some unfollowed path turns out to be the correct one, then they should be held criminally or financially negligent? I've seen many comments on this story where the "parent" says the children played in the trunk. 1) Are you kidding me? 2) Was this EVER mentioned in the presence of police before the bodies were found? If the cops did not have ALL the information, how could they be responsible?

30 posted on 07/19/2005 9:59:15 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: AbeKrieger
Villari told the newspaper that responsibility for the deaths is now "squarely on the shoulders of the police."

Otherwise, the responsibility would rest on his clients: the parents.

31 posted on 07/19/2005 10:00:27 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: RushCrush

The police should pay, insurance policy or not.

If a Microsoft security guard screwed up like this, would you feel the same?

Or are you just against this as a taxpayer?


32 posted on 07/19/2005 10:00:31 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Sunshine Sister
what about the OWNER of the inoperable car? where is his liability for allowing a nuisance /potential liability exposure tempting the children to crawl into vehicle. Where is the Parents personal responsibility if they searched that area why didn't they too check the car ? Lawyers are such maggots
33 posted on 07/19/2005 10:01:00 AM PDT by newfrpr04
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To: linkinpunk

I'm against my insurance rates going up.


34 posted on 07/19/2005 10:01:30 AM PDT by RushCrush (Hubba hubba hubba, Dooba Dooba Dooba!)
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To: linkinpunk
If the police officer failed to check his rear-view mirror and backed over the three boys, and killed them, would you still claim that he bears no responsibility?

You sure you are coherent? How do you compare one to the other. Keep on rambling.

35 posted on 07/19/2005 10:01:47 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: linkinpunk
Perhaps. . .but why didn't the parents look there! They are the one's with the car on their property and much like a refrigerator in the back yard, best to look their first.

Parent share a huge blame on this.

And why didn't the dogs alert on the car?

Dogs are to blame as well.
36 posted on 07/19/2005 10:02:19 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: AbeKrieger

Oh sure blame the police because you are stupid. This sucks and has $$$$ written all over and under it - just a POS!!


37 posted on 07/19/2005 10:03:42 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: AbeKrieger
If the cops did not have ALL the information, how could they be responsible?

"Sargent Jones, go search the car."

"I looked in the windows and everything looks fine. Can I get a dough nut now?"

If you told one of your officers to search the car, wouldn't you expect him to include the trunk?

Or would you say, "Ah, well. Close enough."

38 posted on 07/19/2005 10:05:14 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

One example is negligence.

The other one is negligence.

(try some intelligence next time)


39 posted on 07/19/2005 10:06:40 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: AbeKrieger

"The person who left the trunk open or otherwise accessible to children...100% responsible."Good point.Who owned the vehicle?I recall from bus law that there's a law that applies to minors(esp young children)getting injured or killed due to a homeowners negligence.EX a pool w/out a fence or some barrier to deny access.Homeowner can be liable(civily and criminally)if a minor wanders into the pool and drowns.Wouldn't this apply as well?Cannot for the life of me remember the legal term.Any ideas?


40 posted on 07/19/2005 10:07:22 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: linkinpunk

I planted an insurance money tree in my back yard years ago.
I was not informed it required special tax-payer funded water to make it grow. Needless to say, it died.


41 posted on 07/19/2005 10:07:37 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: linkinpunk

Where is the money coming from that will pay for the increase of the insurance premiums?


42 posted on 07/19/2005 10:08:44 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: RushCrush

I feel really bad for you.

It must be almost as bad as having your child suffocate in the trunk of a hot car.

I'll put you on my prayer list.


43 posted on 07/19/2005 10:09:47 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Spoken like a true welfare queen.

Excuse me? That's an uncalled for cheap shot. If the police 'searched' the car but didn't even look in the trunk, it is a no brainer to conclude they didn't do a thorough job. Liability, schmiability... I don't give a hoot about the legalities of this tragedy, but no police officer should EVER claim they've perfomed a car search without opening the damn trunk!
44 posted on 07/19/2005 10:09:48 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: linkinpunk
A report from prosecutors on issues including why searchers never looked in the car trunk is due next week.

Tell you what, let's see what they say about WHY the trunk was not searched. I plan NOT to be surprised with the findings.

45 posted on 07/19/2005 10:10:01 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: Thombo2

Attractive Nuisance


46 posted on 07/19/2005 10:11:01 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: rollo tomasi

Depends.

How much is the insurance premium going up because of this one claim?


47 posted on 07/19/2005 10:11:07 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: Owl_Eagle
A moron menagerie if there ever was one.

There is something utterly grotesque about this case. I could swear I saw the mother on TV, after the boys were found dead in the trunk, smiling and laughing during an interview. She didn't look or seem in any way distraught.
48 posted on 07/19/2005 10:11:23 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Antoninus
Interesting. . .and if I was wearing a tin-foil hat I might think that perhaps SHE was involved somehow. . .
49 posted on 07/19/2005 10:12:21 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: linkinpunk

I have no idea what you are talking about.


50 posted on 07/19/2005 10:13:05 AM PDT by RushCrush (Hubba hubba hubba, Dooba Dooba Dooba!)
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