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Cargolux to negociate with Boeing for the procurement of next generation aircraft. (747 Advanced)
Cargolux.com ^ | July 20, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 07/21/2005 3:54:05 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative

Luxembourg, 20th July 2005. - The Board of Directors of Cargolux has authorized Management to enter into negotiations with Boeing for the procurement of a minimum of 10 Boeing B747 Advanced Freighters (ADV F) for delivery beginning as of 2009.

The Board decision is the culmination of a thorough and lengthy selection process. For some time, Cargolux had encouraged aircraft and engine manufacturers to build a new generation aircraft offering better economics and environmental protection.

More recently, Cargolux had launched an in-depth analysis of all factors relevant to the decision, leading to the selection of a successor aircraft to the B747-400F currently operated by the company. The B747-ADV freighter will combine state-of-the-art airframe and engine technology. Environmentally, this aircraft will meet all future noise limitations and assure lowest emissions and allow Cargolux to maintain its profitability in an environment marked by very high fuel prices.

Cargolux President and CEO Uli Ogiermann stated: "Management's recommendation to the Board is the result of a very thorough analysis during which we assessed which aircraft was best suited to our fleet renewal in the next decade. The fact that we enter into negotiations with the Boeing company is based purely on commercial considerations, supported by the environmental benefits the B747-ADV F offers."

Cargolux, based in Luxembourg, is Europe's largest all-cargo airline, operating a modern fleet of 13 freighters B747-400F on a worldwide network, covering 90 destinations, 57 of which are served on scheduled all-cargo flights. The company has more than 85 offices in over 50 countries and also offers an extensive trucking network to more than 50 destinations in Europe and the US as well as charter and aircraft maintenance services. Cargolux employs more than 1300 staff worldwide.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 747; 747advanced; airbus; boeing; cargolux
Looks like an announcement by Boeing announcing the 747 Advanced will happen in the next month or two.
1 posted on 07/21/2005 3:54:07 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 07/21/2005 3:56:16 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Am I stating the obvious when I say they should be buying the 380? Or, at least, Airbus thinks they should be?


3 posted on 07/21/2005 4:05:19 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Paleo Conservative
Yes... it sounds like it to me.
This could be the order that Boeing could be looking for to get ready to launch the 747 Advanced PAX and F versions.
But, I am still not clear on who will be the launch costumer.
I think, it will be either Cathay Airlines or British Airlines.
4 posted on 07/21/2005 4:09:40 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: leadpenny
Am I stating the obvious when I say they should be buying the 380?

Hehehe.

Am I right in speculating that "x" number of the 90 destinations to which Cargolux flies probably aren't willing to modify their runways and cargo terminals to accommodate the A380? If I'm right, Cargolux would lose "some" destinations by choosing the A380.

5 posted on 07/21/2005 4:15:06 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: leadpenny
Am I stating the obvious when I say they should be buying the 380? Or, at least, Airbus thinks they should be?

The A380 is not a good aircraft to carry oversized or dense freight. The floors especially the upper deck floor are not strong enough, and the A380 runs out of lift capacity long before it runs out of space. The 747 cargo version has a nose door allowing it to load oversized cargo for which freight airlines charge premium prices. The A380F will be more suited to carrying packages for UPS or FedEx than industrial cargoes that Cargolux and other freight lines carry. The A380F will have more range than the 747 Advanced freighter allowing nonstop freight service from the US to China, but most freight lines don't care if they need to make an extra stop. Freighers are designed with less range than the passenger variants of the same aircraft so they can haul more weight. They also tend to have stronger landing gear in order to land with more weight. Passenger planes carry more fuel and burn it off before landing so they are lighter by the time they land.

6 posted on 07/21/2005 4:21:28 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Gamecock
I have a friend who is an employee of a subcontractor to the Boeing folks in Crystal City, VA. He sent me an internal email the other day that showed the 380 ripping up the tarmac. It's not clear if it was being towed or taxiing. In either case the writer of the email was gloating over the possibility that there is a huge design flaw with the main landing gear.
7 posted on 07/21/2005 4:24:06 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Paleo Conservative

See my 7. The writer half joked that airports will have to build 50 acre turnaround ramps for the 380 unless they redesign the gear.


8 posted on 07/21/2005 4:26:39 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

I got a Freepmail about that a couple of days ago. Apparently Airbus wanted to save weight by not having all four landing gear assemblies steerable. I wonder how much expense correcting their landing gear problem will add to the development program?


9 posted on 07/21/2005 4:34:25 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

That's the one. The pics showed the tires ripped off the rims and supposedly there were damaged gear components.


10 posted on 07/21/2005 4:42:36 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Paleo Conservative

How are orders for the 787 stacking up against the A-380?


11 posted on 07/21/2005 4:56:07 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
I think the unsung hero of the Boeing line is the 737.

From the Boeing Website:

Orders through
July 12, 2005

717 737 747 767 777 787 Total
2005 Net Orders -14 336 5 0 25 87 439
Air Europa   3         3
Air France         9   9
Alaska Airlines   35         35
All Nippon Airways         2   2
Boeing Business Jet   3         3
China Cargo     2   2
Continental Airlines         5 5
COPA Airlines   5         5
Ethiopian Airlines         10 10
First Choice Airways           6 6
GE Capital Corporation   26       26
GOL Airlines   13         13
Guggenheim Aviation Partners     6       6
Icelandair   15       2 17
ILFC   20     8   28
Japan Airlines   30       30 60
Korean Air     1     10 11
Nippon Cargo Airlines     1       1
Northwest Airlines           18 18
Ryanair   75         75
Singapore Aircraft Leasing   20         20
SpiceJet   10         10
Unidentified   78   4 5 93
U.S. Air Force   3         3
2005 Gross Orders   336 10 4 24 87 461
Changes -14   -5 -4 1   -22
2005 Net Orders -14 336 5 0 25 87 439
  717 737 747 767 777 787 Total

This chart includes both gross and net total orders for the current year. The net total includes order changes such as conversions or cancellations subtracted from the gross total orders (net year of cancel). This chart is updated weekly.

The totals displayed in the reporting database are 'net year of order' totals. The data for the reports is updated once a month.

Blue text in the chart above indicates updates for the current week.
For more information on the underlying data, see report notes.

12 posted on 07/21/2005 5:09:34 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Gamecock

The 737 platform has proven to be one of the more flexible airline designs around. They are still modding that thing, and coming out with another version soon that will carry even more passengers.


13 posted on 07/21/2005 6:37:32 AM PDT by Paradox (Its a good thing that even when you dismiss the existence of God, he doesn't dismiss you.)
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To: leadpenny
It's not clear if it was being towed or taxiing.

To be fair to the Frenchies, the mega-ton plane was being towed at a 90 degree angle by a tug to test tire and gear failure. Word is that it was actually a successful test.
14 posted on 07/21/2005 7:11:50 AM PDT by Daus (Invade Aruba!)
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for the update, but how does this compare to Airbus?

I am surprised to see Air France has ordered 9 Boeing 777's. Does the 777 have an obvious advantage over an Airbus long range model? Also, what advantage does the 777 have over the 787?
15 posted on 07/21/2005 7:21:28 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Paleo Conservative
In fact, I think Boeing could end up selling quite a lot of 747 Advanced freighters because 1) it can carry outsized cargo (which the A380-800F won't accommodate), 2) thanks to the use of GENx engines the plane could fly from Los Angeles to Shanghai on a full cargo load and be able to fly in and out of London-area airports 24 hours a day.

Besides Cargolux, I think Atlas Air, Nippon Cargo Airlines, and the air cargo divisions of Cathay Pacific Airways, Lufthansa, Northwest Airlines, and Singapore Airlines would love to buy the plane.

16 posted on 07/21/2005 7:22:49 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Paradox

When it first came out, a friend in the airline business referred to the 737 as a "stubby." It certainly doesn't look sawed off today.


17 posted on 07/21/2005 7:31:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Scratch a Liberal. Uncover a Fascist)
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To: GarySpFc

I have no idea. I looked at the Airbus site and they post total sales for each model, not year by year orders.


18 posted on 07/21/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
10 747's doesn't sound like much to us single Isle folks - but when you think about it that is nearly a years worth of airplanes.
19 posted on 07/21/2005 10:52:20 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Daus; Paleo Conservative

Interesting. I've erased the email and pics my friend had sent me but I believe he mentioned something about possible propaganda wars going on between Boeing and Airbus


20 posted on 07/21/2005 1:49:00 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
There are going to be a whole lot of terrible looking pictures coming out, like tail strikes, and other horrific looking events for the A380 which are the results of it's certification process.

Only some of them are unintentional. :)
21 posted on 07/21/2005 2:04:56 PM PDT by Daus (Invade Aruba!)
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