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Advice needed: Being harassed by census worker
07/21/2005 | Me

Posted on 07/21/2005 10:59:16 AM PDT by redbaiter

Two months ago a field agent from the US Census Bureau left a business card under my door, with a note requesting an interview for a survey the Bureau does on unemployment and income. The note explained the purpose of the survey and outlined the sorts of questions that would be asked (mostly income and work-related stuff). I called him back at the number provided, told him that my income was none of his business and requested that he not contact me any more.

This was not effective, and he continued to try to contact me. So I called him back again and ordered him to cease and desist. This too was ineffective, and he continues to try and contact me even now, two months later. (In the summer I am rarely home before 9PM so he has never succeeded.)

I asked around, and it turns out he has a pattern of similar behavior.

What can I do to make this guy cease and desist?


TOPICS: US: Delaware; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: census; chillout; chillpill; headcount; relaxfolks; takeiteasy
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1 posted on 07/21/2005 10:59:17 AM PDT by redbaiter
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To: redbaiter

Tell him you run Microsoft and are worth several billion dollars.


2 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:26 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: redbaiter
"What can I do to make this guy cease and desist?"

Just answer his questions with obvious lies.
3 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:31 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("I believe the children are the future" - Whitney Houston; "Fight the future" - X-files)
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To: redbaiter

Call the Census Bureau. Find out if the guy is legit, and tell them to stop him, or else.


4 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:35 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: redbaiter

Take it a notch higher in the chain of command.


5 posted on 07/21/2005 11:01:04 AM PDT by dmz
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To: redbaiter

< i wonder if he gets paid to constantly harass in this manner since he cant find people to talk with him???

If he is one an hourly salary can he bill for even failed wasted time?


6 posted on 07/21/2005 11:01:31 AM PDT by alisasny (We get 4 more years, you get OBAMA...: ))
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To: redbaiter
Answer all his questions with "I am Elmer J. Fudd, I own a mansion and a yacht"
7 posted on 07/21/2005 11:03:06 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: redbaiter

perhaps if several thousand FReepers called his office..... what was that number?


8 posted on 07/21/2005 11:03:43 AM PDT by gdc61
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To: redbaiter
Post the following sign on your front door:

NO SOLICITORS!!
TRESSPASSERS WILL BE SHOT
SURVIVORS WILL BE SHOT AGAIN

9 posted on 07/21/2005 11:03:48 AM PDT by SW6906
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To: Gator101

LOL


10 posted on 07/21/2005 11:04:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: redbaiter

umm, why not just answer his questions. The information you give is not stored with your name nor shared with the IRS. The purpose of gathering such info is for legitimate use. I am one that rarely gives out any personal info unless necessary but to a census worker I would not have a problem.


11 posted on 07/21/2005 11:04:15 AM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: redbaiter
Try some tricks from Christopher Walken's census sketch.

Census-Taker: No, it's not that ridiculous. Mr. Leonard, do you own or rent this apartment?

Mr. Leonard: Sure. You have to ask one of the other 79 people.

Census-Taker: You mean your wife?

Mr. Leonard: Yeah.

Census-Taker: Well, can I talk to her, then?

Mr. Leonard: She won't answer you. She's a bobcat.

Census-Taker: You got a bobcat in there?

12 posted on 07/21/2005 11:05:54 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: redbaiter

Are you sure he works for the census buro? Fed Investigators have been known to use that disguise to get info on people to later use against them. Be careful.


13 posted on 07/21/2005 11:06:31 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Moral Hazard

That's my suggestion too.


14 posted on 07/21/2005 11:06:58 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
The purpose of gathering such info is for legitimate use.

Not according to the Constitutional limitations prescribed for the census.

15 posted on 07/21/2005 11:09:09 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: redbaiter
Ever seen the movie "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"

Our three adventurers approach the Hogwallop estate and are greeted in the drive by young Hogwallop, who fires a rifle at them.


Young Hogwallop: Popa says I's supposed to shoot bankers and anyone with papers.

Delmar: Well, we ain't got no papers.

Young Hogwallop: Yesterday I nicked a census man!

Delmar: Now there's a good boy.


Scene makes me laugh every time.
16 posted on 07/21/2005 11:09:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: redbaiter

Take out an order of protection against them. Their behavior is very questionable.


17 posted on 07/21/2005 11:09:51 AM PDT by GreenOgre (mohammed is the false prophet of a false god.)
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To: redbaiter

"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti ffft ffft fftt"


18 posted on 07/21/2005 11:10:25 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
The purpose of gathering such info is for legitimate use.

The legitimate Constitutional purpose of the census is to apportion representatives. Therefore they need a count of people every ten years. Asking questions about "mostly income and work-related stuff" between the ten year count isn't a legitimate use.

19 posted on 07/21/2005 11:10:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: SW6906

Ooooooooooo I like that one.


20 posted on 07/21/2005 11:11:57 AM PDT by redbaiter
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To: GingisK

Tell him:

"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."


21 posted on 07/21/2005 11:12:07 AM PDT by Tyroblogger
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To: GingisK

My thought exactly.


22 posted on 07/21/2005 11:13:19 AM PDT by redbaiter
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To: redbaiter
Tell him your an illegal alien and he is violating the constitutional rights illegals aren't supposed to have. That will get rid of him for good.
23 posted on 07/21/2005 11:13:33 AM PDT by ghitma (Lifter)
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To: redbaiter
What can I do to make this guy cease and desist?

Nothing. He's authorized by Federal Law to continue to contact you, and he's doing his job as he's trained.

24 posted on 07/21/2005 11:14:30 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: redbaiter
You're pretty much S.O.L. on this one. This guy is going to keep hammering you until you give him an interview.

I had the same problem in 2000. The interviewer kept contacting me, leaving her business card etc. When I had her come over when I was home she had the standard battery of questions. Income, race, marital status, kids. I told her to look at me to determine race, and to look around my living room for evidence of female inhabitance or kids. For income I told her to go......herself, if they wanted my income to go to the IRS or Socialist Security for my reported AGI.

You're better off just giving them the five minutes and keep your answers on point and minimal. You're not going to win this one, Sorry.
25 posted on 07/21/2005 11:14:35 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: SW6906

Census workers are told to ignore no tresspassing signs and are specifically permitted to get to front doors to knock, leave a note, etc.


26 posted on 07/21/2005 11:15:37 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: redbaiter
My experience with those nice folks. Haven't heard from them in a while.
They just won't leave us alone
27 posted on 07/21/2005 11:16:20 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
umm, why not just answer his questions.

Because it's none of his damn business. Any other questions?

28 posted on 07/21/2005 11:16:26 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: gdc61
perhaps if several thousand FReepers called his office..... what was that number?

The overwhelming majority of census workers have no office at all; they're part-time workers that are given a laptop computer to go out and do interviews, and then at night they dial-up and transmit their info directly to headquaters. The guy's phone number is likely his home or cellphone number.

29 posted on 07/21/2005 11:17:07 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: redbaiter
What can I do to make this guy cease and desist?

As much as I'd like to suggest weaponry, I'd first suggest calling the office and asking for his Boss, or more appropriately, whoever runs that entire office. Demand to speak with him/her. Then lay it out for them. Also mention the name/number of a Congressman, for whom you'd made a donation last year...

30 posted on 07/21/2005 11:17:39 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: redbaiter

You could file a restraining order against him in family/civil court. Or you could attempt to contact his supervisor and ask them to tell the guy to leave you alone.


31 posted on 07/21/2005 11:18:03 AM PDT by Diplomat
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To: redbaiter
shoot his dog
poison his well
32 posted on 07/21/2005 11:18:13 AM PDT by AlBondigas
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To: GingisK

Ah, but consider the following:

The income tax is constitutional thanks to an amendment. (I've heard the "wasn't properly ratified" arguments, and I'm not convinced.)

Ronald Reagan signed a law to index the tax brackets to prevent bracket creep. If an income tax is constitutional, it logically follows that it is constitutional for the government to pass a law mandating the appropriate collection level.

To complete a constitutional function, it is reasonable to say that the government can take whatever reasonable steps are necessary to complete that function. The Constitution doesn't say that the government can buy army uniforms, for example, but it reasonable to say that the government can do this as part of the task of national defense.

In order to index the tax levels, we need to have a Consumer Price Index. In order to have a Consumer Price Index, we need to sample the population and figure out what they purchase so that we can apply appropriate weights to that index.

Guess who does that sampling? The Census Bureau. That's probably why the Census worker was knocking on doors.


33 posted on 07/21/2005 11:18:46 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: redbaiter

Just stop talking to him on the phone...if he calls don't answer the phone....IGNORE HIM...COMPLETELY...


34 posted on 07/21/2005 11:19:40 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: redbaiter

Ask them to hi-light the part of the Constitution that gives census workers the right to harass U.S. citizens with probing questions that are none of their business.


36 posted on 07/21/2005 11:20:25 AM PDT by all4one (www.missingkids.com)
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To: redbaiter
US Code, Title 13, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, Section 141, Paragraph (d):

(d) Without regard to subsections (a), (b), and (c) of this section, the Secretary, in the year 1985 and every 10 years thereafter, shall conduct a mid-decade census of population in such form and content as he may determine, including the use of sampling procedures and special surveys, taking into account the extent to which information to be obtained from such census will serve in lieu of information collected annually or less frequently in surveys or other statistical studies. The census shall be taken as of the first day of April of each such year, which date shall be known as the “mid-decade census date”.

US Code, Title 13, Chapter 7, Subchapter II, Section 221:

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.


37 posted on 07/21/2005 11:20:47 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Strategerist

That is extremely dangerous.........and highly questionable.


38 posted on 07/21/2005 11:21:18 AM PDT by Gabz ((Chincoteague, VA) USSG Warning: Portable sewing machines are known to cause broken ankles)
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To: redbaiter
Ever see the SNL skit on the census with Christopher Wakin and Tim Meadows?

If not, find it and then do that to the census worker.

39 posted on 07/21/2005 11:21:38 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Ouderkirk

Census takers looking for any thing other than a direct count are getting paid for "extra-constitutional" activities. I have NEVER answered any questions other than the number of people living in the house, even when they called me late at night. I told them exactly why I had non intention of cooperating. He went away. At best they are wasting tax dollars, at worst, well, I don't like my private business in the hands of any more bureaucrats than absolutely necessary. Besides, if we stop cooperating with the survey, it will be meaningless and maybe they will stop trying. The racial info is the worst. The gorvernment should not be counting us by race.

The husband of a friend is black........and albino. His race doesn't match his appearance. They had fun playing with a census worker once.


40 posted on 07/21/2005 11:21:43 AM PDT by tkas (Conservative mom)
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To: redbaiter
Had one bugging me also,told her after the third time she showed up telling me it's requiredd by law I answer,I said "no it's not,only a head count is required,but I'll answer to get you the hell away from me."

I then proceeded to lie on every answer,she knew it too. Her face went from pale to crimson.

When she left,I said,"Have a nice day.";)

41 posted on 07/21/2005 11:21:47 AM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Athanasius_ROCKS

Yeah, if you don't want to cooperate, it's not helpful to contact them specifically to tell them you don't want to cooperate.

Best move is simply to ignore the notes if you don't want to cooperate.

And the census worker isn't taking "revenge"...I didn't know that notes left in a door were "revenge"...he's just doing his job. It's a bit odd the case hasn't been reassigned to a new field rep...who would then continue to leave notes on the door, though.


42 posted on 07/21/2005 11:22:32 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: mdittmar

LOL!!!


43 posted on 07/21/2005 11:22:34 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: redbaiter

When the last census came around with a bunch of questions about home ownership and crap like that I told the census worker that I would only answer them if it meant that there would be a new property qualification for voting. They left me alone.


44 posted on 07/21/2005 11:23:34 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Ouderkirk; redbaiter
Ouderkirk is correct. While I have some sympathy for the arguments posted above regarding the theoretical constitutionality of the Census Bureau's tactics and mission creep, the reality is that they have the legal right to keep bothering you from now until the end of time if you don't cough up the info they seek.

I do agree with those above who said you should make 100% sure this guy is truly with the Census Bureau before answering his questions. And as has already been noted, how are they going to know if you lie in your responses? If they already had the information, they wouldn't have to be asking you for it in the first place. Just BS the guy and get him off your back. It's not a battle worth fighting.

45 posted on 07/21/2005 11:23:47 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (John Bolton for White House Press Secretary!)
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To: tkas

The overwhelming majority of government actions and activities aren't specifically mentioned in the Constitution or banned by the Constitution; they're authorized by votes of Congress, including the many and varied Census activities other than the 10-year counts, thus all are legal.


46 posted on 07/21/2005 11:25:03 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: All

You can refuse to answer questions. Just leave a note on your door for them telling them to leave you alone.


47 posted on 07/21/2005 11:25:36 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: redbaiter

Next time he contacts you, ask for the name and number of the director of his department. Tell him if he doesn't give it to you, you will go to the press and detail the harrassment you've been experiencing.


48 posted on 07/21/2005 11:26:07 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

The press isn't exactly going to fall all over itself to break the stunning "Census worker leaves NOTES ON MY DOOR!" harassment story.


49 posted on 07/21/2005 11:27:21 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: shield
Just stop talking to him on the phone...if he calls don't answer the phone....IGNORE HIM...COMPLETELY

My thoughts exactly.

50 posted on 07/21/2005 11:28:17 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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